UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #2

[Cubby]

point taken! and Ethan did say he didn't want to go.
Out of the mouths of babes. Kids that age don't fabricate fear do they?:waitasec:

ho hum... I think I feel a lil sick now that I just wrote that. :furious:

I understood your post and thought process... this is a lot to absorb and try to make any sense of such a senseless act of violence.

I don't know how long it had been since Ethan saw his ED last.
If it had been since October of 09 when she abandoned Ethan and his dad it is likely he didn't want to go because he felt secure with his dad knowing it was daddy there every day and every night to take care of his needs. Not necessarily fear of abuse.... IYKWIM.

Lots of times, at 4 my son didn't want to go somewhere but was fine once he was there.... at those moments he didn't want to go it was more he just wanted to stay in his comfort zone, not that things were not safe.

JMO

 

[Calliope]

point taken! and Ethan did say he didn't want to go.
Out of the mouths of babes. Kids that age don't fabricate fear do they?:waitasec:

ho hum... I think I feel a lil sick now that I just wrote that. :furious:

This whole case makes me sick.

In the probable cause affidavit, she also claims she didn't call police because NS told her she'd go to prison. She was trying to save her own hide, just as she was doing when she made up this fictitious "Frank".

It's documented several occasions over the period of the last week of Ethan's life where she could have gotten help and been protected from NS, if she was truly afraid of him and truly concerned about what he was doing to little Ethan. She could have texted the police while taking cell photos. During her shopping trips she could have simply gone to the police. She could have run screaming from the apartment while others were around outside. She could have told the court officers when she married this . When interviewed separately in the presence of police officers who would have protected her and taken NS immediately into custody, she could have told them NS killed Ethan and buried and desecrated his body. But no. It wasn't until LE caught her (and NS) in multiple lies did either of them finally tell what happened to Ethan.

Most significantly, if she was being abused by NS and knew he was a violent person, she could have simply refused to take Ethan in the first place. IF she even suspected NS was as violent as he turned out to be and yet allowed her child into his presence, she's an accomplice. JMO.

 

[DairyGirl]

I understand what you're saying and normally I'd agree, at least to some extent. However after viewing those photos and reading both affidavits I agree with the police. She was involved in this and not simply afraid of NS.

I agree. I just cannot for the life of me think of any situation where it is understandable for her not to get help for her own flesh and blood unless she just plain wanted to be rid of him, too. There is no excuse, no understanding. She gave birth to him and yet she stood by while he was being beaten and then went to sleep? Does not sound like she was afraid if she could go to sleep. She went to the store and received a call that he had been scalded. Why didn't she bring LE home with her? I would not be surprised to learn that she participated in the beatings, too. She was not afraid for her life. She had plenty of opportunities to get help and he would have been in jail and she (and her son) would have been safe.

 

[Calliope]

If Steph wasn't documenting the abuse on cell phone for future protection - why would she do such a thing? Does anyone think she was proud of seeing her son's demise? This couple defies all logic, so I'm trying to get a hold on her methodical pictures of abuse. Yikes!

Pure selfishness on her part, IMO. She had to know that Ethan was going to suffer long-term effects even if she didn't know he'd end up dead, she had to know that Ethan would tell his Daddy or someone what they had done to him, she had to know that at least by the end of his visit Ethan's father would know that Ethan had been abused. She knew that at some point the police would be involved. IMO, the cell photos were CYA on her part, and she'd already concocted a way to toss NS under the bus if it came down to her precious little butt being in the sling.

 

[eyes4crime]

I really wish I wouldn't come to this site...stories like this leave me feeling so defeated and disgusted w/society. I don't get it...how???why?? I have an almost 4 year old and that smile on Ethans face reminds of my sons..they are so happy at this age...I just don't get it..I am sick to my stomachand I honestly don't know what purpose these 2 "people" would have being on this earth. Poor baby Ethan.

I see that you are new here at Websleuths - Welcome! This senseless destruction of a beautiful child by two sick people does leave one with wondering how and why they ever found their way to Planet Earth. The case of Robert Manwill and little Aja are in this same category of senseless and brutal crimes. How wonderful that your sons are so happy - that helps to offset the crazy stuff you find here. moo

 

[Calliope]

I keep thinking about what BeanE said of poor little Ethan "fragmenting". It's true. Their abuse and torture pushed him over the edge. A four year old little boy who suffered not only horrendous physical abuses, but a mental and emotional breakdown as well.

This is making me so furious and ill I want to walk away. But little Ethan couldn't walk away.

Systematically tortured and terrorized to the point he broke down physically, mentally and emotionally in a period of a week. All while SS watched and took photos to save her own .

 

[DairyGirl]

What gets me is that the wanted to make sure he wouldn't be identified. How many missing 4 year olds did they think he would be mistaken for? They may have gotten away with it if they didn't confess. I guess we can be glad for that.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

bbm

I was thinking something similar when I saw the photo of her holding another little boy.

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111243

How are you all seeing the pictures? I get a page saying a password is needed. Does someone know the password? If so, could you share it? Thanks!

 

[eyes4crime]

I keep thinking about what BeanE said of poor little Ethan "fragmenting". It's true. Their abuse and torture pushed him over the edge. A four year old little boy who suffered not only horrendous physical abuses, but a mental and emotional breakdown as well.

This is making me so furious and ill I want to walk away. But little Ethan couldn't walk away.

Systematically tortured and terrorized to the point he broke down physically, mentally and emotionally in a period of a week. All while SS watched and took photos to save her own .

Could it be that she took pictures of the effects the torture had on her son and enjoyed it? A history of the slow demise of her son before her eyes, in stages. That thought almost defies my imagination. Do you think the pics were like a trophy for her? Yikes!

 

[gngr~snap]

How are you all seeing the pictures? I get a page saying a password is needed. Does someone know the password? If so, could you share it? Thanks!

post 288 and 293 I think?

 

[Cubby]

I see that you are new here at Websleuths - Welcome! This senseless destruction of a beautiful child by two sick people does leave one with wondering how and why they ever found their way to Planet Earth. The case of Robert Manwill and little Aja are in this same category of senseless and brutal crimes. How wonderful that your sons are so happy - that helps to offset the crazy stuff you find here. moo

Welcome awgoblin.

I agree with the above posts..... I try to think of it being a voice for those who no longer have a voice. As difficult as it is, we have to be a voice for Ethan and others who have lost their lives at the hands of abusive parents or violence..... if only to hopefully save one child from ever suffering such abuse again.

When it boils down to it, imo, there was a time that SS HAD to make a decision, and at time she could not move past her undying love for Nate to save her son. She chose Nate over Ethan and after that point it was too late and things escalated to his death.

Stephanie made that choice and now she and Nate need to face justice for their actions and choices.

Then we have grandparents like the Anthony's or Scott Petersons parents on one hand who 'support' or downplay responsibility for such behavior, and other parents such as Jeffrey Dahmers father who do stand up and voice their childs abhorrent behavior. Time will tell where the cards fall for Ethan or for SS and NS from his maternal side.


JMHO

 

[mrsc72]

I hope these 2 rot. Hope they truly enjoy their honeymoon :furious:

http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15074193

"He was the best little boy that you'd ever meet; he really was. He was a very lovable child, and that's all he wanted, was to love on people all the time," Joe Stacy said through tears. "He was a great boy, and even if he was a bad boy, he didn't deserve this, nobody deserves this, but he was just a good, sweet boy."

 

[Calliope]

Could it be that she took pictures of the effects the torture had on her son and enjoyed it? A history of the slow demise of her son before her eyes, in stages. That thought almost defies my imagination. Do you think the pics were like a trophy for her? Yikes!

Just from what I've read in the affidavits and elsewhere, yeah I do. Dad's stepmother said she used Ethan to *get* to him. She wasn't the only one who called her pure evil, either.

 

[Calliope]

I hope these 2 rot. Hope they truly enjoy their honeymoon :furious:

http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15074193

"He was the best little boy that you'd ever meet; he really was. He was a very lovable child, and that's all he wanted, was to love on people all the time," Joe Stacy said through tears. "He was a great boy, and even if he was a bad boy, he didn't deserve this, nobody deserves this, but he was just a good, sweet boy."

Oh God. Here come the tears again. That poor man

 

[Calliope]

"I just wanted him to grow up where his daddy grew up, in a small town in the mountains," he said Wednesday from Virginia. "Where it was safe."
Instead, 4-year-old Ethan Stacy will return to the town of Richlands for his burial, just more than two weeks after Joe Stacy watched his ex-wife walk away with the boy to whom he had dedicated his life.

Stacy had called his son every day since he came to Utah, and Stephanie Sloop often would call her ex-husband to complain about the boy's behavior, Stacy said. But starting May 5 -- the day charging documents say Nathan Sloop, 31, began abusing Ethan -- his ex-wife kept coming up with reasons the boy couldn't talk to his father. The last call Stacy made was Monday, when Nathan Sloop gave another reason why the boy couldn't talk to his father, Stacy said.

"I never did get a call back," he said.

Stacy said he wanted to keep Ethan away from his mother, whom he called a "pathological liar," but while the court made the oil-rig worker the custodial parent, it also granted summer visitation to Stephanie Sloop.

As part of their divorce, Stacy retained custody as long as he paid her half of a settlement from a pending injury lawsuit he had filed about 18 months ago.
"I would have given her all of it if it meant I was able to keep my son with me," he said.

In the months since their separation, Stacy said Nathan Sloop would send him text messages, some violent.

"I had been threatened over the past six months by him," Stacy said.

Timeline posted in the article:

April 28 » Stephanie Stacy and Joe Stacy finalize their divorce in Florida. She flies with 4-year-old Ethan to Utah to live with her fiancé Nathan Sloop; Joe Stacy travels to Virginia.

May 5 » Stephanie Stacy begins to tell Joe Stacy that Ethan isn't available to talk with him like he had been every day before. Charging documents state this is the day Nathan Sloop begins to abuse Ethan.

May 6 » Stephanie Stacy marries Nathan Sloop two months before their planned wedding date.

May 9 » Ethan dies at his mother and step-father's apartment. They bury him in a shallow grave near Powder Mountain, according to police documents.

May 10 » Just before midnight, Stephanie Sloop calls Layton police, saying her son wandered off and she can't find him.

May 11 » Police spend nearly 12 hours searching the apartment complex and surrounding area before calling off the search, moving it to Powder Mountain. At 5 p.m., Ethan's body is recovered near a trailhead.

May 14 » The Davis County Attorney's Office plans to file charges against Stephanie and Nathan Sloop.

 

[Cubby]

Oh God. Here come the tears again. That poor man

Me too. From the above link.....

Stacy had called his son every day since he came to Utah, and Stephanie Sloop often would call her ex-husband to complain about the boy's behavior, Stacy said. But starting May 5 -- the day charging documents say Nathan Sloop, 31, began abusing Ethan -- his ex-wife kept coming up with reasons the boy couldn't talk to his father. The last call Stacy made was Monday, when Nathan Sloop gave another reason why the boy couldn't talk to his father, Stacy said.
"I never did get a call back," he said.

I saw this coming. I wondered if she allowed a single call from dad once she had Ethan in her custody. I'm surprised he was able to talk to his son at all.

Also from the above link:

As part of their divorce, Stacy retained custody as long as he paid her half of a settlement from a pending injury lawsuit he had filed about 18 months ago.



Just gimme the money honey, you can keep the kid if I get some money - :furious: :furious: :furious:


Can this 'mother' get any worse? Who the hell bargains custody of their child for freaking money? :furious:

Casey Anthony has some stiff competion and right now it looks like Stephanie Sloop is leading the race.

JMHO

 

[pufnstuf]

Wait. The father had to PAY THE MOTHER so that he could keep the child? That makes me hate this woman even MORE.

 

[pufnstuf]

Me too. From the above link.....

Stacy had called his son every day since he came to Utah, and Stephanie Sloop often would call her ex-husband to complain about the boy's behavior, Stacy said. But starting May 5 -- the day charging documents say Nathan Sloop, 31, began abusing Ethan -- his ex-wife kept coming up with reasons the boy couldn't talk to his father. The last call Stacy made was Monday, when Nathan Sloop gave another reason why the boy couldn't talk to his father, Stacy said.
"I never did get a call back," he said.

I saw this coming. I wondered if she allowed a single call from dad once she had Ethan in her custody. I'm surprised he was able to talk to his son at all.

Also from the above link:

As part of their divorce, Stacy retained custody as long as he paid her half of a settlement from a pending injury lawsuit he had filed about 18 months ago.



Just gimme the money honey, you can keep the kid if I get some money - :furious: :furious: :furious:


Can this 'mother' get any worse? Who the hell bargains custody of their child for freaking money? :furious:

Casey Anthony has some stiff competion and right now it looks like Stephanie Sloop is leading the race.

JMHO

This chick makes Casey Anthony look like June Cleaver.

 

[Cubby]

and calling Ethans dad to complain about Ethans behavior? what did she expect from a 4 year old abandoned by his mother, enduring his parents divorcing AND being taken away from the only stability he knew in his life? Undying praise and love for taking a little time to spend with him?

She is more self absorbed than I can fathom. If I wrote what I would like to see happen to her AND Nathan, especially Nathan in the GP I would surely be banned, so use your imagination.... I will add it includes something he put in Ethans mouth. Ok, I think that is as close to TOS as I can say. :furious:

 

[Cubby]

Timeline posted in the article:

April 28 » Stephanie Stacy and Joe Stacy finalize their divorce in Florida. She flies with 4-year-old Ethan to Utah to live with her fiancé Nathan Sloop; Joe Stacy travels to Virginia.

May 5 » Stephanie Stacy begins to tell Joe Stacy that Ethan isn't available to talk with him like he had been every day before. Charging documents state this is the day Nathan Sloop begins to abuse Ethan.

May 6 » Stephanie Stacy marries Nathan Sloop two months before their planned wedding date.

May 9 » Ethan dies at his mother and step-father's apartment. They bury him in a shallow grave near Powder Mountain, according to police documents.

May 10 » Just before midnight, Stephanie Sloop calls Layton police, saying her son wandered off and she can't find him.

May 11 » Police spend nearly 12 hours searching the apartment complex and surrounding area before calling off the search, moving it to Powder Mountain. At 5 p.m., Ethan's body is recovered near a trailhead.

May 14 » The Davis County Attorney's Office plans to file charges against Stephanie and Nathan Sloop.

We need to go back and figure out what day it was the neighbor saw Steph walk out of the apartment. Stop and look back a few times. We need to add that to the timeline. (and I am too tired to look this late, and too po'd to go to sleep right now.)