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[Nova]

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The true story of Black Hawk Down was made into a movie.
Black Hawk Down is A LOT MORE THAN A MOVIE.

NO, I mean the American guy's pic. Need a link?

You seem to be belittleing what I say and where I get my info.
If you need links to what I say, I will be glad to provide them.

Like what I say or not, I normally do not make statements about things I don't research.

You brought up never wanting to see a dead American's body plastered all over. I simply let you know it's been done before and provided an example.
He was dragged, beaten by citizens, and a lot more HORRIBLE THINGS.

It happened in Mogadishu in 1993.

But you're not suggesting we take Somali warlords and thugs as our role models, are you? (I'm not being sarcastic. I really can't imagine that you would argue we should do as they do.)

 

[LinasK]

It's a joke I received in my email.

Surly you don't think this OBL's personal FB page and that the US Navy Seals pushed the "like" button.

:waitasec:

Besides that, I caught on quickly that it was a joke because there was no Internet service to his compound...

 

[Nova]

Good luck reaching that goal.

It took Christianity quite literally millions of deaths to give up trying to kill all the infidels. So, no, it won't be easy to change Islam. But if withholding a photo helps a little, why not try it?

But while we're on the subject, what do you want us to do? Exterminate 1 billion Muslims? How would you start such a project? (HINT: over half of all Arabic names start with the letter "a". So maybe you don't want to line them up alphabetically.)

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Please don't feel belittled, I simply don't agree with you. I understand the picture was of an American, taken by a Canadian. Anyhow, I don't want to link to it, but if you have it perhaps others might. jmo

No you still have it wrong.
It was a picture of an Army soldier killed and dragged down the street. He was kicked, punched, spit on by the citizens.

It's not a matter of agreeing or not.

It's fact!

You said you are glad you don't go to sites I go to or something. Implying I go looking for pictures of dead bodies.

This was all over the news in 1993. It was the year after I graduated high school. I didn't go anywhere to see it. It was everywhere.

I'm not asking you if you want a link to the picture! I was asking if you wanted a link to NEWS stories about the ordeal since you seemed to not know what I was talking about. You asked if I was talking about a movie.

It's part of our history.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

But you're not suggesting we take Somali warlords and thugs as our role models, are you? (I'm not being sarcastic. I really can't imagine that you would argue we should do as they do.)

No I'm not. I was answering a question.

She said we did not want to set a precident. I simply told her that we would not be the one who set it. It's been done to a US soldier before.

She did not know about it. I was informing her.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Besides that, I caught on quickly that it was a joke because there was no Internet service to his compound...

Right, or that he would even have a personal FB page. The thought of that is crazy in itself.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It took Christianity quite literally millions of deaths to give up trying to kill all the infidels. So, no, it won't be easy to change Islam. But if withholding a photo helps a little, why not try it?

But while we're on the subject, what do you want us to do? Exterminate 1 billion Muslims? How would you start such a project? (HINT: over half of all Arabic names start with the letter "a". So maybe you don't want to line them up alphabetically.)

As ususal Nova, twist and add-twist and add.

 

[Quiche]

No you still have it wrong.
It was a picture of an Army soldier killed and dragged down the street. He was kicked, punched, spit on by the citizens.

It's not a matter of agreeing or not.

It's fact!

You said you are glad you don't go to sites I go to or something. Implying I go looking for pictures of dead bodies.

This was all over the news in 1993. It was the year after I graduated high school. I didn't go anywhere to see it. It was everywhere.

I'm not asking you if you want a link to the picture! I was asking if you wanted a link to NEWS stories about the ordeal since you seemed to not know what I was talking about. You asked if I was talking about a movie.

It's part of our history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson_(journalist)


eat: This is the Canadian I was referencing, fwiw.

 

[Nova]

I think this is a simple misunderstanding, Kimberly. I'm sure Quiche knows "Black Hawk Down" was based on a real event. In the haste of posting and since we were talking about pictures, she just wasn't sure whether you were referring to real life or the film.

More important is the question: do you think we should use that incident as our model?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I think this is a simple misunderstanding, Kimberly. I'm sure Quiche knows "Black Hawk Down" was based on a real event. In the haste of posting and since we were talking about pictures, she just wasn't sure whether you were referring to real life or the film.

More important is the question: do you think we should use that incident as our model?

I'm not so sure of the first paragraph.

As for the second, I've ALREADY answered it.

 

[Nova]

As ususal Nova, twist and add-twist and add.

I don't know what that means, but my question was serious. With all the complaints (most of them not from you, of course) about "catering" to Muslims, my question is what should we do instead?

When any of us suggest we try to find a middle ground on which to meet, we are informed that is impossible, that all or nearly all Muslims are hopeless, bloodthirsty Islamofascists.

So what is the solution? Do we kill them all? How?

If there's another solution, I'll be happy to hear it. I am just as opposed to Muslim terrorism as anyone else.

(Just in case it isn't clear, there's no twist here, no trick. I am seriously asking.)

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't know what that means, but my question was serious. With all the complaints (most of them not from you, of course) about "catering" to Muslims, my question is what should we do instead?

When any of us suggest we try to find a middle ground on which to meet, we are informed that is impossible, that all or nearly all Muslims are hopeless, bloodthirsty Islamofascists.

So what is the solution? Do we kill them all? How?

If there's another solution, I'll be happy to hear it. I am just as opposed to Muslim terrorism as anyone else.

(Just in case it isn't clear, there's no twist here, no trick. I am seriously asking.)

I say we handle our business and if they don't like it, TOUGH! I could give a rat's arse if they are offended by what we do. Hope that's clear.

As far as the rest of your question, I find it crazy. I've never came close to implying I think we should kill them all.

 

[Kat]

I think this is a simple misunderstanding, Kimberly. I'm sure Quiche knows "Black Hawk Down" was based on a real event. In the haste of posting and since we were talking about pictures, she just wasn't sure whether you were referring to real life or the film.

More important is the question: do you think we should use that incident as our model?

I just popped on and haven't followed the current discussion yet. I will go back. But I wanted to say that you pointed out a very distinct and important point, Nova. TY. The film isn't completely true to the actual event and is based on a book written by Mark Bowden (I'm looking at a copy in our bookshelf right now that's how I remember who he is LOL) but the narrative of the book is influenced by Bowden's personal beliefs as are a great deal of novels and non-fiction books.

Okay back to reading~ sorry just wanted to throw that in there

ETA: clean up my grammar and I am still probably off

 

[Nova]

I'm not so sure of the first paragraph.

As for the second, I've ALREADY answered it.

I SWEAR I am not playing games with you or even trying start an argument.

In your last post, with regard to the Somali photos, you wrote, "It's not a matter of agreeing or not!"

Is that the answer you mean?

Because I accept your point that there is precedent (and from a Canadian, not a Muslim extremist) for exhibiting photos of a dead American soldier. (And we know that Muslim terrorists have done the same thing with soldiers and civilians.)

I assume you don't think that is appropriate, but do you think it justifies broadcasting photos of bin Laden's corpse?

 

[stilettos]

I don't really have a problem one way or the other.

But if otherwise moderate Muslims would take offense, let's don't show the pictures. Give peace a chance.

I am all for peace...however, their religion does not allow for peace with infidels. I understand the peaceful approach..it just does not work.

 

[tehcloser]

Well I looked at the pictures of the dead terrorists. I don't feel any better. I don't feel any joy, only sadness. Sadness that 911 ever happened and sadness that this is the world we live in.

 

[Nova]

I say we handle our business and if they don't like it, TOUGH! I could give a rat's arse if they are offended by what we do. Hope that's clear.

As far as the rest of your question, I find it crazy. I've never came close to implying I think we should kill them all.

I know you didn't, Kimberly. I mentioned that as the obvious (and utterly impractical) extreme, not because I think you advocate it.

So what is the answer instead? Simply ignoring the region (except when we needed oil) gave us 9/11. What do we do to try to prevent future attacks? Are airport searches our only option?

(You may not believe this, Kimberly, but I happen to know you are very smart and I am genuinely interested in what you think. That I argue with you vehemently at times is, I promise, a sure sign of respect. But this isn't an argument. I'm just curious what you think.)

 

[Quiche]

I am all for peace...however, their religion does not allow for peace with infidels. I understand the peaceful approach..it just does not work.

Well, give them a few hundred years-- that's how long it took my faith system. jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I just popped on and haven't followed the current discussion yet. I will go back. But I wanted to say that you pointed out a very distinct and important point, Nova. TY. The film isn't completely true to the actual event and is based on a book written by Mark Bowden (I'm looking at a copy in our bookshelf right now that's how I remember who he is LOL) but the narrative of the book is influenced by Bowden's personal beliefs as are a great deal of novels and non-fiction books.

Okay back to reading~ sorry just wanted to throw that in there

ETA: clean up my grammar and I am still probably off

That is correct! That's why I was not talking about the movie.
It is a real part of our history. It was a horrible event.

Those who have not read about it should. IMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I SWEAR I am not playing games with you or even trying start an argument.

In your last post, with regard to the Somali photos, you wrote, "It's not a matter of agreeing or not!"

Is that the answer you mean?

Because I accept your point that there is precedent (and from a Canadian, not a Muslim extremist) for exhibiting photos of a dead American soldier. (And we know that Muslim terrorists have done the same thing with soldiers and civilians.)

I assume you don't think that is appropriate, but do you think it justifies broadcasting photos of bin Laden's corpse?

Please go back and read my posts Nova.

If you have the same questions, I'll answer them again.