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UT - Kouri Richins, 33, Author, wife, mom, charged in husband’s unexpected death last year, May 2023 #3
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Carmen is represented by a lawyer and is testifying under agreements of immunity from several agencies including Summit County. She has four grants of immunity because she has committed crimes in connection with this case in four jurisdictions, she says. She must tell the truth and if she does, charges will not be filed on her, she explains. She has to testify truthfully and fully.
2:42 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Carmen is represented by a lawyer and is testifying under agreements of immunity from several agencies including Summit County. She has four grants of immunity because she has committed crimes in connection with this case in four jurisdictions, she says. She must tell the truth and if she does, charges will not be filed on her, she explains. She has to testify truthfully and fully.
2:42 PM · Feb 26, 2026
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Prosecutors have called Carmen Lauber, who was alleged to have purchased drugs for Kouri Richins.
"Do you have a history of drug use? Yes."
Carmen describes her drug use throughout her life.
"Have you ever sold drugs? Yes."
"Do you have a criminal history involving drugs? Yes."
Prosecutors have called Carmen Lauber, who was alleged to have purchased drugs for Kouri Richins.
"Do you have a history of drug use? Yes."
Carmen describes her drug use throughout her life.
"Have you ever sold drugs? Yes."
"Do you have a criminal history involving drugs? Yes."
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HOW DARE A CLIENT CALL RIGHT WHEN IT WAS GETTING GOOD!!! foot stomp
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Carmen's lawyer assisted her in getting the immunity and advised her about what she could lose if she does not tell the truth. Carmen interviewed with investigators 6-7 times before getting immunity. She spoke with investigators about 10-15 hours total.
Carmen says investigators told her Eric had died and defense objects based on hearsay. Judge calls for a sidebar.
Carmen knew Eric had died but when investigators told her it was from an overdose, "that hit hard only for the fact that, if that's what happened, I needed to step up and take accountability in my part in this and what I asked for."
Carmen's lawyer assisted her in getting the immunity and advised her about what she could lose if she does not tell the truth. Carmen interviewed with investigators 6-7 times before getting immunity. She spoke with investigators about 10-15 hours total.
Carmen says investigators told her Eric had died and defense objects based on hearsay. Judge calls for a sidebar.
Carmen knew Eric had died but when investigators told her it was from an overdose, "that hit hard only for the fact that, if that's what happened, I needed to step up and take accountability in my part in this and what I asked for."
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did your interviews with investigators take place prior to the immunity was offered or accepted? Yes, 5 or 6 times.
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Carmen says at first it took a minute to process everything. She is emotional and wiping her eyes with a tissue. Carmen spoke with investigators before she had immunity and wanted immunity. Carmen did not consult with an attorney before meeting with investigators. She was in jail.
2:48 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Carmen says at first it took a minute to process everything. She is emotional and wiping her eyes with a tissue. Carmen spoke with investigators before she had immunity and wanted immunity. Carmen did not consult with an attorney before meeting with investigators. She was in jail.
2:48 PM · Feb 26, 2026
This is the person who prosecutors allege supplied Kouri Richins with fentanyl pills.
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Bloodworth asks Carmen if she met with her attorney to prepare for today. She has. She reviewed what she said in jail, some photos and data from cell phones. Bloodworth asks Carmen if she knew Kouri Richins. She did. She worked for Kouri's aunt cleaning houses. She also cleaned Kouri's home every other Friday. She worked for Kouri's aunt for nine years and got to know Kouri throughout the years.
2:50 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Bloodworth asks Carmen if she met with her attorney to prepare for today. She has. She reviewed what she said in jail, some photos and data from cell phones. Bloodworth asks Carmen if she knew Kouri Richins. She did. She worked for Kouri's aunt cleaning houses. She also cleaned Kouri's home every other Friday. She worked for Kouri's aunt for nine years and got to know Kouri throughout the years.
2:50 PM · Feb 26, 2026
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Carmen spoke with Kouri about her drug use. She told Kouri about drug court and when she was going to graduate. She went into drug court in late 2021. Carmen knew Eric Richins. He would come in and joke with her. Carmen went to their house for a birthday BBQ at one point. Carmen knew Eric owned a stonemasonry business. She did not know any of his employees.
2:52 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Carmen spoke with Kouri about her drug use. She told Kouri about drug court and when she was going to graduate. She went into drug court in late 2021. Carmen knew Eric Richins. He would come in and joke with her. Carmen went to their house for a birthday BBQ at one point. Carmen knew Eric owned a stonemasonry business. She did not know any of his employees.
2:52 PM · Feb 26, 2026
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KR asked Carmen to get pain meds for an investor of hers sometime in February somewhere around there. Early February
FYI: In court documents; it was noted that Kouri asked Carmen, known as ‘C.L.’, to get fentanyl for her.
Carmen worked for Kouri as a housekeeper for some of her real estate related businesses and in the Richins (Kouri and Eric) home.
"Ma'am, did you know Kouri Richins? Yes."
"Did you clean Kouri Richins home? Yes, every other Friday."
"About how long did you know Kouri Richins." - 9 years
Carmen worked for Kouri as a housekeeper for some of her real estate related businesses and in the Richins (Kouri and Eric) home.
"Ma'am, did you know Kouri Richins? Yes."
"Did you clean Kouri Richins home? Yes, every other Friday."
"About how long did you know Kouri Richins." - 9 years
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Kouri asked Carmen to buy illicit drugs for her four times. The First time was Susan Kohler. The other times were from Robert Crozier. The first time Kouri asked about drugs, she asked if Carmen could get some pain meds for an investor that she knew. Carmen knew Susan was using and Susan knew someone with pain meds. Carmen and Susan worked together over the years.
2:54 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Kouri asked Carmen to buy illicit drugs for her four times. The First time was Susan Kohler. The other times were from Robert Crozier. The first time Kouri asked about drugs, she asked if Carmen could get some pain meds for an investor that she knew. Carmen knew Susan was using and Susan knew someone with pain meds. Carmen and Susan worked together over the years.
2:54 PM · Feb 26, 2026
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Kouri first asked Carmen about getting drugs in early February 2022. Carmen gave Susan $600 for the drugs. She asked Susan for an opioid painkiller. Susan returned with a white envelope full of pills a few hours later. There were little brown pills. Carmen then texted Kouri that she had pills. Kouri drove to Carmen's house the next morning and picked up the pills.
2:57 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Kouri first asked Carmen about getting drugs in early February 2022. Carmen gave Susan $600 for the drugs. She asked Susan for an opioid painkiller. Susan returned with a white envelope full of pills a few hours later. There were little brown pills. Carmen then texted Kouri that she had pills. Kouri drove to Carmen's house the next morning and picked up the pills.
2:57 PM · Feb 26, 2026
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after Carmen obtained those for KR for the alleged investor. KR contacted her to request something stronger. So Carmen reached out to another person, Nicole Cumming via FB messenger to ask for something stronger.
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Kouri gave Carmen $600 for the pills. Bloodworth asks about the text messages between Kouri and Carmen. She says she deleted all the messages because she could get in trouble with drug court if anyone saw the messages that she was participating in selling drugs. The second time Carmen purchased drugs was from Robert Crozier. Kouri messaged and said her investor needed something stronger.
2:59 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Kouri gave Carmen $600 for the pills. Bloodworth asks about the text messages between Kouri and Carmen. She says she deleted all the messages because she could get in trouble with drug court if anyone saw the messages that she was participating in selling drugs. The second time Carmen purchased drugs was from Robert Crozier. Kouri messaged and said her investor needed something stronger.
2:59 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Carmen says she spoke about her drug history with Kouri; highlighting her successes with the drug court program.
"Did Kouri Richins ever ask for you to purchase illicit drugs?" Yes.
Carmen says she purchased them four times for Kouri.
We're going thru the timelines of when Carmen says she purchased drugs for Kouri Richins.
"Her investor wanted something stronger," said Carmen about the second time Kouri reached out to her for drugs.
The first time, Carmen says she handed the pills to Kouri in Carmen's driveway and was paid $600.
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"Did Kouri Richins ever ask for you to purchase illicit drugs?" Yes.
Carmen says she purchased them four times for Kouri.
We're going thru the timelines of when Carmen says she purchased drugs for Kouri Richins.
"Her investor wanted something stronger," said Carmen about the second time Kouri reached out to her for drugs.
The first time, Carmen says she handed the pills to Kouri in Carmen's driveway and was paid $600.
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Carmen reached out to a friend on Facebook Messenger to see if she might have access to drugs. We see messages on the screen that Carmen sent to her friend. It says, "Text me. I've got a question I can't say on here." It was sent on Feb. 5, 2022. She sent the message because she was going to ask her friend if she knew anybody who had any pills.
Carmen's friend put her in touch with Robert Crozier. She asked if he knew of anyone with strong painkillers for sale. He said he would check. Robert called her back and said he had someone who could give her fentanyl pills. Carmen told Kouri that she had a friend with access to fentanyl. Kouri told her to get them. Carmen reached out to Crozier and told him to get the pills.
3:05 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Robert asked Carmen to meet him at a Maverik gas station in Draper, Utah. Bloodworth asks Carmen if she has text messages between her and Robert. She deleted them. She deleted all her messages because she was worried if anyone saw them, she would get in trouble. Carmen agreed to meet Robert at Maverik. The fentanyl would cost $1,000. Kouri told Carmen the money would be at the Midway house.
3:07 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Carmen's friend put her in touch with Robert Crozier. She asked if he knew of anyone with strong painkillers for sale. He said he would check. Robert called her back and said he had someone who could give her fentanyl pills. Carmen told Kouri that she had a friend with access to fentanyl. Kouri told her to get them. Carmen reached out to Crozier and told him to get the pills.
3:05 PM · Feb 26, 2026
Robert asked Carmen to meet him at a Maverik gas station in Draper, Utah. Bloodworth asks Carmen if she has text messages between her and Robert. She deleted them. She deleted all her messages because she was worried if anyone saw them, she would get in trouble. Carmen agreed to meet Robert at Maverik. The fentanyl would cost $1,000. Kouri told Carmen the money would be at the Midway house.
3:07 PM · Feb 26, 2026
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We see an image of a small house in Midway where Kouri put the $1,000. Kouri told her the back door was unlocked. The money was in a box in a closet with some coffee cups. Carmen picked up the money and called Robert. A woman named Nancy Peterson drove Carmen to Maverik in Draper as Carmen did not have a car.
Bloodworth moves to admit some photos from Carmen's phone. Defense objects and says they are from the Cellebrite extraction and witnesses can't testify about Cellebrite. Judge calls for sidebar with attorneys.
Bloodworth moves to admit three photos into evidence. No objection from defense. Judge allows the pictures in. The first one is Carmen in Nancy's car with Carmen's dog in the background. The other two photos are of Carmen and Nancy in her car. They are on the way to meet up with Robert Crozier at the Draper Maverik.
Carmen was texting with Robert on the way asking about ETA. She was also texting Kouri and keeping her update. Once Carmen got to Maverik, they texted each other about what type of vehicles they were in. Once she arrived, he came up to the window, picked up the money, and the left for 20-25 minutes. He came back with a "little clear baggie" that had round pills inside.
We see an image of a small house in Midway where Kouri put the $1,000. Kouri told her the back door was unlocked. The money was in a box in a closet with some coffee cups. Carmen picked up the money and called Robert. A woman named Nancy Peterson drove Carmen to Maverik in Draper as Carmen did not have a car.
Bloodworth moves to admit some photos from Carmen's phone. Defense objects and says they are from the Cellebrite extraction and witnesses can't testify about Cellebrite. Judge calls for sidebar with attorneys.
Bloodworth moves to admit three photos into evidence. No objection from defense. Judge allows the pictures in. The first one is Carmen in Nancy's car with Carmen's dog in the background. The other two photos are of Carmen and Nancy in her car. They are on the way to meet up with Robert Crozier at the Draper Maverik.
Carmen was texting with Robert on the way asking about ETA. She was also texting Kouri and keeping her update. Once Carmen got to Maverik, they texted each other about what type of vehicles they were in. Once she arrived, he came up to the window, picked up the money, and the left for 20-25 minutes. He came back with a "little clear baggie" that had round pills inside.
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