GUILTY UT - Michele MacNeill, 50, found dead in bathtub, Pleasant Grove, 11 April 2007 - #4

[websurfer]

somebody sure seems to be a defense swayed person?

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Judge reiterated that Dr Perper's testimony on ??? is not generally accepted in the scientific community.

Is that right? Or is the judge spewing what Spencer said?

 

[seattlechiquita]

Judge reiterated that Dr Perper's testimony on ??? is not generally accepted in the scientific community.

Is that right? Or is the judge spewing what Spencer said?

I am more confused than you can imagine. No clue to what is going on.

 

[popsicle]

ummm?

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Dr Perper's testimony remains.

 

[minor4th]

Good. He's allowing the testimony to continue.

This judge is very thorough and doesn't just rule off the cuff. I like that.

 

[bsk]

Judge reiterated that Dr Perper's testimony on ??? is not generally accepted in the scientific community.

Is that right? Or is the judge spewing what Spencer said?

No. He only said the prosecution needs to supply more foundation.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

I am more confused than you can imagine. No clue to what is going on.

Bottom line Perper is in, defense can sit down.

 

[bsk]

Good. He's allowing the testimony to continue.

This judge is very thorough and doesn't just rule off the cuff. I like that.

I agree - He seems to be remarkably thorough.

 

[Harmony 2]

Huh?

I promptly removed 10 off topic posts about breaking news, that is why you can't see the posts... hth

 

[minor4th]

somebody sure seems to be a defense swayed person?

I really don't think so. He is a former prosecutor. I think he is very fair and very knowledgeable and sticks to the law. I don't really see him leaning towards the defense or prosecution in his rulings.

ETA: It may appear that he is biased towards the defense because we're all more accustomed to seeing judges that lean more towards the prosecution lol

 

[Ann-Tx]

1. Ben Winslow @BenWinslow
2. In other words, the judge rules that Dr. Perper stays on the witness stand. @fox13now #MartinMacNeill #MacNeillTrial

1. 2m
2. Ben Winslow @BenWinslow
3. Judge feels sufficient notice has been given to the defense about Dr. Perper's testimony. @fox13now #MartinMacNeill #MacNeilltrial

Source:

http://fox13now.com/2013/10/22/martin-macneill-trail-continuing-coverage/
FOX13 - Salt Lake City, UT

 

[smeck]

It seems that you cannot jump to conclusions as to what the judge is ruling until he finishes his statement.

 

[Nymeria]

WOW! This trial thread has picked up a lot. I have a lot of catch up reading to do later. Spend a few days carving pumpkins and we jump 2 entire threads!

Now that the high holiday is over I can settle in and really watch (listened while carving, but I think I missed some stuff with my attention being divided).

I hope they take a short lunch since the bench conference lasted so long this morning.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

No. He only said the prosecution needs to supply more foundation.

The judge did reiterate what the defense had said about Dr Perper's findings (?) are not generally accepted by the scientific community. He then went on to say that the state had not completed their questioning as if their questioning would finally answer this issue.

Still IMO it isn't appropriate for the Judge to doubt the integrity, the value, of this doctor's testimony unless he has been found to be incompetent and/or unethical in other cases.

 

[Norwegian]

Why is that every time this judge talks I feel the outcome is going to be negative? :/

he gets me every time!!!

 

[websurfer]

TRying to understand but:scared:

 

[bsk]

It sounds like the state's position is that the MEs only looked at the body after death, whereas Dr Perper looked at the bigger picture. That would make sense to the jury I think - at the time no one was pushing the idea of murder, so the MEs did what made sense at the time. As more info came forward, it needed another look from a different angle.

Is that the general idea of what the state is doing? If so, I think it's a smart move not to argue that the MEs were incompetent, leading to the need for Dr Perper to take a look.

 

[digitalwindows]

somebody sure seems to be a defense swayed person?

Maybe, or maybe not. It is their right to do so. I personally enjoy and welcome the differing opinions. It keeps thing interesting.

 

[scmom]

So the blood was diluted by water (drowning) and further because of the therapeutic treatment (introduction of fluids by IV)?