US - 27 shot & killed on Christmas Day

[KaaBoom]

I find this article very deceiving but it was probably written to be. As far as Britain. Britain banned firearms but still have murders per year and severe injuries due to knife attacks. I wonder why they didn't mention how many are murdered by other methods in Britain per year? Is it higher than by firearm? The last article I read about Britain said they have over 20K serious knife attacks a year and its continuing to rise since the ban was implemented.

Since they also listed Britain and Australia in the homicide firearm category, I guess they have the same problem that we face concerning those who do not abide by any laws including their gun laws plus Australia only has around 2M citizens doesn't it... compared to our 320M?

What is the population Australia, Britain, Austria, New Zealand, Norway, Slovenia, Estonia, Bermuda, Hong Kong and Iceland, combined?

Combined is it over 320 million people?

Combined the population of those countries is about 120 million. So about one-third the population of the US. To put it in perspective. We have 3 x the population, and 365 x more gun homicide.

We lose an average of 80 people a day due to vehicle accidents.

Fatal Car Crash Statistics Data
Average number of people killed on US roads each day 80
Average number of non-fatal car crashes each year 5,400,000 * Many who live sustained life altering injuries for the rest of their lives.
Fatal Car Crashes by Year Fatal Crashes
2014 30,057

Good job. When you can’t win an argument with logic, change the subject.:thumb:

With so many criminals having illegal weapons and with the serious gang problems these big inner cities have on a daily basis, I would have thought it would be even higher than 27.

IMO

And how do the criminals get those illegal weapons? Because of our weak gun laws. So lets weaken our gun laws even more and make it easier for criminals to them. Maybe then we can get the numbers more up to your expectations. Go Merica.

 

[bluesneakers]

Combined the population of those countries is about 120 million. So about one-third the population of the US. To put it in perspective. We have 3 x the population, and 365 x more gun homicide.

Good job. When you can’t win an argument with logic, change the subject.:thumb:


And how do the criminals get those illegal weapons? Because of our weak gun laws. So lets weaken our gun laws even more and make it easier for criminals to them. Maybe then we can get the numbers more up to your expectations. Go Merica.

Omg. Shameful.

On an average day 88 Americans are killed with guns (seven of those are teens and children.) So it looks like Christmas Day wasn't so bad. I guess.

 

[Archangel7]

JMO but a defunct website and something called "rampage shootings" aren't exactly MSM.


As for IJReview, this cracked me up:
Anti-Gun Mom Called out Trump’s Spokeswoman for Wearing Bullet Necklace — Her Response Says It All

That's some serious, hard-hitting, unbiased journalism right there.

The truth is never defunct except to the prejudicial.

 

[Archangel7]

Combined the population of those countries is about 120 million. So about one-third the population of the US. To put it in perspective. We have 3 x the population, and 365 x more gun homicide.



Good job. When you can’t win an argument with logic, change the subject.:thumb:



And how do the criminals get those illegal weapons? Because of our weak gun laws. So lets weaken our gun laws even more and make it easier for criminals to them. Maybe then we can get the numbers more up to your expectations. Go Merica.

No, many criminals get guns thru theft, smuggling(thanks to Obama and Eric Holder) and straw purchases.

All are illegal and punishable but judges have to do their job and stop the hug a crook judiciary program. There are enough laws to stop this, they just have to be enforced, prosecuted and adjudicated properly and with the idea/goal of stopping gun crime.

 

[Archangel7]

<modsnip> The real problem is morality and the secondary problem is judicial leniency when there is no morality and a gun is used..

 

[Tawny]

I'm pro-2nd Amendment but y'all we gotta do something. I don't know what.

There are so many ingrained issues with the right to own a gun. One of them, which I will only lightly touch on and delve no deeper, is the extreme machoism we worship in our society. I think it's getting better, slowly, but while it gets better, the most machoest are becoming more chest-poundy in the meantime.

All of those are real words shut up LOL

ETA: The irony of me posting this while having a Deadpool icon is not lost on me.

 

[Archangel7]

I find it ironic and then hypocritical when others try to blame guns and Constitutional Rights(gun laws) on everything other than cause/effect.

Back in about 1963 President JFK's(liberal Democrat) passed the Community Mental Health Act. It deinstitutionalized large centers of service such as the commonly referred to mental health institution in favor of funding community care for in and out type patient service and frequent daily care.

So effectively releasing the mentally ill onto the streets over time

Later, about the time Ronald Reagan(Democrat) was Gov. of California the trend continued as liberal academia and majority of liberal CA Senators(1967 LPS Act) and Doctors began to preach the utopia of psychotic drugs as a cure all for mental health, mental health rights and the savings governments would recover via adopting the drug treatment and recommended closing the balance of any existing Mental Health institutes.

Reagan was convinced and did release MH patients for the drug treatment in lieu of institutionalization as Governor of California. Other States followed suit for the same reasons.

So now we are at a place where liberalism has convinced us to be and with all the MH issues we are seeing along with the combination of guns and criminals it has suddenly become the fault of the gun and these people are literally screaming over what they support/supported.

We have enough gun laws. What we need is less political correctness and an honest look at why criminals are back on the street killing people, regardless of whether it's a knife, gun, car, blunt object, etc.

That is why we have a merry go round.

Mentally ill with no real help/support nor a place to hold/treat the criminally mentally ill other than a prison.
Criminals with no real deterrent/punishment

Here's a link, I didn't read it, just skimmed.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html?pagewanted=all

You can research more about JFK's CMHA, whether Reagan actually played a part, the failure to help the mentally ill etc., etc. online or at the local library.

 

[Archangel7]

I'm pro-2nd Amendment but y'all we gotta do something. I don't know what.

There are so many ingrained issues with the right to own a gun. One of them, which I will only lightly touch on and delve no deeper, is the extreme machoism we worship in our society. I think it's getting better, slowly, but while it gets better, the most machoest are becoming more chest-poundy in the meantime.

All of those are real words shut up LOL

ETA: The irony of me posting this while having a Deadpool icon is not lost on me.

I don't disagree. But I swore an oath and I take it seriously.

I have no problem with law abiding citizens have firearms. I am not uncomfortable around them and I am not uncomfortable around my armed colleagues. It "ain't" the gun. It's the people.

It's a people problem. Then once one admits that obvious truth it's easier and more effective to see and develop a REAL solution rather than a knee jerk, feel good, useless solution that only negatively affects the good citizens.

I'm all for solving the crime problem correctly, have skin in the game and have dedicated a large part of my career to stopping crime and helping people. That is my agenda.

 

[Tawny]

I'm beginning to feel like Americans as a general population aren't "mature enough" to have the responsibility of owning firearms, at least firearms designed for rapid fire.

We have soooooo many other major issues running rampant in our society that all feed into that and then you arm us with high capacity magazines, and it's a perfect storm.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm pro-2nd Amendment but y'all we gotta do something. I don't know what.

There are so many ingrained issues with the right to own a gun. One of them, which I will only lightly touch on and delve no deeper, is the extreme machoism we worship in our society. I think it's getting better, slowly, but while it gets better, the most machoest are becoming more chest-poundy in the meantime.

All of those are real words shut up LOL

ETA: The irony of me posting this while having a Deadpool icon is not lost on me.

I'm glad you added the eta because I had no idea.

 

[Archangel7]

I'm beginning to feel like Americans as a general population aren't "mature enough" to have the responsibility of owning firearms, at least firearms designed for rapid fire.

We have soooooo many other major issues running rampant in our society that all feed into that and then you arm us with high capacity magazines, and it's a perfect storm.

Have any idea the hoops one has to jump thru for automatic firearms, if that is what you are referencing rapid fire.

High Cap Mag limits are another political joke and not effective. Only affects the compliant citizens.

If the genuine focus was on the correct things, guns wouldn't be an issue.
You have to put the salve where the sore is to heal the sore. Applying it anywhere else is laughable, costly, ineffective and encourages the sore to spread or become worse.

Hmmmmm.......

 

[Tawny]

I own rapid fire firearms, so I know of the "hoops" you don't have to jump through.

I, personally, waited a few hours for a clean background check to come back.

From there, I could easily list my firearm on the internet and meet someone in a Wal-Mart parking lot to sell that firearm. I then have no responsibility to report the sale to anybody. I have no responsibility to ask the buyer anything about themselves. I have no responsibility to do a background check.

lol hoops.

 

[Archangel7]

I own rapid fire firearms, so I know of the "hoops" you don't have to jump through.

I, personally, waited a few hours for a clean background check to come back.

From there, I could easily list my firearm on the internet and meet someone in a Wal-Mart parking lot to sell that firearm. I then have no responsibility to report the sale to anybody. I have no responsibility to ask the buyer anything about themselves. I have no responsibility to do a background check.

lol hoops.

Ok so your RAPID FIRE is actually not Automatic it is a simple self loader.
Ok we are now on level playing field and yes as one of your freedoms you can own and sell your property. You also have the freedom to break the law as a straw buyer or as a sale to a reprobate.
And yes you could just as likely sell it to a law abiding citizen.

I have never, nor would I ever sell a firearm to an unknown individual.

And I can promise you that you will jump thru hoops to own an automatic firearm and or a suppressor.

lol rapid fire

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm beginning to feel like Americans as a general population aren't "mature enough" to have the responsibility of owning firearms, at least firearms designed for rapid fire.

We have soooooo many other major issues running rampant in our society that all feed into that and then you arm us with high capacity magazines, and it's a perfect storm.

Try to imagine what kind of perfect storm concealed carry in college dorms will create.

Add weapons to: alcohol, jealousy, depression, various forms of medicinal products, fights, sporting events, domestic violence, cheating (personally and academically), and more, and watch the college student daily gun death toll rival Christmas Day 2015.

 

[Tawny]

Ok so your RAPID FIRE is actually not Automatic it is a simple self loader.
Ok we are now on level playing field and yes as one of your freedoms you can own and sell your property. You also have the freedom to break the law as a straw buyer or as a sale to a reprobate.
And yes you could just as likely sell it to a law abiding citizen.

I have never, nor would I ever sell a firearm to an unknown individual.

And I can promise you that you will jump thru hoops to own an automatic firearm and or a suppressor.

lol rapid fire

Semantics are fun and all, but I'm not going to play them with you.

 

[Archangel7]

Semantics are fun and all, but I'm not going to play them with you.

It's not about semantics, it's a term inferring full automatic rate of fire and then referencing high capacity mags to somehow make gun ownership look bad or a threat.

I've never seen a reference to a firearm action called rapid fire and I taught firearms at the police academy and range.
I have heard semi automatic, self loading, Full automatic, manual/single shot, machine gun sub machine gun.

We should strive to post correctly lest the wrong impression is assumed about firearms and their legality, lawful use and criminal use.

Regardless my previous posts about hoops is factual as is the freedom to act within or without the law as it relates to the use of guns in this thread during crimes.

 

[Tawny]

Rapid fire is a military term.

 

[Archangel7]

Must be a Call of Duty BO3 term. lol

 

[Tawny]

Must be a Call of Duty BO3 term. lol

No, it is an active military term. I am a veteran.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I have ann honest questionn about gun conntro. If (god forbid) guns are banned in USA (hypothetical) how will that work? We rely on the honor system tthat everyone who has a gun just turns them in? I will never get rid of my gun as long as criminals have them. and there is no way, IMO, to assure anyonne they don't have them. MOO