UPDATED:Casey Death Penalty Case Hard To Make At This Time

[mitzi]

We're on the same page. Defense indicates crime and guilt by KC the same day prosecution says the evidence doesn't support a death penalty? Deal is comin' down, folks!

I am in total agreement with you. The lawyers on both sides are doing a "legal dance." Both the leak from the Defense and the statement from OCSO are thinly veiled messages, that say, both sides are willing to deal! Now they just need to get on each other's "dance card"!

 

[mysteriew]

One thing I think the A's need to think about. They have been focused on the possibility of the death penalty for Casey, they really feared that. But now the DP seems to be off the table.

It might seem like there is a possibility that if Caylee is never found, that maybe there could be a remote chance to get Casey off. But they need to stop and think what that means. If Casey is not held accountable for what happened, how will she react and will she really change- believing that she got by with it?

Imagine Casey in a year or two coming to tell then she was pregnant again. How would they feel about that? Could they ever be comfortable with that?

Or maybe she would come to them and tell them that she was getting married- and to a man that they knew wanted children? Could they be comfortable with that?

Or maybe it would be just Casey continuing like she did after Caylee went missing. Party after party, drinking, drugs, never knowing where she was or who she was with. Would they be comfortable with that?

I think it is unrealistic to believe that Casey will ever change that much, esp. if she is able to get by with what she has- she has no reason to change if she gets by with it.

We want to do what is best for our children. But sometimes they don't like what is best for them- but we have to do it anyway. The best thing for Casey and for Caylee is to locate Caylee and to tell Casey- we support you but you must grow up now. You must tell what you know and take your punishment like the grown up you want to be.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Geesh, how many dead people are laying around Florida, I have heard of several found since this case started.

All of them, unless there was a cremation. :wink:

 

[MiraclesHappen]

I started poking around WS on the other cases and found a spot where it's broken down state-by-state. I think this is a WONDERFUL feature because sleuthers can know exactly which cases are in their backyards. It really does help for perspective to have your feet on the ground near the case.

I have a case I will ask permission to put up (both here and from LE). It is a Florida case which has been prosecuted but the body has not yet been identified (an open case but OLD). But I think it's totally sleuthable.

I am curious, The only1, has this case already been tried without a body?

I am not understanding how the case is prosecuted and open. Is there an appeal? Is it the search for the body that's open. I'm not arguing at all. I am just not clear on the facts. Thanks, if you happen to see this. Could you point me in the right direction?

 

[LI_Mom]

It might seem like there is a possibility that if Caylee is never found, that maybe there could be a remote chance to get Casey off. But they need to stop and think what that means. If Casey is not held accountable for what happened, how will she react and will she really change- believing that she got by with it?

Imagine Casey in a year or two coming to tell then she was pregnant again. How would they feel about that? Could they ever be comfortable with that?

Good point.

Let's not forget how Casey told her friend (was it Amy?) how she was going to end up owning her parent's house?

How can they ever trust her to not kill them in their sleep... especially now that she blames THEM for her being arrested??? If she were MY daughter, I'd be afraid of her.

 

[DotsEyes]

From what we know, the only thing that might justify a conviction for murder is the presence of an unusually high amount of chloroform in the air in the trunk of KC's car. If the chloroform can be explained as a by-product of decomp., (which it is) or some contamination in the trunk, there is not any evidence that KC murdered Caylee. The fact that the body was in her trunk tells us only that Caylee died and that KC knew about it. But, with what we know, one can not rule out accidental death or death at the hands of another.

KC isn't talking to anyone except her attorneys and she isn't telling them what happened to Caylee or where she can be located. And believe me, they aren't asking her to tell them either.

 

[wings]

Hard to seek the death penalty without a body as well.
Just found this...they say the remains appear to be that of an adult but the location being close by it caught my interest.

Teens Discover Human Skull, Remains

http://www.local6.com/news/17922352/detail.html

Map
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?state=FL&level=5

someone may have already updated this info Jax but the same site says they identified this body as a 58 yo male, thought to be homeless, having left his wife, possible former marine, he was identified by jewelry with the remains and interviews with le who had interacted with him some time in April.

 

[concentric]

I'm wondering this, and forgive me if it has already been answered:

The defense states that Casey has no prior criminal offenses, right?

Can she be tried FIRST for the check forgery, etc., found guilty and charged and those crimes be used as a history of priors in the murder trial?

 

[Mouser]

I'm wondering this, and forgive me if it has already been answered:

The defense states that Casey has no prior criminal offenses, right?

Can she be tried FIRST for the check forgery, etc., found guilty and charged and those crimes be used as a history of priors in the murder trial?

But they already filed a motion (or whatever the proper legal term is) to postpone the fraud trial until after the murder trial.

 

[karenmamo]

I'm wondering this, and forgive me if it has already been answered:

The defense states that Casey has no prior criminal offenses, right?

Can she be tried FIRST for the check forgery, etc., found guilty and charged and those crimes be used as a history of priors in the murder trial?

Yes, those 'economic crimes' should have been tried first. Then she would have that prior which it seems to me would certainly help the prosecution. Cannot imagine why they agreed to a delay.:furious:

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

I'm bumping this because I want to discuss her chances for the death penalty or a life sentence..

 

[LaLaw2000]

I'm bumping this because I want to discuss her chances for the death penalty or a life sentence..

I really think Casey will get LWOP. FWIW

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

On our very own channel 6 news, Tony Pipitone has been saying how this case is not a strong one due to the lack of a body. It aggravates me that he says that and does not discuss the other many cases that result in a life sentencing or death penalty when there was no body. Just this year, a man was sentenced to death for the murder of his step daughter. They never retrieved a body, but they did find some blood. Also, some convicts said that he confessed the crime to them. To me, it did not seem like a very strong case, or at least it was comparable to this one.

Anyway, just check it out. It happened in Polk County, FL. There wasn't a body, video, or confessional. It was "only circumstantial" evidence. Another thing that bothers me is that people talk about circumstantial evidence as being nothing. Come on! Most people are convicted because of circumstantial evidence.
http://www.theledger.com/article/20081020/NEWS/810200395

Casey, you're not going to get away with this!

 

[impatientredhead]

On our very own channel 6 news, Tony Pipitone has been saying how this case is not a strong one due to the lack of a body. It aggravates me that he says that and does not discuss the other many cases that result in a life sentencing or death penalty when there was no body. Just this year, a man was sentenced to death for the murder of his step daughter. They never retrieved a body, but they did find some blood. Also, some convicts said that he confessed the crime to them. To me, it did not seem like a very strong case, or at least it was comparable to this one.

Anyway, just check it out. It happened in Polk County, FL. There wasn't a body, video, or confessional. It was "only circumstantial" evidence. Another thing that bothers me is that people talk about circumstantial evidence as being nothing. Come on! Most people are convicted because of circumstantial evidence.
http://www.theledger.com/article/20081020/NEWS/810200395

Casey, you're not going to get away with this!

I believe she will be convicted but statistically they are correct about cases without bodies. Very very few of them are taken to trial. I think they said there are just over 300 cases across the country in the last several decades. The ones that go usually end up with a conviction as they only take the strongest ones. If this one didn't have the intense press coverage it has had the amount of money that has been poured into it might have been different and it might have become a cold case.

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

Another case where someone was sentenced to life without parole happened in Oklahoma. A mother killed her child and no body was found. Plus, she was a huge liar like Casey.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070901_1_A17_cpWom02475

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

I have faith in the judicial system that she will be convicted. It infuriates me that people are saying that no body= no conviction. Think of all the whack jobs out there that are thinking "Really? I'll think I'll go kill someone and be sure to hide the body where nobody can find it".

I'm sure all innocent people just go around not reporting their missing children. Then after their child is missing, they party at clubs with their boyfriends. Plus, this girl cannot get a break! I mean, she is so unlucky. She loses her child, and then her car smells like a death. Poor thing, I guess she was just trying to move on by partying. Hakuna Matata....

 

[Pink Panther]

I think that the deadline for a decision to file this as a DP is November 24th. I realize that there was some information released that implied that the Prosecution would not file for the DP but it has not been confirmed and technically, they have until the 24th.

I was starting to believe that they would not file for DP but these recently released tapes have me questioning myself. In the interviews with GA the FBI generally let GA speak, they say very little but there is one thing that the interviewer says that really sticks with me. When he is talking to GA, he says that he has worked on many similar cases and that they always work out the same and that the case can be a "good one", a "bad one" or a "really bad one". (This is after GA has been openly speculating about what could have happened and talking about the fact that he can't talk with KC.) Why would he say this? It seems that he's trying to express that this might just be a "really bad one". GA goes off after he says this and starts rambling without making much sense for quite a while...

I'm starting to think that this might really be bad and that there is plenty of information and evidence that we just haven't seen yet.

 

[magic-cat]

I think that the deadline for a decision to file this as a DP is November 24th. I realize that there was some information released that implied that the Prosecution would not file for the DP but it has not been confirmed and technically, they have until the 24th.

I was starting to believe that they would not file for DP but these recently released tapes have me questioning myself. In the interviews with GA the FBI generally let GA speak, they say very little but there is one thing that the interviewer says that really sticks with me. When he is talking to GA, he says that he has worked on many similar cases and that they always work out the same and that the case can be a "good one", a "bad one" or a "really bad one". (This is after GA has been openly speculating about what could have happened and talking about the fact that he can't talk with KC.) Why would he say this? It seems that he's trying to express that this might just be a "really bad one". GA goes off after he says this and starts rambling without making much sense for quite a while...

I'm starting to think that this might really be bad and that there is plenty of information and evidence that we just haven't seen yet.

Monday is D Day so I guess we will know come Monday if they are or are not confident enough to seek the death penalty.

 

[jennyb]

I think that the deadline for a decision to file this as a DP is November 24th. I realize that there was some information released that implied that the Prosecution would not file for the DP but it has not been confirmed and technically, they have until the 24th.

I was starting to believe that they would not file for DP but these recently released tapes have me questioning myself. In the interviews with GA the FBI generally let GA speak, they say very little but there is one thing that the interviewer says that really sticks with me. When he is talking to GA, he says that he has worked on many similar cases and that they always work out the same and that the case can be a "good one", a "bad one" or a "really bad one". (This is after GA has been openly speculating about what could have happened and talking about the fact that he can't talk with KC.) Why would he say this? It seems that he's trying to express that this might just be a "really bad one". GA goes off after he says this and starts rambling without making much sense for quite a while...

I'm starting to think that this might really be bad and that there is plenty of information and evidence that we just haven't seen yet.

I keep remembering how fast the GJ came in with the indictment and also, most hauntingly, remember the DA (?) spokesperson saying how sorry he was that the jury was exposed to such horrible info. I know it was speculated that this referred to the entire GJ service, but I always took it to mean this particular case. Anyway, I think for the first time it could most certainly be a DP case.

 

[not_my_kids]

On our very own channel 6 news, Tony Pipitone has been saying how this case is not a strong one due to the lack of a body. It aggravates me that he says that and does not discuss the other many cases that result in a life sentencing or death penalty when there was no body. Just this year, a man was sentenced to death for the murder of his step daughter. They never retrieved a body, but they did find some blood. Also, some convicts said that he confessed the crime to them. To me, it did not seem like a very strong case, or at least it was comparable to this one.

Anyway, just check it out. It happened in Polk County, FL. There wasn't a body, video, or confessional. It was "only circumstantial" evidence. Another thing that bothers me is that people talk about circumstantial evidence as being nothing. Come on! Most people are convicted because of circumstantial evidence.
http://www.theledger.com/article/20081020/NEWS/810200395

Casey, you're not going to get away with this!

I agree, while circumstantial evidence isn't as good as a witness or a confession, they don't call it evidence for nothing. It's mainly evidence that doesn't add up to much one piece at a time, but you wollop someone with a while mountain of circumstantial evidence and it can be damning.