US threatens to annex Greenland - 2025/2026

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In 1966 France kicked the US military out. They did it because Charles De Gaulle was the president at that time, and as a decorated military General remembered quite clearly what it was like to live under Nazi occupation and didn't want France to live under America's influence in NATO. In 2009, France rejoined NATO but has never invited the US back so there are still no US bases on French soil. So I can see in the not so distant future that some significant countries like the UK, Germany and Italy may decide they don't want nearly 100,000 US military members on their sovereign soil. All US military bases in Europe are there solely on the good graces of the host countries. Depending on the exigencies of what could transpire quickly with Trump and his threats the drawdown of US troops and equipment could echo what happened in Afghanistan in 2021.
One thing that the US and many Americans have never experienced in modern history is occupation and the destruction of their country during active wars. So far, the US has escaped that. Even the most famous example of overt military aggression toward the US was on Pearl Harbour in 1941 which wasn't even a state back then. They were annexed in 1898 when the US overthrew the monarchy. They took it by force not negotiation. Which sounds very similar to what Trump wants to do with Greenland.
there is already a US base in Greenland. Why not just work with that? Why all this hostility/demands/threats? I really do not understand why there isn't just more diplomacy.
 
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When and where did Denmark make such comments?




Germans move their troops there in direct response to American threats.

Moo obviously.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. There is a lot media hate for Trump but the actual nations are not that heated. Why is Greenland such a a hot topic all of a sudden. I think Russia was or is about to make a move.
Are you serious? All over the media it has been said that troops are moving there BECAUSE of Trump! The actual nations are that heated! No word of Russia doing anything but I'm guessing they are sitting back and laughing! IMO, but also seen all over social media.
 
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there is already a US base in Greenland. Why not just work with that? Why all this hostility/demands/threats? I really do not understand why there isn't just more diplomacy.
Greed by Trump, he is after resources and power. His massive ego. I add IMO but it is obvious at this point.
 
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In 1966 France kicked the US military out. They did it because Charles De Gaulle was the president at that time, and as a decorated military General remembered quite clearly what it was like to live under Nazi occupation and didn't want France to live under America's influence in NATO. In 2009, France rejoined NATO but has never invited the US back so there are still no US bases on French soil. So I can see in the not so distant future that some significant countries like the UK, Germany and Italy may decide they don't want nearly 100,000 US military members on their sovereign soil. All US military bases in Europe are there solely on the good graces of the host countries. Depending on the exigencies of what could transpire quickly with Trump and his threats the drawdown of US troops and equipment could echo what happened in Afghanistan in 2021.
One thing that the US and many Americans have never experienced in modern history is occupation and the destruction of their country during active wars. So far, the US has escaped that. Even the most famous example of overt military aggression toward the US was on Pearl Harbour in 1941 which wasn't even a state back then. They were annexed in 1898 when the US overthrew the monarchy. They took it by force not negotiation. Which sounds very similar to what Trump wants to do with Greenland.
Never to forget the suffering other countries went through and go through. I never take it for granted.
 
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Are you serious? All over the media it has been said that troops are moving there BECAUSE of Trump! The actual nations are that heated! No word of Russia doing anything but I'm guessing they are sitting back and laughing! IMO, but also seen all over social media.
 
  • #266
I am wondering if the sudden interest in Greenland, Denmark's comments about not being able to defend and now Germany potentially moving troops there evidences a year or so of intel indicating Russia or the PRC was about to make a move on Greenland. The Russian shadow fleet operations severing cables is very aggressive and we have seen the PRC pressing the arctic as well.
I don't agree Russia is about to make a move on Greenland. It is too depleted by and occupied with Ukraine to do this at this time.
 
  • #267
I don't agree Russia is about to make a move on Greenland. It is too depleted by and occupied with Ukraine to do this at this time.
Agree

Who would they send there and what would they do with it anyway?

There armies are depleted of solid military people and contemporary equipment.
 
  • #268
The fact that the US has military bases and presence on Greenland, and the fact that Greenland has welcomed expansion of that military presence, shows that this isn't about US defense at all. It's in part about control of mineral resources which are prohibited from being extracted due to environmental regulations. But moreso, it's about Trump's overwhelming narcissistic need for ownership, much like his Nobel medal. There is no need for the US to own Greenland. There is no need to appease the man-child. None.
 
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“We heard that former Rep Billy Long, Trump’s nominee for ambassador to Iceland, joked to members on the floor last night that Iceland will be the 52nd state and he’ll be governor,” Politico wrote in its morning newsletter....

Iceland’s foreign ministry said it had contacted the US embassy for clarification....

On Wednesday Long reportedly apologised for the remarks in an interview with Arctic Today, a news website that covers the region....

Though Long said he could understand why the comments would have set off a reaction, he was adamant they were a joke and should not be taken seriously.

“I apologise and that’s my only comment, I look forward to working with the people of Iceland and I apologise it was taken that way. I was with a group of friends and there was nothing serious about it,” he added.


 
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“We heard that former Rep Billy Long, Trump’s nominee for ambassador to Iceland, joked to members on the floor last night that Iceland will be the 52nd state and he’ll be governor,” Politico wrote in its morning newsletter....

Iceland’s foreign ministry said it had contacted the US embassy for clarification....

On Wednesday Long reportedly apologised for the remarks in an interview with Arctic Today, a news website that covers the region....

Though Long said he could understand why the comments would have set off a reaction, he was adamant they were a joke and should not be taken seriously.

“I apologise and that’s my only comment, I look forward to working with the people of Iceland and I apologise it was taken that way. I was with a group of friends and there was nothing serious about it,” he added.


When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time, as Maya told us.

In the current climate, there is nothing light or frivolous about suggesting invasion or annexation. Especially as Greenland, Iceland's neighbour, is being told by the president himself that the US is going to invade whether they like it or not.

MOO
 
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Carney answered media questions after wrapping up his new trade deal with China. There was one question about Greenland.

He referenced NATO Article 2 and Article 5. He mentioned that Canada has opened a new consulate in Greenland (official opening next month). He reiterated that Canada is in discussions with Greenland and Denmark regarding Arctic security, and that one of his first decisions as Prime Minister was to implement increased strategic presence in the Arctic. He increased presence from 4 months to 365 days.

He said that China is in agreement with Canada to respect the sovereignty of Greenland.

Canada expects all NATO partners to respect the partnership.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being. They will seek to eliminate conflict in their international economic policies and will encourage economic collaboration between any or all of them.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.


 
  • #274
I think that one of the most interesting statements in Carney's press conference (after meetings with China) is "Carney said China is more predictable partner than the U.S." Also, of note, is that Canada is continuing to secure global alliances without consideration of the 1823 United States goal to assert authority over the Western Hemisphere.

"The final question Carney addressed was on Greenland and security in the Arctic. He first stated that the future of Greenland, a self-governing Danish territory, is a decision for Greenland and Denmark. Canada is in discussions with Denmark and partners of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Nato) on safeguarding Arctic security, he said.

"We've taken decisive steps in terms of Arctic security over the course of this [past] year," he said, noting that Canada is increasing its presence in that region from four months in a year to year-round.

Carney had earlier pledged to boost Canada’s military and security presence in the Arctic. Canada will officially open a consulate in Nuuk, Greenland, next month, and is planning for another in Anchorage, Alaska."​


"Carney urged NATO allies including the U.S. to “respect their commitments” as he stressed Canada’s support for Danish sovereignty over the strategically vital Arctic island, which Trump has threatened to seize.

"We are NATO partners with Denmark, and so our full partnership stands," Carney said in his first remarks on the intensifying diplomatic brouhaha. "Our obligations on Article 5, Article 2 of NATO stand, and we stand full-square behind those."
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Carney said Greenland and Arctic sovereignty also featured in his discussions with Xi, adding that he “found much alignment of views in that regard.”​


Prime Minister Mark Carney has a healthy response to questions about Trump: "who cares". He apologized for the comment, but the message is clear. Canada is a sovereign country where the US has no influence or authority.

November 2025
 
  • #275
Yesterday the Netherlands announced that they would send one soldier from the Royal Netherlands Navy to Greenland. Today, it's been doubled!

All NATO countries agree that Greenland is strategically important and that a joint military exercise demonstrates that concretely. Military representatives from some NATO countries are meeting in Greenland to plan defence strategies for the Island.

"The Netherlands is sending not one, but two soldiers to Greenland to assist with preparations for a NATO exercise. They are an operational planner and a logistics planner, says outgoing Defense Minister Brekelmans.
...

The two will conduct an initial exploration of "what such an exercise looks like," he says. If that becomes more concrete, more Dutch people will likely head that way in the relatively short term.

If the NATO exercise actually begins, it will involve a larger number of military personnel. The exact number is still unclear. The Minister of Defense has not yet determined whether the operation will be large-scale or small-scale. A large-scale operation could, for example, also involve an air force unit."

 
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He still doesn't seem to understand that his tariffs impact Americans, first and foremost.

MOO
He does not CARE, he understands all right
 
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He does not CARE, he understands all right
Oh, I know he doesn't care either way, but I genuinely don't think he understands the difference between tariffs and sanctions.

MOO
 
  • #280
He still doesn't seem to understand that his tariffs impact Americans, first and foremost.

MOO
He really doesn’t understand the concept of tariffs and neither do his advisors. MOO
 

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