UPDATE- Bin Laden is Dead-President spoke

[Concerned Papa]

I SWEAR I am not playing games with you or even trying start an argument.

In your last post, with regard to the Somali photos, you wrote, "It's not a matter of agreeing or not!"

Is that the answer you mean?

Because I accept your point that there is precedent (and from a Canadian, not a Muslim extremist) for exhibiting photos of a dead American soldier. (And we know that Muslim terrorists have done the same thing with soldiers and civilians.)

I assume you don't think that is appropriate, but do you think it justifies broadcasting photos of bin Laden's corpse?

BBM

I think the public images of American citizens falling over 100 stories to a horrible death on September 11, 2001 justifies, no ENTITLES, the American public to see the cold, dead, body of the coward who brought about their death.

I think a photograph of a Bin Laden with a hole right between his lifeless eyes would pale in comparison to the gruesome beheadings of our countrymen by this coward's terrorist empire.

Bring on the photographs, Mr. President. The American public has earned the right to see his Justice.

 

[Nova]

I should have mentioned that my post was just dripping with sarcasm..........and that same money is shared with obscenely wealthy oil folk here.

Wasn't it clear that I got it? I was adding a serious point to your very pointed, sarcastic one; but I tried to bridge the gap with "as tehcloser knows..."

 

[epiphany]

Q: What do we do with radical Islam and Islamofascists if there is no hope of converting radicals to moderation?

A: When "diplomacy" doesn't work, we do exactly what Obama authorized and the US assailants carried out a few days ago in Abbottabad.

Then, we respect the Islamic religion by according the dead proper burial. We make every attempt to spare the lives of the innocent, and women and children. And we do not release photos of his murdered body, not because we wish to appease Muslims (though, some will interpret it that way-an additional benefit), but because we will not be drawn into the propaganda that would undoubtedly ensue if such photos were released.

 

[Nova]

BBM

I think the public images of American citizens falling over 100 stories to a horrible death on September 11, 2001 justifies, no ENTITLES, the American public to see the cold, dead, body of the coward who brought about their death.

I think a photograph of a Bin Laden with a hole right between his lifeless eyes would pale in comparison to the gruesome beheadings of our countrymen by this coward's terrorist empire.

Bring on the photographs, Mr. President. The American public has earned the right to see his Justice.

Only Bin Laden? All mass murderers? All killers? Where is the cut-off?

 

[Concerned Papa]

Only Bin Laden? All mass murderers? All killers? Where is the cut-off?

Ask the murderers and killers. The cut-off is ultimately up to them.

 

[sorrell skye]

teh is a tree hugger. I value this rock we live on. We better start taking better care of it. So, don't hold ur breath waiting for us to shut up.....it ain't happening. lmbo. Gotta love politics. pppffftttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

I'm a proud card-carrying member of the tree hugger guild myself. I love this big blue & green planet & all the critters that walk upon it, be they two-legged, four-legged, or no-legged (although I cringe @ a few of the six-leggeds - ewww).

Trees, rocks, mountains, and rivers are 4 of my favorite critters. Oh - and birdies. I adore birdies.

 

[Quiche]

Ask the murderers and killers. The cut-off is ultimately up to them.

What, how so?

 

[Concerned Papa]

What, how so?

When they stop bringing their acts of cowardly terror to the citizens of my country, I will cut-off all concerns as to my desire to see the Justice brought for their acts.

The cut-off is up to them.

 

[epiphany]

I do not believe it is possible to convert radical terrorists of any ilk. Frankly, I do not believe we should even be trying. IMO, the administration may have given the illusion of diplomacy, but by the looks of the mission approved by Obama, the administration understands the futility of such wishful thinking when dealing with Radical Islam.

 

[Quiche]

When they stop bringing their acts of cowardly terror to the citizens of my country, I will cut-off all concerns as to my desire to see the Justice brought for their acts.

The cut-off is up to them.

Oh, I thought you were referring to all murderers, etc., but in truth, the cut-off regarding the publication of dead people's photographs (terrorists, murderers, your neighbor in a car wreck), is up to editors, producers, and media moguls. In this case, of course, the President is choosing not to release the images-- but if they get published anyway, it's on those folks listed above whose agenda I don't trust as far as I could throw them. mo

 

[Nova]

Ask the murderers and killers. The cut-off is ultimately up to them.

That's not really an answer. I was asking which crimes justify making a public show of a killer's dead body. All murders or just the big ones?

 

[Dark Knight]

It's a joke I received in my email.

Surly you don't think this OBL's personal FB page and that the US Navy Seals pushed the "like" button.

:waitasec:

I stole it and used it on MY Facebook page, and got a lot of laughs from it, I loved it, lol.

 

[Snick1946]

Re all the controversy about release of the dead Osama photos: my local paper had a photo of what was purported to be his body on an inside page Monday morning! It was a closeup of his face and you could see the wound above his left eye and his facial features and beard.
I have since seen nothing about it, emailed the paper with no reply and posted this comment on some local news chat boards, none of which published my posts. Either my paper used a hoax photo or someone jumped the gun.
Anyone else see something like this? I live in the Midwest.

 

[Nova]

Re all the controversy about release of the dead Osama photos: my local paper had a photo of what was purported to be his body on an inside page Monday morning! It was a closeup of his face and you could see the wound above his left eye and his facial features and beard.
I have since seen nothing about it, emailed the paper with no reply and posted this comment on some local news chat boards, none of which published my posts. Either my paper used a hoax photo or someone jumped the gun.
Anyone else see something like this? I live in the Midwest.

It sounds like the same photo that was linked here on Monday. It turned out to be a fake.

 

[epiphany]

Re all the controversy about release of the dead Osama photos: my local paper had a photo of what was purported to be his body on an inside page Monday morning! It was a closeup of his face and you could see the wound above his left eye and his facial features and beard.
I have since seen nothing about it, emailed the paper with no reply and posted this comment on some local news chat boards, none of which published my posts. Either my paper used a hoax photo or someone jumped the gun.
Anyone else see something like this? I live in the Midwest.

Associated Press article on doctored bin Laden death photos:

For the most newsworthy photos that also raise suspicions, the AP has access to software that can analyze photos down to the level of the pixel, the basic building block of all digital images.

At least as important as the image itself is vetting the credibility of its source, Lyon said.

The AP did not escape from the lightning spread of doctored photos. The news service pulled from its wires a total of six photos — one of a Pakistani television broadcast, three of an Afghan television broadcast and two of a Bulgarian newspaper — that included the doctored images of bin Laden's corpse.

SNIPPED

Associated Press
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110504/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_fake_photos

 

[karen in New York]

Those fake pictures were all over the web on Tuesday.
Is there a thread that looks at current news or events concerning Pakistan, interrogation of the people living in the compound, intelligence gained from the hard drives, etc?
Why are these pictures burying the real and whole story?
More information wanted.

 

[STEADFAST]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the celebration of Osama's death. On the other hand, I don't care at all whether he was armed or not when he was killed. Some things just have to be done. It would have been beyond awful to have to go through years of everything that would surround his trial. And I think it would have been the most dangerous move our country could have made. I don't doubt the administration's narrative of the events surrounding his death at all.

You know, when they used to execute people that everyone hated, they'd put their heads on pikes or hang them somewhere public so that everybody could get a good gander at them. I hope we're beyond that now. They don't publish death photos of executed criminals, and I don't see everybody claiming they have a right to see one.

 

[Nova]

I'm a little uncomfortable with the celebration of Osama's death. On the other hand, I don't care at all whether he was armed or not when he was killed. Some things just have to be done. It would have been beyond awful to have to go through years of everything that would surround his trial. And I think it would have been the most dangerous move our country could have made. I don't doubt the administration's narrative of the events surrounding his death at all.

You know, when they used to execute people that everyone hated, they'd put their heads on pikes or hang them somewhere public so that everybody could get a good gander at them. I hope we're beyond that now. They don't publish death photos of executed criminals, and I don't see everybody claiming they have a right to see one.

Really well put, Steadfast! I think the bottom line re OBL is that he was found in a small room filled with various weapons. Whether or not he had one in his hand, he certainly had weapons within reach. OBL's daughter apparently flung herself at the Seals (and was wounded). I see no reason why a Navy seal had to risk his life waiting to see whether OBL might pick up a weapon.

And I say that as a lifelong pacifist who believes lives should be taken only when absolutely necessary. (And, yeah, I'm glad we were spared a trial.)

 

[coastal]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110504/wl_nm/us_obama_statement

>>>snip

"There's no doubt that bin Laden is dead," Obama said. "And so we don't think that a photograph in and of itself is going to make any difference. There are going be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is, you will not see bin Laden walking on this earth again."

<<<snip

I guess I can trust my President...just this once.

 

[Fairy1]

But even if your hypothesis were true, photos of OBL's dead body wouldn't make the case one way or another. So there's still no equivalent with Abu Ghraib.

Why is releasing the photo so important? With all the tools available today, none of us could verify its authenticity anyway. (And you KNOW there'd be a sudden rash of bloggers claiming the photo was a fake.)

Given the hard feelings from the previous decade, what is so wrong about a little sensitivity toward feelings in Muslim countries? We can't go to war with a billion Muslims, so would it be so bad if we got a few on our side?

Obviously, "sensitivity" didn't keep Barack Obama from invading Pakistan (technically an act of war, BTW) and killing bin Laden.

We rightly complain bitterly when Arabs celebrate American deaths (civilian or military); so why not take the high road and refrain from the high tech equivalent of dragging Osama Bin Laden's corpse through the streets and sticking his head on a pike at the castle gate?

I agree with every word you say here, Nova. Releasing the picture, IMO, is absolutely akin to riding through the village with the enemy's head on a pike. And the authenticity of any such picture will prove nothing and will still be doubted by many. I'm quite certain the picture will be leaked - purposely. It won't matter.

Just this morning on my local news they read a viewer e-mail stating that "it's a well known fact that bin Laden died of kidney failure years ago."