Found Deceased UT-5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley Found Deceased (UNCLE ARRESTED) #4

[FleurQualia]

I know what grandpa said & a lot of posters do think this was revenge towards the family. I don’t. I think it was about Alex’s immediate needs & the murder was because, well, what else was he gonna do? He was going down one way or the other. Moo
I can’t see why he’d be envious of his sister. Help me understand (if you know) this thought.

BBM

I agree with you there, I have no reason to believe he'd be envious of her. My thought was along the lines of him having such a short fuse that anything minor she said or did could've set him off.

But I am leaning more towards what you're thinking. He had an urge, saw an oppurtunity, and did it just because he wanted to.

 

[otto]

Prosecutors take death penalty off table in Lizzy Shelley case, Salt Lake DA weighs in

This is a very well done article about using the death penalty as a "bargaining chip", I can see both sides of this. And what ramifications does this have for states that do not have a death penalty?

I assume there are several bargaining chips available to prosecutors dealing with violent criminals. Places without the death penalty also achieve confessions.

 

[GordianKnot]

RaeAnn Christensen on Twitter
short clip at Link

Members of @LoganCityFire coming the home of #LizzyShelley bringing items to the memorial for her. @KUTV2News

This is an incredibly moving scene. Thank you for posting this.

It is good to see good people doing good things.

The Logan community can and should be immensely proud of their LE and FD personnel.

These hard-working public servants have shown themselves to be not only consummate professionals, but caring and compassionate human beings as well.

"The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

JMO.

 

[MsMarple]

https://ksltv.com/415077/police-warn-public-to-be-aware-of-fake-lizzy-shelley-donation-accounts/

Thanks for posting this! I'm surprised that a local funeral home hasn't offered to cover burial expenses as we've seen in other cases. The "official" fundraiser doesn't say what they'll do with excess funds. Maybe buy a nice headstone?

There have been so many scam fundraisers in the last dozen or so of cases I've followed. I guess there's not much that can be done other than caveat emptor.

 

[PaulaDC]

I think Alex & many other young men would reap benefit from 3-5 year prison sentences rather than probation for lesser offenses. 3-5 with mandatory program participation such as substance abuse & anger management. Scare these guys straight when they steal cars, beat their SO, lead LE on high speed chases, etc. don’t slap their hands & send them back on the streets. 3-5 years in state prison might be enough to show a few of them they need to change. 3-5 is not that long, they can get a job skill & learn discipline & respect, two things many lack, imo.
Recidivism rates will not improve if there’s nothing to deter these guys. They go from one crime to the next.

Problem is there are no programs in prison. Not all prisons are created equal. When they get out if they get a job in pre-release it's a job through the prison system at minimum wage. Then 90% of those earnings goes back to the state for room and board, court court fees, child support etc. When they get out they're still obligated to pay those exorbitant fees that are practically impossible to pay along with trying to get their lives in order. Saving to start all over from nothing is rough. They make failure the norm so it's just a viscious cycle. I do not feel sorry for them but our system is one giant failure.

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

I know what grandpa said & a lot of posters do think this was revenge towards the family. I don’t. I think it was about Alex’s immediate needs & the murder was because, well, what else was he gonna do? He was going down one way or the other. Moo
I can’t see why he’d be envious of his sister. Help me understand (if you know) this thought.

Agree completely! I think he’s a selfish depraved psycho who saw an opportunity and took it. I just wish there would have been some sort of intervention before he escalated to this. That poor child died because of so many preventable failures MOO

 

[lucylulu]

This is an incredibly moving scene. Thank you for posting this.
For anyone who hasn't yet watched this, it's worth taking a moment to look.

It is good to see good people doing good things.

The Logan community can and should be immensely proud of their LE and FD personnel.

These hard-working public servants have shown themselves to be not only consummate professionals, but caring and compassionate human beings.

"The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

JMO.

 

[Trudie]

Problem is there are no programs in prison. Not all prisons are created equal. When they get out if they get a job in pre-release it's a job through the prison system at minimum wage. Then 90% of those earnings goes back to the state for room and board, court court fees, child support etc. When they get out they're still obligated to pay those exorbitant fees that are practically impossible to pay along with trying to get their lives in order. Saving to start all over from nothing is rough. They make failure the norm so it's just a viscious cycle. I do not feel sorry for them but our system is one giant failure.

Every prison I’ve researched offer plenty of programs.
Utah offers them. Link on page 1. Heck, once he gets settled, he can do arts & crafts. I mean provided he behaves.

 

[mickey2942]

Keep him locked up, especially when violating parole.
How they let someone out,and get away with violating parole is unacceptable.

There is so much over crowding now in the prison system that petty thieves and druggies are at the bottom of the list for parole violations. I recently read that in Utah, the prison is letting non violent offenders go, to make room for violent offenders. More room for people like AW, he now "rates" a room at the prison.

 

[Alexsea]

I’ve been holding it together, and silently trying to gracefully accept the outcome for my own sanity, but this really got me. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Trudie]

Agree completely! I think he’s a selfish depraved psycho who saw an opportunity and took it. I just wish there would have been some sort of intervention before he escalated to this. That poor child died because of so many preventable failures MOO

Yes, it’s too bad they didn’t catch him riding his board & catch him on his warrants. Too late now.
Had he been imprisoned on the original charges, he would have benefitted as well, imo. Maybe he wouldn’t get help or apply himself to classes but he sure the heck would have
dried out & had some responsibility, that prison PA system blaring in his cell early every morning would have him up and at it.

 

[Ebeccare]

I know what grandpa said & a lot of posters do think this was revenge towards the family. I don’t. I think it was about Alex’s immediate needs & the murder was because, well, what else was he gonna do? He was going down one way or the other. Moo
I can’t see why he’d be envious of his sister. Help me understand (if you know) this thought.

I'm one of those who speculated that he could have been envious. I don't know if it added to motive. But I've seen people with anger issues rage at the world, angry that others have things they don't. His sister had a boyfriend who loves her, children, a life. Sometimes narcissistic people get angry and lash out because they don't think it's at all fair and therefore decide they want to "even the playing field"to make others as miserable as they are. To punish others for their "good fortune."

I'm not at all saying that I think that was Alex's motive, because I have no idea. I don't think we know much at all yet of what his inner workings are really like. But it certainly seems like his history of family issues feed into his issues/psychosis/whatever it is.

 

[otto]

Problem is there are no programs in prison. Not all prisons are created equal. When they get out if they get a job in pre-release it's a job through the prison system at minimum wage. Then 90% of those earnings goes back to the state for room and board, court court fees, child support etc. When they get out they're still obligated to pay those exorbitant fees that are practically impossible to pay along with trying to get their lives in order. Saving to start all over from nothing is rough. They make failure the norm so it's just a viscious cycle. I do not feel sorry for them but our system is one giant failure.

The suspect in this case has an escalating history of violence and criminal activity, and society should be permanently protected. It is most humane to keep him comfortable yet encaged for life, capital punishment is most immediate with the same outcome.

<modsnip: victim blaming is not allowed>

 

[Trudie]

His sister had a boyfriend who loves her, children, a life.

Thanks. I didn’t consider Alex wanted kids or responsibilities.
I do think we’ll learn a lot more in the near future.

seems they can't differentiate between good and bad attention.

no, attention is attention. Stay strong, good luck.

 

[otto]

I guess that means he won't get the death penalty, but since he was considered for the death penalty he will be locked up for life. Killing a family member who is a young girl is not forgivable. It will probably cost a lot of money to keep him alive and institutionalized while he gets old.

 

[Seattle1]

Copy of the 911 call:

‘We woke up and the front door’s wide open’ – Listen to the 911 call placed after Elizabeth Shelley’s disappearance

I was surprised to hear DB so responsive -- he knew all the answers without hesitation including Lizzy's dob, ht, wt, etc.

Also, according to DB, Alex had been staying at step-mom's, and they called her before 911 to confirm Alex was not there.

This family is living their worst nightmare. Condolences to family of friends of Lizzy.

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

I guess that means he won't get the death penalty, but since he was considered for the death penalty he will be locked up for life. Killing a family member who is a young girl is not forgivable. It will probably cost a lot of money to keep him alive and institutionalized while he gets old.

That’s what P’s me off though... our governments (so basically us) spend millions and millions that’d be better spent so many other places to keep child killers, rapists and whatever other criminals confined in a prison for the rest of their lives, when LWOP means they’ll never see outside of those walls again, for what?? I’m not necessarily for the death penalty either, not because I feel it’s inhumane but because I feel it’s a cop out after the depravity of some of their crimes. I don’t have a solution for this but what a waste of funds....

 

[Seattle1]

Therefore the question about FAS. Something is off with him, yet he has so many chances. Why does he have extra chances, a mental defect? Maybe he's just lucky when it comes to getting away with breaking the law, so lucky that he escalated to murder.

I think his multiple chances in part were due to prison overcrowding, and also that for the most part, he was a petty criminal. We know he was compliant with probation for at least a year before he failed to appear. MOO

 

[otto]

It does sound like the situation escalated quickly from having a tantrum and vandalism at mom's house to surreptitiously kidnapping and murdering a niece.

Why was he so angry prior to the murder?

 

[otto]

Who was where ?
The uncle took the child from her bedroom.
He left her body down a dark path.

Prior to murdering the child, he was angry and vandalized his mother's house. Why was he so angry earlier in the day?