UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #3

[Cubby]

Both of the former spouses of Nathan and Stephanie Sloop were also fearful for the safety of their children because of the unstable behavior of their exes.

The biological father of Ethan Stacy described his ex-wife Stephanie Sloop as "unstable" and said he feared she would take their son and he'd never see him again.

The former wife of Nathan Sloop described him as mentally unstable, violent, and having multiple personalities — including one personality who becomes extremely angry when criticized. She said she feared for her life and for her daughter's life.

The divorce documents include transcripts of profanity-laced tirades that Nathan Sloop — who prosecutors plan to charge Friday with the murder of his stepson — left in a series of voice mail messages for his former wife, Jennifer Freeman, one day in September.

"I only wish now that I could (expletive) take you out of (their daughter's) life. I am going to do every (expletive) thing possible within my power to take you the (expletive) out of her life (expletive). I don't give a (expletive) if I gotta spend the rest of my (expletive) life in prison. (Expletive) you. I'm coming after your (expletive) throat," he said in one voice mail message.

In another, Nathan Sloop allegedly threatened to kill Freeman's boyfriend "Mike," and then added, "You'll be next in line."

Nathan Sloop left five voice mail messages in less than 20 minutes and six within 90 minutes, according to the court documents.

"He hugs my (expletive) daughter, he comes near my (expletive) daughter, he is (expletive) done. Over," one message said.

Nathan Sloop and Freeman had one daughter together. She turns 6 later this month. The daughter, who was born in Utah


http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...red-couple-accused-in-Ethan-Stacys-death.html

much more at link

what an explosive and deadly combination that little Ethan walked into.

O-M-G This is precisely what needed to come out in the custody case when Joe was seeking custody of Ethan... and keeping his son away from the two monsters who killed him.

HOW!!! HOW- does this kind of information ESCAPE family court when custody of a child is being decided?
My God - this was FORSEEABLE. (sp?)

There are no words. We need to find a way to make sure family courts are AWARE of this so no other child is EVER sent to the death chamber when the courts assign visitation or custody!

 

[Cubby]

Just one more thing to make me FURIOUS!! :furious:

Stress.....right....stress would be letting them loose in general population. Let them know how it feels to try desperately to live!

I'm afraid even the GP with guards looking the other way would not be enough punishment for these two monsters. Only pure slow torture until they were both dead would be justice, but that is not legal in this country.

JMO

 

['Ailina]

yes... it IS! Refer back to that bruise timeline I posted. Not to mention, in my past I have been a school nurse as well as pediatric nurse and involved in abuse cases. This bruise on the 4th of may was PURPLE AND BLACK. That means that he was hit on the left side of his jaw around 1-2 may for it to look like THAT!

Yes, his jaw could have been broken... but my GOD these people allegedly took apart his little face with a HAMMER post mortem. I would argue that it would be to disguise fractures already and previously inflicted. Sorry for them but the post mortem will be able to determine relative timing of those fractures. I am sure any of the older fractures from 1-2 may would have started the re-ossification process that all little people posses. The cellular and microscopic evidence of that would have still been there... if only in fragments-after the post mortem hammer blows.

BTW, I still need to get vetted by Tricia as a professional in my field... but I am one.. and I am headed off to do this now. I am telling you...... these are older bruises with possible fracture... and this was on 4 May.

And this throws Sloop-ma into a WHOLE different area for me if she saw this child in or around the time of injury.

I hope the ME is as thorough as you!! (big thumbs up)

 

[georgiagirl]

Statement from step-mom

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This is what those did to our baby Ethan. I can't believe it. What am i supposed to say to my children? I can't believe this happen. All i can think about is Ethan was alone and no one could reach to him. He couldn't reach out to us. He probably cried for Joe and no one could hear him. Ethan did want to go to Stephanie's he didn't even want to talk to her on the phone. To Stephanie i have always hated you. I hope you rot in hell. If fact I wish Joe and I could slowly kill you. I wish i could beat your head in with a hammer just like you let your so called man do to Ethan. I am just in shock.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=607202124#!/profile.php?id=607202124&v=wall


She also talks about Joe......

I talked to Joe tonight and he wants to thank everyone for all their support! Right now its still to hard for Joe to talk, but he is getting by. Everyone has giving so much support to Joe and our children. Thats so much.

 

[candi123]

So she won't have to tesitfy against him. That is my fear.

Best case scenario, IMO; take them both off of suicide watch, put them in the GP and let true justice be served.

They do need to put them in GP but, tell them where they are going 2 days ahead of time so they will know how it feels to live in fear like this poor child did. IMO

 

[sunflowerchick]

The article about the ex-wife of NS fearing for her life and her child's life helps the wedding page of SS and NS make even more sense. I am firmly convinced now that some of the things that were said were definite digs at the exes as some on here have already claimed.

Also, it definitely shows the frame of mind of NS saying his child was kidnapped when in fact, the ex was keeping her away to protect her. This is the way the mind of a narcissist or someone who is delusional works. It's always someone else's fault. They are always the victim.

 

[eyes4crime]

A little OT- But I just posted a thread in the Crimes in the News forum where a mother and step father have been arrested and charged with abuse of a little 3 yr old girl over a years time. This child is NOT deceased, and the mother in the Chicago case has a higher bond than SS at 400,000. Being a local, I really never thought Chicago - Cook County which is quite liberal and democratic - would be TOUGHER THAN UTAH - but wow! I guess I was wrong.
here is the thread on the Chicago- Humboldt park case if you care to read it.
Humboldt Park 3-year-old beaten, burned, whipped - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Pathetic that this judge in Utah gave such a measly bond for SS..... Shame on him or her! :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

Ohhh Cubby - being from Chicago, I tried to read it and when seeing about the burns, I shut down. Can't take any more torture of children right now - this case is more than I ever expected. I couldn't sleep last night and the time-line becomes a nightmare after a few hours. Thanks for the link! I'll look at it later. And you're right, considering it's Cook County, I'm surprised!

 

[nursebeeme]

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Oh nurse, as a pharmacist I can tell you are a nurse, and a great one at that. Vetted only because Tricia has to keep people from pretending they are something they are not - and your wealth of info says it all. I sent her my license...had to show I was what I claimed to be. Great insight regarding the coffee grounds that may be from a punch in the gut - you are probably right on target. Although I do think he also had a cerebral hemorrage, we will see from the autopsy. When I used to pull up all the drugs at a trauma code, you are exactly the kind of nurse I loved to interact with. Thanks for all your professional input!

thanks eyes... and same goes for you. I too believe there was head trauma from the go.. from the minute this child was in their "home". I look at that 4 May picture of him and want to send in a trauma crew!

 

[SuziQ]

Statement from step-mom

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This is what those did to our baby Ethan. I can't believe it. What am i supposed to say to my children? I can't believe this happen. All i can think about is Ethan was alone and no one could reach to him. He couldn't reach out to us. He probably cried for Joe and no one could hear him. Ethan did want to go to Stephanie's he didn't even want to talk to her on the phone. To Stephanie i have always hated you. I hope you rot in hell. If fact I wish Joe and I could slowly kill you. I wish i could beat your head in with a hammer just like you let your so called man do to Ethan. I am just in shock.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=607202124#!/profile.php?id=607202124&v=wall


She also talks about Joe......

I talked to Joe tonight and he wants to thank everyone for all their support! Right now its still to hard for Joe to talk, but he is getting by. Everyone has giving so much support to Joe and our children. Thats so much.

Michelle is a pretty lady. You can tell how much her kids loved Ethan. What those poor kids must be feeling right now....

 

[Cubby]

Ohhh Cubby - being from Chicago, I tried to read it and when seeing about the burns, I shut down. Can't take any more torture of children right now - this case is more than I ever expected. I couldn't sleep last night and the time-line becomes a nightmare after a few hours. Thanks for the link! I'll look at it later. And you're right, considering it's Cook County, I'm surprised!

I understand ((((eyes4crime)))) - I really only shared it here, not for the details so much as for huge difference in bond amount. I'm glad the little girl in Chicago is at least alive.... and can recover from this.

How does a parent who abused a child and not murder them get a bond 4 times larger than a parent who abuses their child and kills them? :furious:
I will never understand.

 

[Cubby]

Michelle is a pretty lady. You can tell how much her kids loved Ethan. What those poor kids must be feeling right now....

She is, isn't she. So is her daughter who looks just like her.
I do not envy the position she or Nathans ex wife Jennifer is in right now. Both of those women will have a difficult time explaining and answering their childrens questions.

I will keep both Michelle and Jennifer - and the kids in my prayers too.

 

[nursebeeme]

eyes, did you get the 1 May arrival date and 4 may picture date (of obvious facial trauma) for the timeline?

eta: I am curious as to how these dates (arrival and picture date of facial trauma) fit into the rest of this storm

 

[cluciano63]

I hate the way custodial court works, but yesterday when I questioned it here, was told that judges could not prevent a child going into a house with a mother's boyfriend unless he had a record of crimes against children. And if he was not given anything to go by, I do not see how he can be blamed. The system, yes, but an individual judge, no. All his family members are speaking out now, but they would not have been involved in the divorce/custodial issues and Joe may never have known about some of this stuff, so how could the judge have known? It is just the most hideous example ever, possibly, of falling through the cracks...no one could have predicted this outcome, except perhaps his family, who only seem to be surfacing after the fact...and of the course the pair of them.

 

[Cubby]

I hate the way custodial court works, but yesterday when I questioned it here, was told that judges could not prevent a child going into a house with a mother's boyfriend unless he had a record of crimes against children. And if he was not given anything to go by, I do not see how he can be blamed. The system, yes, but an individual judge, no. All his family members are speaking out now, but they would not have been involved in the divorce/custodial issues and Joe may never have known about some of this stuff, so how could the judge have known? It is just the most hideous example ever, possibly, of falling through the cracks...no one could have predicted this outcome, except perhaps his family, who only seem to be surfacing after the fact...and of the course the pair of them.

I know you are right. It is just frustrating to see so much about Nathans raging temper and threats to kill someone and then it happen to such a precious child.

Though it is 'interesting' to see two extended family, or ex's comment about Nathans 'different' personalities. I really do not think they were mulitple personalities in a 'Sybil' sense, just rather different sides of him which he had little control over.

ETA: and there is NO WAY in hades Nathans mother was unaware of this side of her son. It is simply NOT possible. People learn compassion and discipline as children.. it is not something learned later in life, but can be lost with substance abuse. There is NO WAY she did not know, and for her to come out and say everything was hunky dory on the 5th when she last saw Ethan, if that is proven to NOT be true based on the ME's exam of this childs injuries AND it can be documented she DID in fact see Ethan AFTER her son started beating the crap out of him, SHE needs to have some charges filed against her too.

JMO

 

[RubyRed]

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Mike Williams leaves a toy truck at a memorial set up for murdered 4 year old Ethan Stacy at the families apartment complex in Layton Thursday.​

A couple read the cards at a memorial that has been set up.
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A large stuffed animal is left during the vigil.​

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...red-couple-accused-in-Ethan-Stacys-death.html​

 

[laytonian]

I know you are right. It is just frustrating to see so much about Nathans raging temper and threats to kill someone and then it happen to such a precious child.

Though it is 'interesting' to see two extended family, or ex's comment about Nathans 'different' personalities. I really do not think they were mulitple personalities in a 'Sybil' sense, just rather different sides of him which he had little control over.

...or maybe he did, and it was his way of controlling people. Some people never grow out of the bullying stage.

ETA: and there is NO WAY in hades Nathans mother was unaware of this side of her son. It is simply NOT possible. People learn compassion and discipline as children.. it is not something learned later in life, but can be lost with substance abuse. There is NO WAY she did not know, and for her to come out and say everything was hunky dory on the 5th when she last saw Ethan, if that is proven to NOT be true based on the ME's exam of this childs injuries AND it can be documented she DID in fact see Ethan AFTER her son started beating the crap out of him, SHE needs to have some charges filed against her too.

JMO

(bowing low, applauding loudly)

 

[truthsleuth]

She left her beaten, terrorized, brain-injured, dying child locked in his bedroom while she left to go marry the who was systematically beating, torturing and killing him.

SHE. MUST. BE. CHARGED. WITH. MURDER. TOO. :furious::furious:

I agree, Calliope. This sweet, innocent child needs justice.

Let us all do what we can to ensure that SS pays for her crimes against Ethan, including murder.

Ethan deserved to live out his life in peace and security and to grow old. He deserved the opportunity to have his own children if he so desired, and to laugh and love and enjoy life to the fullest measure. He deserved a safe and worry-free childhood. But he was robbed of those things by extremely selfish and sick people. And they need to pay for the life and future they have destroyed.

 

[Calliope]

So she won't have to tesitfy against him. That is my fear.

Best case scenario, IMO; take them both off of suicide watch, put them in the GP and let true justice be served.

It was theorized on the last thread they married because of spousal privilege. Then someone posted the Utah statute that negates that in cases such as this. Guess ol' Nater bean wasn't as smart as he thought he was, eh?

 

[Kat]

Cubby I'm with you on the multiple personality issue. I think he is more than likely seriously personality disordered.

IMHO (layman's opinion) PD's are not mental illnesses but rather a category devised to put a name to people who have personality deficits. Character deficits. He could have one ore more. IMHO personality disorders need not be singular in their diagnosis and certain PD's share common symptoms ~ such as antisocial PD and Narcissism PD. All JMHO.

Personality disorders are not a viable defense in court. FWIW NS had named his different sides of who he was so he could blame his bad behavior on those so called personalities.

I wouldn't be surprise if the information that he was diagnosed with this~~didn't come straight from his mouth to his family's ears. JMHO

 

[RubyRed]

In court documents, Freeman describes Nathan Sloop as having a "history of instability and mental illness" including being diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. His other personalities go by the names "Ghost" and "New York," she wrote. "Ghost," she wrote, "becomes enraged at any perceived slight or criticism."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...ouple-accused-in-Ethan-Stacys-death.html?pg=2