US Virgin Is - Sarm Joan Lillian Heslop, 41, British, aboard vessel Siren Song, St. John, 7 Mar 2021

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  • #341
420 to Center diner and bar in Cruz Bay

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Thanks. Looks like they would have taken the dingey a short distance from the boat at Frank Bay, around the headland to Cruz Bay and leave it by the jetty or on the beach, walking a short distance to the restaurant.

IMO there'd be a lot of cameras around there, what with the jetty and all the yachts, but it would've been dark.
 
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  • #342
Bane’s friend told DailyMail.com.

"‘He went out on his dinghy and was screaming for her, and trying to find her and yelling her name. "

Hmm.

Occupants of the neighboring boats didn't hear this. And we still have Flora's report that he phoned his mates at 2am to let them know, and met police on shore at 2:30am.
The DM pays people for stories and doesn't care whether they're true, this could be a).someone just making stuff up for cash b) someone making stuff up to protect their friend c) someone repeating stuff they heard from the gossip vine d) someone repeating lies they'd been told by RB.
 
  • #343
A report from the U.S Coast Guard shows that Bane told Coast Guard officers on March 8 that the couple had been drinking alcohol the previous evening, but the report does not go into any specifics about where or how much alcohol was consumed.

Chris Wilson, a friend of Heslop’s from the UK, says he continues to question the reported timeline of Bane’s communication with investigators on March 8, particularly the delay in contacting the Coast Guard, which USVI police reportedly told Bane to do in the early hours of that Monday morning. According to documents obtained by CrimeOnline, Bane contacted the Coast Guard at about 11:45 a.m., several hours after he discovered Heslop missing, and Coast Guard officers responded about an hour and a half later.
SEE IT: Restaurant where missing flight attendant Sarm Heslop ate her last meal before disappearing from boyfriend’s yacht in U.S. Virgin Islands [REPORT]
ETA: To add, yes @Satchie plenty of cameras around. A quick search on Cruz Bay webcam on Google or YouTube brings a bunch up. Unfortunately I can't find any for the more secluded Frank Bay.
 
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  • #344
Actually, boats have more nooks, crannies and hiding places then you can imagine. Very few big enough to hold an adult body though.

I’ve never been on a yacht, but I’m imagining one to be a pretty finite space. I mean, it’s not like searching a building with nooks and crannies, attics and cellars, false walls or hidden rooms. You look at the plan of the boat, you search every inch of it, done. It seems odd that they think they may have missed something.
 
  • #345
Ah, found info on the second search:

"As part of the search and rescue effort, the Coast Guard went aboard the vessel to interview and gather information from the reporting source," the Coast Guard previously said in a statement to Fox News. "Later, the Coast Guard returned to the vessel to conduct a standard vessel safety check to ensure proper equipment and compliance with applicable rules and regulations for vessel type and operation."

Despite an "extensive search," the Coast Guard found no sign of Heslop in the surrounding waters or on land.

Bane has resisted further efforts by authorities to search the boat that Heslop went missing on, frustrating her family and friends.
Boyfriend of woman missing in US Virgin Islands was previously arrested for domestic violence: report | Fox News

So RB let the Coast Guard interview him onboard and also allowed a second boarding in order to conduct a safety check on the boat's equipment.
 
  • #346
An update has been posted on Sarm's Missing Person Facebook page.

I wonder where the Derima / USVI police quote originated? Possibly directly to the family? I couldn't find it doing the usual Boolean searches online.

Nothing new other than further confirmation of the FBI involvement.
 
  • #347
Like a lot of posters here, I'm really struggling to understand RB's immediate actions on awakening to an anchor alarm and finding Sarm missing.

To put this situation in context, RB is a charter captain. That means that he has to hold US Coastguard recognised qualifications to charter in VI territory. So he has been fully trained in pretty much every maritime emergency situation a boat will face and, moreover, is responsible for ensuring his crew/guests know the basic procedures. Most folks who have grown up round boats know how important emergency procedures are so I suppose my point is, as a captain, he'd be expected to be particularly competent.

In the situation RB faced, and with his level of knowledge, or just knowing basic protocol covered in training, I'd have expected him to:

- immediately investigate the source of the alarm on wakening (alarms on any type of boat are never a good thing!)
- on noticing Sharm was missing, immediately search the interior then cast light on the surrounding water to see if he could locate any sign of her
- call - if no response;
- protocol is to set up what's called a DSC, or Digital Selective Calling, distress signal over the radio. This can be done very quickly - most boats have a DSC button on their radio sets. It basically sends a distress signal to the Coastguard, with the added benefit of confirming the boat's exact position and sometimes even the nature of the emergency
- follow up with a Mayday radio call to notify US Coastguard and surrounding vessels of a potential man overboard.

These would be the absolute basics - from this I'd expect a full search and rescue operation to be launched in minutes, not just by Coastguard, but boats nearby. The maritime community would all be helping.

So why the delay in notifying Coastguard?

And why notify police when he would be fully aware (again, all part of the training he'd have to complete) that US Coastguard hold authority for maritime search and rescue in the VI?

None of this makes sense to me.
 
  • #348
Like a lot of posters here, I'm really struggling to understand RB's immediate actions on awakening to an anchor alarm and finding Sarm missing.

To put this situation in context, RB is a charter captain. That means that he has to hold US Coastguard recognised qualifications to charter in VI territory. So he has been fully trained in pretty much every maritime emergency situation a boat will face and, moreover, is responsible for ensuring his crew/guests know the basic procedures. Most folks who have grown up round boats know how important emergency procedures are so I suppose my point is, as a captain, he'd be expected to be particularly competent.

In the situation RB faced, and with his level of knowledge, or just knowing basic protocol covered in training, I'd have expected him to:

- immediately investigate the source of the alarm on wakening (alarms on any type of boat are never a good thing!)
- on noticing Sharm was missing, immediately search the interior then cast light on the surrounding water to see if he could locate any sign of her
- call - if no response;
- protocol is to set up what's called a DSC, or Digital Selective Calling, distress signal over the radio. This can be done very quickly - most boats have a DSC button on their radio sets. It basically sends a distress signal to the Coastguard, with the added benefit of confirming the boat's exact position and sometimes even the nature of the emergency
- follow up with a Mayday radio call to notify US Coastguard and surrounding vessels of a potential man overboard.

These would be the absolute basics - from this I'd expect a full search and rescue operation to be launched in minutes, not just by Coastguard, but boats nearby. The maritime community would all be helping.

So why the delay in notifying Coastguard?

And why notify police when he would be fully aware (again, all part of the training he'd have to complete) that US Coastguard hold authority for maritime search and rescue in the VI?

None of this makes sense to me.

Excellent post
 
  • #349
A coast guard check for boat safety has Nothing to do with examining a potential crime scene. Zip, Nada.
When examining, they are checking for safety features and valid registration paperwork. Ie; how many life jackets, how old are your flares, if your ship to shore radio works and is on the right channel. That kind of stuff.
Even if they saw blood, one could say, oh I caught a fish earlier. They have no forensic equipment.
It's obvious to me that he wouldn't mind the coast guard showing up but, would mind the police boarding.

Ah, found info on the second search:

"As part of the search and rescue effort, the Coast Guard went aboard the vessel to interview and gather information from the reporting source," the Coast Guard previously said in a statement to Fox News. "Later, the Coast Guard returned to the vessel to conduct a standard vessel safety check to ensure proper equipment and compliance with applicable rules and regulations for vessel type and operation."

Despite an "extensive search," the Coast Guard found no sign of Heslop in the surrounding waters or on land.

Bane has resisted further efforts by authorities to search the boat that Heslop went missing on, frustrating her family and friends.
Boyfriend of woman missing in US Virgin Islands was previously arrested for domestic violence: report | Fox News

So RB let the Coast Guard interview him onboard and also allowed a second boarding in order to conduct a safety check on the boat's equipment.
 
  • #350
Excellent post. Damn right.
Edited to add, importantly- they were moored in the bay, with the dinghy attached to the boat. There is no dock for her to walk off on. She'd either have ended in the water, or gotten on another boat (doubtful).

Like a lot of posters here, I'm really struggling to understand RB's immediate actions on awakening to an anchor alarm and finding Sarm missing.

To put this situation in context, RB is a charter captain. That means that he has to hold US Coastguard recognised qualifications to charter in VI territory. So he has been fully trained in pretty much every maritime emergency situation a boat will face and, moreover, is responsible for ensuring his crew/guests know the basic procedures. Most folks who have grown up round boats know how important emergency procedures are so I suppose my point is, as a captain, he'd be expected to be particularly competent.

In the situation RB faced, and with his level of knowledge, or just knowing basic protocol covered in training, I'd have expected him to:

- immediately investigate the source of the alarm on wakening (alarms on any type of boat are never a good thing!)
- on noticing Sharm was missing, immediately search the interior then cast light on the surrounding water to see if he could locate any sign of her
- call - if no response;
- protocol is to set up what's called a DSC, or Digital Selective Calling, distress signal over the radio. This can be done very quickly - most boats have a DSC button on their radio sets. It basically sends a distress signal to the Coastguard, with the added benefit of confirming the boat's exact position and sometimes even the nature of the emergency
- follow up with a Mayday radio call to notify US Coastguard and surrounding vessels of a potential man overboard.

These would be the absolute basics - from this I'd expect a full search and rescue operation to be launched in minutes, not just by Coastguard, but boats nearby. The maritime community would all be helping.

So why the delay in notifying Coastguard?

And why notify police when he would be fully aware (again, all part of the training he'd have to complete) that US Coastguard hold authority for maritime search and rescue in the VI?

None of this makes sense to me.
 
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  • #351
Excellent post. Damn right.
Edited to add, importantly- they were moored in the bay, with the dinghy attached to the boat. There is no dock for her to walk off on. She'd either have ended in the water, or gotten on another boat (doubtful).
Yes, according to the people moored near the Siren Song no one heard anything that night. If Sarm got on another boat (highly unlikely IMO) without anyone hearing it approach then it's just as likely that nearby boats wouldn't hear the dinghy moving about either.

IOW we still only have SB's account of events. A lot could have occurred between 10 pm and 2:30 am the next morning.
 
  • #352
Being in a dinghy might be true. The yelling part might be true, too, but maybe yelling at her, not for her. IDK. jmo
Now THAT sounds more plausible.
 
  • #353
So why the delay in notifying Coastguard?

And why notify police when he would be fully aware (again, all part of the training he'd have to complete) that US Coastguard hold authority for maritime search and rescue in the VI?

None of this makes sense to me.
RSBM
Why would someone highly trained in correct procedure fail to implement it, not calling on the neighbour boat to help search, and then delaying notifying coast guard for hours?

IMO it suggests a) he wasn't in a state of mind to implement those search procedures and b) he didn't want anyone on the boat until the following afternoon.

So why did he report her missing to LE, allegedly with the theory she'd fallen overboard, under what circumstances does that make sense? That is less clear. Did he hope that by contacting local LE, he wouldn't ever have to call Coast Guard? Does it make him look like a concerned boyfriend? Did he actually know already she was the victim of a crime? Was he told to do it by a lawyer who doesn't know overboard procedures?

JMO
 
  • #354
RSBM
Why would someone highly trained in correct procedure fail to implement it, not calling on the neighbour boat to help search, and then delaying notifying coast guard for hours?

IMO it suggests a) he wasn't in a state of mind to implement those search procedures and b) he didn't want anyone on the boat until the following afternoon.

So why did he report her missing to LE, allegedly with the theory she'd fallen overboard, under what circumstances does that make sense? That is less clear. Did he hope that by contacting local LE, he wouldn't ever have to call Coast Guard? Does it make him look like a concerned boyfriend? Did he actually know already she was the victim of a crime? Was he told to do it by a lawyer who doesn't know overboard procedures?

JMO
Shout out to your neighbors! Alert them to the situation! Call the Coast Guard or ask a neighbor to do it! Call LE! Shout her name! Turn on the lights! Be loud!

Or call 911, contact your lawyer, wait for hours, don't tell the neighboring boats, and finally contact the Coast Guard.

jmo
 
  • #355
I have a feeling Sarm may not have returned to the boat at all.

This is the waste management company website, press release about the operation hours:
RESUMPTION OF REGULAR HOURS OF OPERATION AT THE VIWMA SOLID WASTE FACILITIES


And this press release is about that specific area:
VIRGIN ISLANDS WASTE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY TO CLOSE GREAT CRUZ BAY BIN SITE


(St. John) February 26, 2021 - The Virgin Islands Waste Management Authority (VIWMA) advises residents on St. John who utilize the residential bin site located at Great Cruz Bay that this site will be permanently closed effective March 15, 2021. Area residents are encouraged to dispose of their household trash at the Pine Peace bin location where an additional 20 yard bin will be placed to accommodate this change.
 
  • #356
A coast guard check for boat safety has Nothing to do with examining a potential crime scene. Zip, Nada.
When examining, they are checking for safety features and valid registration paperwork. Ie; how many life jackets, how old are your flares, if your ship to shore radio works and is on the right channel. That kind of stuff.
Even if they saw blood, one could say, oh I caught a fish earlier. They have no forensic equipment.
It's obvious to me that he wouldn't mind the coast guard showing up but, would mind the police boarding.


Would they check alcohol levels of captain? Like police does routinely? He said they drank alcohol in the evening, how much alcohol did he have?
 
  • #357
Would they check alcohol levels of captain? Like police does routinely? He said they drank alcohol in the evening, how much alcohol did he have?

Also, how much alcohol can a captain drink, is there any limits officially?
I know everyone who knows the area says lots of drinking involved but as a captain with staff onboard, are there regulations?
 
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My hypothetical scenarios are:

A) She might never have returned onto the boat.

B) If she returned to the boat then something could have happened around 2.30 when someone would have needed to use the boat or dinghy for something, that made them afraid someone else might have heard it, so the movements got reported as an event which triggered the anchor alarm.

It’s difficult to know what the truth is:

- The boat was, wasn’t or was even twice searched by the coast guard.
- The boyfriend alerted the coast guard or not at 2.30
- The boyfriend alerted the coast guard only in the morning or alerted only the police that morning.
- Did they have a happy, loving relationship or was more stress starting to emerge?
- Did one of them had a temper issue? Well, we seem to have some answer to that.
- Did one of them had a substance abuse issue? (alcohol, [il]legal drugs) Or if not a real issue, would just seem if one of them was drinking they personality/temper would change drastically from alcohol or from using another substance?
- Why would an experienced captain all of a sudden throw safety procedures over board?

I mean everything is clear as mud... and we have more questions than answers. I know I do. Hopefully the FBI will be able to clear up this mess.

All IMO and hypothetical as no one was named a POI yet
 
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