UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #5

[gngr~snap]

I'm thinking he was not diagnosed with multiple personalities now as well. Not that he wasn't dangerous... but the MPD/DID isn't adding up IMO.

 

[Calliope]

Well I just did a lil research and it looks to me like there is NO medication available to treat MPD/DID only psychotherapy. Medication is only used when there is a "comorbid disorder" which means an additional diagnosis like depression for instance that is found to be present also.

Did that make sense?

Yep.

JMO, but I believe this "diagnosis" is something NS told his ex as an excuse for his violent behaviour. I don't believe he was ever genuinely diagnosed by an MD as having DID.

 

[harleysnana]

I just do not feel that NS has clinically diagnosed multiple personality disorder. I may be wrong, maybe some medical information will come out eventually. IMO he AND SS are sociopaths. They both share equal responsibility for the death of this precious child.
Well, remember, I believe that SS said in her wedding page that, "you can always have another child". IMO Ethan was expendable to them. He was in the way of their obsessive love pact.
NS required unbridled attention and complete control - little Ethan wanted his Daddy. Therefore, NS was compelled to beat that child to have his control.
Unfortunately, poor Ethan's little body could not take it.
Nope. Not multiple personality disorder. Cruel, heartless fatal abuse from a monster.:furious:

I agree!
I guess I’m just worried that it has even been brought up!
And now his attorney is going to “look into it”
And the prosecutor said that his attorney is “one of the best”

I’m just worried….
:banghead:

 

[gngr~snap]

Yep.

JMO, but I believe this "diagnosis" is something NS told his ex as an excuse for his violent behaviour. I don't believe he was ever genuinely diagnosed by an MD as having DID.

Agreed.

 

[RubyRed]

I agree!
I guess I’m just worried that it has even been brought up!
And now his attorney is going to “look into it”
And the prosecutor said that his attorney is “one of the best”

I’m just worried….
:banghead:

I still do not think he will ever see the light of day again. Her either.

 

[eyes4crime]

Just on... his attorney "will be looking into the "multiple personalities"
"NS no longer on suicide watch"
No charges expected to be flied this week.

Let's say DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) is what the defense uses - that means they are looking for the 'guilty but mentally ill' (GBMI) verdict. The sentencing would be the same as a 'guilty' verdict, only the criminal will be evaluated for tx. and sent to a forensic mental health prison for a possible cure. Unlike insanity, if he is ever cured, this criminal will be sent to a regular prison to serve out the rest of his sentence. If never cured he will be in the mental health prison for treatment. The forensic mental health facility is very much like a prison in that it is highly secure, maybe more so, but with tx. Hardly a piece of cake. Either way, if a GBMI verdict is issued by the jury the criminal has to serve out his sentence in one of two places - forensic mental health facility or prison or both.

IMO Nate would absolute hate the high security of a forensic mental health facility - I have a difficult time seeing him in tx for the rest of his life - his need to control and manipulate is far too great.

On the other hand: DID is difficult to treat and can take years. Medications are given based on the symptoms available to the Dr,. Taking into consideration the level of forensic psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, available for treatment in the forensic facility, IMO he would spend the rest of his life in such a facility or be begging to go into the prison system.

Either way he will serve out his sentence, Insanity would put the person into a forensic mental health prison until restored to sanity and he/she is released - sentence is over. Not the case for GBMI.

If Nate has a diagnosis of DID from a psychiatrist, hopefully board certified, experts will have to show why this type of rampage never happened prior to this and what triggered it.

Most importantly, the jury has to buy it! All just my opinions.

ETA: The APA (American Psychiatric Association) does not advocate for this defense of (GBMI), and my expectations are that the prosecution will put up some expert witnesses regarding DID - there are plenty of psychiatrists who don't feel this is a legitimate diagnosis.

 

[Calliope]

I agree!
I guess I’m just worried that it has even been brought up!
And now his attorney is going to “look into it”
And the prosecutor said that his attorney is “one of the best”

I’m just worried….
:banghead:

Don't worry hun.

Just go back and listen to Mr. Rawlings again, everything he said in his statement and the answers he gave after. It doesn't matter if 's attorney is 'one' of the best, because IMO he's up against THE best. After reading up on him and then hearing him speak, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Mr. Rawlings is going to nail these two to the wall.

In all fairness to 's attorney, this is really all he has. I don't envy him trying to come up with a defense for what happened. In fact, I don't think he CAN defend what happened. I think it's going to be a matter of trying to trip up the prosecution on procedural matters, and Mr. Rawlings is already two steps ahead oh him on that ... just witness Mr. Rawlings repeated assurances that the prosecution is going to proceed in a methodical, thorough, determined pace, and his promise that nothing will keep them from this and nothing will cause them to move on this too soon and that they WILL have all their ducks in a row before they file charges and go to trial.

 

[Calliope]

I'd like to add that I want NS and SS to have the best defense attorneys around. IMO that means less cause for appeals, that the convictions will be affirmed on whatever appeals are filed, and if sentenced to death, less time on death row before execution.

 

[Calliope]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WS-ES

Our candle page for Ethan. Candles stay lit for only 48 hours.

 

[Calliope]

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110967895612487&index=1

Date:
Saturday, May 22, 2010
Time:
9:00am - 12:00pm
Location:
Layton Hills Mall to Davis County Jail

 

[RubyRed]

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110967895612487&index=1

Date:
Saturday, May 22, 2010
Time:
9:00am - 12:00pm
Location:
Layton Hills Mall to Davis County Jail

I am not logged in so can't see it. Is it some type of march?

 

[Calliope]

http://ethansmemoryblog.blogspot.com/

 

[RubyRed]

http://ethansmemoryblog.blogspot.com/

A Teddy Bear drive. That is nice.

 

[Calliope]

I am not logged in so can't see it. Is it some type of march?

Wow, it's already moved down the page I was having a hard time finding it again. There are nearly 45,000 members on that FB group. I'm thinking this was posted on one of the other FB groups for Ethan (there are several, I believe this one is the largest).

walk for justice for Ethan Stacy

Type:
Causes - Rally
Date:
Saturday, May 22, 2010
Time:
9:00am - 12:00pm
Location:
Layton Hills Mall to Davis County Jail

Description:

This is an event trying to be organized all over Utah to show support for justice in this case !! It is an open event to all ages. Please pass on the word and lets have a great walk to a great purpose !!

This is NOT a protest, or anything like that it is just to show support to his family and loved ones. And a nice way to seek justice.

Even if you are unable to be there to walk PLEASE post this on your wall or send to your friends !!

WEAR A WHITE SHIRT !!!!

I believe we are going to take it to the limit and walk to the Davis county jail.. so it will be an all day event and walkers will have the choice of someone picking them up, walking back or riding the bus or frontrunner as we will be right by the UTA station

Also please remember that walkers will be walking at their own risk !!

A link to the big FB group's main page: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122374551115521

 

[Calliope]

Listed on their "events" page:

Virtual Day of Remembrance for Ethan Sacy
Type:
Other - Ceremony
Date:
Wednesday, May 19, 2010
Time:
12:05am - 11:55pm
Location:
Justice For Ethan Stacy Group page
Description
We will be honoring Ethan the entire 24 hour period of May 19th, 2010, the day of his memorial service in Virginia.

During this 24 hour period, we ask that only tributes, prayers, photos, videos, music, and wishes to Ethan be expressed on the group wall. This is NOT the day for expressions of justice. Thank you for respecting Ethan's memory while he is being laid to rest.

At 1:00 pm, (Eastern Time) we ask that you light a candle in Ethan's memory, if at all possible. If you are not in a position to light a burning candle for him, we will have a virtual candle lighting option available as well.

 

[Calliope]

Wow, this is beautiful. A drawing called "Ethan's heart" by Randy Martinez.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/debbie5942/ethansheart.jpg

 

[Calliope]

If you get a chance to sign in, check out the album for Saturday night's vigil. Incredible photos, 208 of them... note how the memorial just grows in size as the evening progresses. That board of photos of Ethan and his Dad and family is beautiful.

I wish these guys could spend about 5 minutes with Ol' Nater Bean. Hell, they wouldn't even have to lay a finger on him. He'd drop dead at the mere thought.

B.A.C.A.(Bikers Against Child Abuse) came out to show their support as well. They were at the first court appearance of the Sloops and will most likely be attending every single one of them. Love you guys and all you do!!!!!!!!!

Link to album: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1717427750&aid=15632&s=0&hash=6961be2642f66b414a57c537065a53af

 

[harleysnana]

Dear Mommy,
I didn’t want to come to Utah
I’ll miss my daddy so
I don’t have any friends here
But, the judge told my daddy I had to go.

But, I think that we’ll have fun together-
Maybe we can go to the park?
Maybe we can watch cartoons
Or play hide and seek in the dark.

Maybe we can bake a cake
Or we can play on the slide
Or you know I like to color and draw-
We can use chalk on the street outside.

Mommy, I didn’t mean to fall
And drop your plate and make it shatter.
I was running too fast to help clean up
I’m sorry … the reason doesn’t matter.

Mommy, please – I’m really sorry
I will always do what you say
Or I know that I’ll get slapped again.
But, he seems to do it anyway.

Mommy, I’m sorry that I can’t stop crying
I’ll go straight to bed.
I just can’t help it… I’m so tired
Please tell him to stop hitting my head.

Mom, stop taking pictures-
I just don’t feel like I can smile.
Mom, can I please have some medicine?
My head’s been hurting for a while.

Mommy I’m sorry that I got so dirty
And, I know that it’s a lesson I have to learn.
Please let me out of this bath tub
It’s hot and my legs are starting to burn.

Mom, is that my dad on the phone?
Can I please tell him hi?
I promise I won’t tell him your boyfriend hurts me-
And, I promise I won’t cry.

Mom, please let me out of here.
I’m hungry and tired and sad.
Can I please have some dinner?
Just a little bit- I promise I won’t make you mad.

Mommy, where are you?
I need you to help me please.
Mommy…PLEASE… I need your help
I am begging on my knees.

Mommy, I think I’m tired now
I have no more tears to cry.
I probably won’t wake up this time
So, this is my goodbye-

Mommy- I am just so little
And, I didn’t mean to make you mad.
I’m going up to heaven now-
And, really….I’m kind of glad.

But, mom, one thing before I go
I just need to say-
Please tell my dad I love him.
But, I will be okay.

I am going to heaven now.
And I won’t hurt anymore.
I will smile and run around
And I will be able to act like I’m four.

Please-I never got to tell my dad
And, I just want him to be sure-
That he knows, that I know, that I was his world
And he tried to protect me from who he knew you were.

Mother- I can’t stay awake anymore
My eyes are closing…I can’t see.
I wonder if you will be shown the mercy
That you were never able to show me.

Tell my dad I’m sorry I couldn’t come home.
But I am going to heaven today.
But, I’ll be watching him from up above
And I’ll show him I’m there in my very own way.

He’ll see my smile in the sunshine
He’ll feel my warmth from it’s rays.
I will wait in heaven for him.
Until it’s his time to come this way.

Please bless my dad, and those who will cry
Because I am leaving earth this way.
Please thank them for their love and ask them
To please help get justice for kids like me today.

Love,

Ethan

by
Stephanie Johnson-Hart
*used with permission

 

[Calliope]

These are great photos. He's so adorable.

 

[Calliope]

Mommy, I think I’m tired now
I have no more tears to cry.
I probably won’t wake up this time
So, this is my goodbye-

Mommy- I am just so little
And, I didn’t mean to make you mad.
I’m going up to heaven now-
And, really….I’m kind of glad.

But, mom, one thing before I go
I just need to say-
Please tell my dad I love him.
But, I will be okay.

Oh harleysnana