US Virgin Is - Sarm Joan Lillian Heslop, 41, British, aboard vessel Siren Song, St. John, 7 Mar 2021

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  • #281
We're assuming SH was on the boat circa 2.30am because that's what the guy is saying?

There isn't a single third-party witness that knows she made it to the boat from the restaurant?
 
  • #282
There was some confusion about which restaurant they went to, and I don't know whether that has been established yet. However I did read somewhere that one of the two places mentioned was 6 miles away. So it would make sense to take the dinghy.

Also regarding the question about oars....on one of the tour sites for this cat, it is stated that the dinghy is 13 feet long and has a 60 HP motor. Easy to take out to open waters, or anywhere along secluded spots along the shoreline.
 
  • #283
We're assuming SH was on the boat circa 2.30am because that's what the guy is saying?

There isn't a single third-party witness that knows she made it to the boat from the restaurant?
As far as we know, no. The people in another boat saw her on deck in the afternoon, evening.....not after returning from the restaurant.

I would like to know what their demeanor was on leaving the restaurant. Apparently locals, (or restaurant personnel) saw them leaving around 10 pm, according to one of the reports.
 
  • #284
As far as we know, no. The people in another boat saw her on deck in the afternoon, evening.....not after returning from the restaurant.

I would like to know what their demeanor was on leaving the restaurant. Apparently locals, (or restaurant personnel) saw them leaving around 10 pm, according to one of the reports.

Thank you for clarifying for me.

If he has access to a car on the island, or any property on the island, there's a decent 50% chance that whatever happened was onshore.
 
  • #285
We're assuming SH was on the boat circa 2.30am because that's what the guy is saying?

There isn't a single third-party witness that knows she made it to the boat from the restaurant?
There's nothing in msm so far stating Sarm was ever seen again after walking out of the restaurant. And the only timeline we have right now from sources other than RB himself is:
RB and Sarm left the restaurant at 10 pm.
RB called USVIPD at 2:30 am.
RB contacted the Coast Guard at 11:46 am.

Everything else in the timeline, including the anchor alarm, is based solely on what RB has said. We don't even know what restaurant they went to and whether others dined with them.
 
  • #286
There's nothing in msm so far stating Sarm was ever seen again after walking out of the restaurant. And the only timeline we have right now from sources other than RB himself is:
RB and Sarm left the restaurant at 10 pm.
RB called USVIPD at 2:30 am.
RB contacted the Coast Guard at 11:46 am.

Everything else in the timeline, including the anchor alarm, is based solely on what RB has said. We don't even know what restaurant they went to and whether others dined with them.

If it's him, then I'm sure the malignant narcissism is enjoying this fact.
 
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  • #287
We're assuming SH was on the boat circa 2.30am because that's what the guy is saying?

There isn't a single third-party witness that knows she made it to the boat from the restaurant?
Exactly.
 
  • #288
Thank you for clarifying for me.

If he has access to a car on the island, or any property on the island, there's a decent 50% chance that whatever happened was onshore.

I read somewhere that his boat charter business has an office on the island. I'll dredge up a definitive source for that later this evening when I have more time.
 
  • #289
Is this the same part of the world that Jeffrey Epstein had his residence?
 
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If anyone is curious about what it looks like on this eye-wateringly expensive boat, there are lots of good pics here (complete with different 'chef'):

SIREN SONG - CharterGuru BVI
 
  • #292
If there is indeed no independent verification that she made it back to the boat alive after dinner, there’s a very good chance that she is on land. If so, why is he refusing to let them search the boat? Does he have something else to hide?

From the article:
Boyfriend of missing Sarm Heslop was previously arrested for domestic violence | Daily Mail Online

'beat her up 100 times'

Sadly, I think we know where this is heading. Since they had been to dinner, and likely drinking, that probably exacerbated his bad behavior, especially if he is as quick to temper as his ex reveals. Unreal that a man can be so vicious to a woman in his past, and still be allowed to cruise around the Caribbean on a freaking yacht doing it to other women! :mad:

What better place to be able to freely beat a woman than on a boat in the ocean? No witnesses, no way for her to get away and no pesky courts to hold him accountable. She would be completely at his mercy and probably afraid of him even during the times they were away from the boat.

Abusers don’t just hit with their fists, they manipulate, degrade, demean and control to the point their victim feels helpless and hopelessly trapped. If he beat his ex-wife “100 times” it’s not as if he only does it once in a while. It’s a way of life for him.
MOO
 
  • #293
If there is indeed no independent verification that she made it back to the boat alive after dinner, there’s a very good chance that she is on land. If so, why is he refusing to let them search the boat? Does he have something else to hide?



What better place to be able to freely beat a woman than on a boat in the ocean? No witnesses, no way for her to get away and no pesky courts to hold him accountable. She would be completely at his mercy and probably afraid of him even during the times they were away from the boat.

Abusers don’t just hit with their fists, they manipulate, degrade, demean and control to the point their victim feels helpless and hopelessly trapped. If he beat his ex-wife “100 times” it’s not as if he only does it once in a while. It’s a way of life for him.
MOO

Well it’s a great distraction, that’s for sure. “No you can’t look at my boat.” “Ah see the boat *must* be a crime scene then.” And perhaps something else is going on stage-left.
 
  • #294
IF she fell in the water where they were anchored and drowned in the relatively shallow and clear water, she'd have been found by now.
Imo.
The boyfriend's past is so concerning.
I'm sorry Sarm met up with him in the first place !
MOO
 
  • #295
It does make me wonder why Sarm left the first time, last October. Perhaps she had always planned to, perhaps not.
 
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  • #297
My partner and I were talking about this case the other day. He grew up with boats, got his first boat years before his first car - but he’s used to little day boats/ribs you use to get from a to b or go fishing, his mum and aunt and uncle are the ones who sail in sailboats/yachts.
I gave him an outline of the description of what the boyfriend said happened. My partner, although admittedly not familiar with this type of boat or anchor alarms, said if he heard the anchor alarm and I wasn’t on board he would assume I had gone over and was either struggling to hold onto/climb the chain in strong currents or had been messing about with it (ie pulled it up) and got caught in it as it’s gone back down. He said the first thing he would do in that circumstance is call out for me. If he didn’t hear a reply he would have had a torch out and the anchor up to check it wasn’t me setting off the alarm. Then he would have called the coastguard and roused other boats/got people out searching the bay by torchlight in their dinghies. He not once said that calling the police would be high up on his emergency checklist - the coastguard would be the first point of call and a massive priority (in his home country anyway). They are the ones with the resources to properly search at sea.
He is not a trained/professional sailor, so this explanation may vary a bit from proper protocols, but where he is from boats are a way of life and I figured his thoughts may provide another what would a ‘reasonable man’ do? type approach to measure against, especially considering the boyfriend is supposed to be a captain by profession.
The main takeaway I have from what he said (and he said this is hugely suspicious to him) is that NOT calling the coastguard until 10 or so hours later in a MO situation is super weird. If you wanted the missing person to be found you would call the coastguard ASAP, not leave it until after you’ve had a good nights sleep, breakfast, and done your morning chores!! JMO, of course.

Upthread, someone mentioned sharks. In the first days I thought that was a possibility, especially with the reported scream - could have gone overboard, been splashing/swimming and attracted a predator, was attacked and killed by the shark or drowned as a result of injuries sustained during it. I may be wrong, but I believe bull and tiger sharks are in that general region, and the former certainly hang around shore areas (they can even tolerate freshwater and go up river/hang in estuaries if I remember correctly) and the latter I recall to be nocturnal predators. Both species have been known to attack people.
Then I found the bay on Google maps. it looks to be really quite shallow, the waters are transparent, and it looks to be largely sandy bottomed rather than reef. I mention this as sharks tend to hunt, when they can, where there is an abundant food source - if there are reefs in the area it’s more likely they would cruise/hunt in those areas. Also, controversial as this may be, there is quite substantial support for the idea sharks are not generally man-eaters, they attack thinking we are a plump blubber-filled seal and having had a taste bite they usually leave the rest, because we don’t taste like what they were expecting. Unfortunately, the taste bite is often fatal. I raise this as I think, in those crystal clear waters, if she had fallen off the boat and been attacked by a shark there would be clothing, or other remnants, visible where they sank. I also think the dog walker would have heard multiple screams and thrashing water if that was the case.

If Sarm went overboard farther out to sea then that theory falls flat, it’s highly unlikely that any remains or evidence would ever be found - shark or no shark.

I would note that I am an avid scuba diver and, having said all of the above, I would never now go for a twilight or night swim in bull/tiger (and other) shark areas regardless of where I figured their hunting grounds were likely to be! Until you night dive you don’t realise how lively things are down there at all hours of the day and night!

As ever, all the above is JMO, but been lurking and figured I’d add my thoughts! Very much hope Sarm is found safe and well, but sadly feel at this stage it is unlikely and we may instead have to focus on justice being served. My biggest concern with this case, which seems to be shared by fellow sleuthers, is that at present there is only the circumstantial suggestion of a crime - not the hard evidence needed for a court of law. For the sake of Sarm’s friends and family I hope the truth emerges and they are able to get some measure of closure.
 
  • #298
I would also add, I’m the party-mad social butterfly (pre-COVID) of the pair of us. My partner said his first thought would have instantly been MO, that boating is dangerous and you always have to think worst case scenario. MO is most likely if someone is missing from a boat, and increasingly probable where alcohol is involved (a guy left a nearby bar and slipped whilst trying to board his boat, hit his head and drowned by the docks at our holiday home some years before my partner acquired it - it happens unfortunately). Even if we had had an argument and/or I was super tipsy, he said he knows I wouldn’t hop onto someone’s boat and go party in the middle of the night without taking my handbag/purse/phone and leaving a note or sending a text to say where I had gone. I had to admit that if I was really annoyed I would say I had gone, but probably not where to! He said, if he were in the same position, whilst he would be desperately hoping for any scenario in which I was still alive, he wouldn’t be publicly theorising (or having his friends publicly theorise on his behalf) that I was whooping it up somewhere all carefree - he would be going crazy trying to find me and figure out what happened as well as keeping my family up to date with local developments. He’s quite an introvert, a quiet, shy guy - he would normally hate any publicity, but he would absolutely engage with the police and media if a loved one was missing.

From what we are hearing in the media, and what most reasonable people would do in the same situation, something is very hicky about the boyfriend, especially given his past, IMO.
 
  • #299
Great posts @SouthPark - getting insights from both you and your SO are very helpful and shed some real perspective on the situation.

I had another thought in the early hours of yesterday evening, and wanted to ask of those who are more familiar with the area or the lifestyle, is modern piracy a genuine threat? Is this a serious consideration or a little too left-field?

Pretty impossible to glean anything on this case given the few facts and little evidence we are seeing.
 
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  • #300
On Sarm's search FB page, <look for comments> from JCJ, one of the friends actively participating in the search and who has interviewed several times by MSM:

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