Identified! UT - Beaver Co., WhtFem UP12045, 18-40, on train, Jan'14 - Amber Brown

[reasypeasy]

I spent several years living almost on top of a set of four trainlines that run through part of my town. One was the freight line. The freight train would usually have to stop to wait for instructions and allow commuter trains through a junction just up the line, same with commuter trains they would often have to stop and let a freight train through. It was all controlled from somewhere central I think, and the red/green lights on the track were a backup system to make sure nothing stupid happened. Anyway, freight trains being long things, the train usually stopped so it was under several bridges while it waited. Those bridges had different construction methods, designs etc. I wouldn't say it was impossible that somewhere there is a bridge over a railway that offers a hidden spot to wait with body... maybe requiring that a chain and lock be cut to gain access to a maintenance area?

 

[Sleuthster]

Looking at those albums I am seeing multiple pics of people with tats on their back in the same area, including Mr. Highwayman. Also, lots of bad teeth, dirty clothes, etc, etc

 

[FiveFelines]

Looking at those albums I am seeing multiple pics of people with tats on their back in the same area, including Mr. Highwayman. Also, lots of bad teeth, dirty clothes, etc, etc

That's why I was so hip on this theory last night! They're mostly dirty, unkempt, tattooed and pierced. My guess is that they don't want to think she's one of them. It's interesting to that their first impression was "homeless drug addict"--because that was my initial thought until I starting looking into the train hopping thing.

 

[laytonian]

I wouldn't say it was impossible that somewhere there is a bridge over a railway that offers a hidden spot to wait with body... maybe requiring that a chain and lock be cut to gain access to a maintenance area?

Just drop the body off any highway bridge, preferably in the middle of the night.

That also exists right where the body was found: Milford, Utah. I suspect the body was spotted on top of the train car, because someone saw it while driving over that bridge. (Very familiar with that area.)

 

[EmmaliLucia]

So here's the thing:

When people are homeless, they don't tend to pack their clothes in their bags, they tend to wear it all at once.

So let's say that her little booty shorts and yoga pants were for the beach or the sunny days, then she had however many layers on on top of those, she was wearing shoes, and a shirt, and a jacket, and coats, and had a backpack and possibly even a pitbull depending on how stereotypical you'd like to get right now.

Let's say she was squatting with a friend or two, maybe her friend was her size or her friend had a girlfriend her size. Somehow on the train she ends up dying, the friend freaks out, but realizes "Wait, I want her stuff." So they take her belongings, including even the shirt off her back, possibly her dog, and hop off the train at the nearest town they can find (It had no stops apparently, but trains do slow down enough to jump off of in the cities). Then however many hours later she was found.

That explains the lack of rust (It would be on her outerwear), how she didn't fall off, and what she was doing on top of the train.

 

[Reyire Alexander]

Looking at those albums I am seeing multiple pics of people with tats on their back in the same area, including Mr. Highwayman. Also, lots of bad teeth, dirty clothes, etc, etc

I was thinking maybe the people on the forum don't know what is or isn't a result of her death, ie lividity or sunburn/exposure. Maybe she hates dentists and likes soda and candy? As for her being unshaven, its winter so many girls just wear pants and dont worry about body hair too much. It also occured to me her outfit seems like the kind of thing someone might wear around the house to clean or lounge in, and that might explain the lack of shoes as well, in comparision to the dump theory anyways. But yeee, IDK why everyone is so quick to disown her, but maybe my non-train hopping life prevents me from seeing what the huge difference is.

 

[astridxx]

I googled meth teeth and one of the pix is spot on with her teeth..


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[reasypeasy]

Just drop the body off any highway bridge, preferably in the middle of the night.

That also exists right where the body was found: Milford, Utah. I suspect the body was spotted on top of the train car, because someone saw it while driving over that bridge. (Very familiar with that area.)

The problem, I guess, isn't finding a bridge where the drop-off is possible... but finding a bridge where it is possible discreetly? Things that happen on bridges tend to be hard to hide.

 

[astridxx]

The four or five overpasses I found were mainly located in very very small towns along that route. A highway seemed to run parallel to the route except thru the mountains. It's very possible it was dropped. She may not have been a hiker like we've seen on STP, probably simply a transient who had money and a family once.


Also, the responses on STP are SO great!! It's nice to get some outside opinions on this.

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[Sleuthster]

I think we may be intimidating to them. I saw a show recently about the homeless as well as squatters who have dropped out of society by choice in Las Vegas. There are these underground tunnels that they live in under Las Vegas Blvd. Anyways, they don't trust outsiders and think some could be LE. Some may be runaways from the law. Never the less, I think they're just not trusting towards us, like highwayman, and might wonder if we have ulterior motives to find out who knows this girl and maybe they're involved. Just a thought.

Edit-they may also be distancing themselves from our doe because of the possible drug use and LE coming after them because some may be drug users also or people looking down at them because they're like her in their eyes.

 

[Sleuthster]

I googled meth teeth and one of the pix is spot on with her teeth..


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I think that's why namus showed her bottom teeth in that pic IMO

 

[Reyire Alexander]

You'll have to excuse me if my posts seem rambly, I have ADD and also sometimes typing on my phone keyboard takes awhile. Mainly I'm just thinking out loud when I post. But Astridxx you seem to have gotten more people interested in the UID and that's great news!

 

[astridxx]

My next step is posting a pic of the tattoo on Instagram


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[EmmaliLucia]

Has anyone reverse image searched just the peace sign?

 

[FiveFelines]

I kind of love that Highwayman is now invested in this, whether he admits it or not! He has some good thoughts, actually.

 

[EmmaliLucia]

Have we talked about Ashley Shaner before?

I'd like to mention her again, I know she has another tattoos but it's not terribly uncommon for someone to do a little "Home removal" of their own.

I just can't get over the fact that she has a pot leaf AND a peace sign on her back/shoulder. I mean, that's pretty much exactly what our Doe has.

Ashley

I guess her nose and shape of her face is off, but the almost identical tattoos bother me.

 

[Sleuthster]

Highway man is even saying "where's her gear" and shoes. He's starting to warm up to you lol. He's trusting you. I'm glad because he does seem pretty knowledgeable.

Edit- I said that about the fingerprints too! I like him. Seriously, my dd's friend has been picked up so many times and fingerprinted I can't count the times. Trespassing, weed, resisting w/o violence, etc. I would be surprised if our doe hasn't.

 

[FiveFelines]

Have we talked about Ashley Shaner before?

I'd like to mention her again, I know she has another tattoos but it's not terribly uncommon for someone to do a little "Home removal" of their own.

I just can't get over the fact that she has a pot leaf AND a peace sign on her back/shoulder. I mean, that's pretty much exactly what our Doe has.

Ashley

I guess her nose and shape of her face is off, but the almost identical tattoos bother me.

We did discuss her but she has since been added to the Ruleouts on Namus. She's the only one ruled out so far.

 

[CarlK90245]

Have we talked about Ashley Shaner before?

I'd like to mention her again, I know she has another tattoos but it's not terribly uncommon for someone to do a little "Home removal" of their own.

I just can't get over the fact that she has a pot leaf AND a peace sign on her back/shoulder. I mean, that's pretty much exactly what our Doe has.

Ashley

I guess her nose and shape of her face is off, but the almost identical tattoos bother me.

She has several tattoos. It is very unlikely that the "Dillon" on her arm, the stars on her ribcages, the four-leaf-clover, and the two linking hearts with the initials "KGF/BLF", were all removed with no detectable remnants left behind, and replaced with the one on her back.

She does look like our Jane Doe though. She was one of the first possibles who caught my eye.

Jessica Heeringa also caught my eye, and she has a peace sign tattoo. But it is on her ankle.

 

[astridxx]

Highway man is even saying "where's her gear" and shoes. He's starting to warm up to you lol. He's trusting you. I'm glad because he does seem pretty knowledgeable.

Edit- I said that about the fingerprints too! I like him. Seriously, my dd's friend has been picked up so many times and fingerprinted I can't count the times. Trespassing, weed, resisting w/o violence, etc. I would be surprised if our doe hasn't.

Just you wait -- I'm gonna get him over here to our side


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