UT - Sierra Newbold, 6, abducted & murdered, West Jordan, 26 June 2012 *Arrest*

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Former FBI Agent says the murder "does not have the markings of a sex offender".

Interesting article that says the FBI are studying the camera footage, and the oldest child in the family is a 17 year old boy.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Who-killed-Sierra/PY9bwWXJM0GW8qOyGoj7WQ.cspx

So do you think they think its a preditor? I read that too and I got confused cause if someone has been sexually assualted isnt that person who comitted that crime somebody who is a sex offender, even if he or she has not ever been caught?
 
  • #264
So do you think they think its a preditor? I read that too and I got confused cause if someone has been sexually assualted isnt that person who comitted that crime somebody who is a sex offender, even if he or she has not ever been caught?

I think he means, RSO's.

If you read the article he refers to how many live nearby and that they are all being investigated.

To me he is implying that he doubts it will be an RSO due to the time of day, it is unlikely a random prowler was out hunting in his opinion...they must prefer the middle of the night I guess.
 
  • #265
I think he means, RSO's.

If you read the article he refers to how many live nearby and that they are all being investigated.

To me he is implying that he doubts it will be an RSO due to the time of day, it is unlikely a random prowler was out hunting in his opinion...they must prefer the middle of the night I guess.

And haven't they also said there were no signs of a forced entry into the home? I get the feeling they are wondering about an inside job.
 
  • #266
She was taken after 7 (?) and the mother called LE by 7:30 AM, so the perp took, sexually assaulted and killed her within an 1/2 hour? That's a very tight timeline...and then she was found as quickly as well. Hoping there is DNA or transfer evidence to nail whoever did this.
 
  • #267
And haven't they also said there were no signs of a forced entry into the home? I get the feeling they are wondering about an inside job.

I think imo it is an inside job. Like FBI said there is no forced entry. It doesnt fit a sex offender who would be lerking around. I wonder if this person knocked on her window and said come around and let me in, or meet me by the door. Cause i personaly dont think this person did this within a half hr, cause the video is suposably dark. If the mom went to wake her at 730 and the dad left for work at 7 than that doesnt mean sierre left between 7 and 730 Right? Most of salt lake houses have basement, so was her bedroom down stairs? I think they know who it is, i bet they are waiting for lab results. I dont think the parents did this especially if they have there own cameras. But i think she went with this person willingly, because she knew them :-(
 
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Those are just possible flee direction suggestions for those who are not familiar with the area, north east and south are exits from the area that the perp could likely use to not be seen being they are farm land and very few houses, not likely north because he would be walkin with the flow of the canal and subsequently same direction as the body. East and south is also the direction of the rest of salt lake city as opposed west which goes to desert. Assuming the perp didn't just return to his home/neighboring victim house.

Wouldn't Downtown Salt Lake City would be to the north? It seems like it would be easier to disappear there, plus that's where all the public transport leads. Also, the closest exit from the canal road to a street is to the north. He would be more conspicuous trying to walk along the driveway past someone's farm house I think. It depends on where he was from and where he was going, but I wouldn't rule out the northern exit, especially for a transient.

Much, much more transit, people, etc. to the north. Especially in the middle of the night the perp would have been more conspicuous going through the in the suburbs. But a local might have had reason to flee south.
 
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...f-Americas-apathy-to-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-problem.html

There was a pathetic degree of irony on the front page of the B Section of the June 30, 2012 issue of the Deseret News. Side by side were the photos of the "vigil" participants in memory of Sierra Newbold and the photo of Steven Powell. Powell, a convicted voyeurist, is to be released from a 30-month prison sentence in May 2013. Powell's images of choice were of nude young girls.

There is little doubt that when the man who killed Sierra Newbold is finally discovered his profile will be very familiar. Somehow we all seem to have forgotten a little girl by the name of Destiny Norton.
 
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...f-Americas-apathy-to-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-problem.html

(I am not posting this to debate 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 on this thread.)
 
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Wouldn't Downtown Salt Lake City would be to the north? It seems like it would be easier to disappear there, plus that's where all the public transport leads. Also, the closest exit from the canal road to a street is to the north. He would be more conspicuous trying to walk along the driveway past someone's farm house I think. It depends on where he was from and where he was going, but I wouldn't rule out the northern exit, especially for a transient.

Much, much more transit, people, etc. to the north. Especially in the middle of the night the perp would have been more conspicuous going through the in the suburbs. But a local might have had reason to flee south.

Salt lake is so big so downtown would be unlikely, for someone to come into a into a random neighborhood and target one house. But these days you never know. I never thought i would turn on tv either and see a man eating off another mans face. Lol But i will say one thing abt it up there. I love Salt Lake its home to me but there are a lot of sex offenders there cause they brush things under carpet a lot.
 
  • #272
After thinking about poor Sierra all week, I took my five-year-old daughter for a daddy-daughter date to the Princess Festival at Thanksgiving Point on Saturday. It was totally painful (there weren't too many men there) and totally incredible - all at the same time.

Mind you, I'm not saying I took her just because of the Sierra thing. But Saturday morning, when I woke up, saw that it was going to be around a hundred degrees, and considered all the ways I could justify not going, I had Sierra's situation in mind when I woke my daughter up and told her to get glammed up for the day (she chose to be Cinderella).

I hate to even think about what it would be like to lose her. But when I look through the pictures of Sierra, it's impossible not to make the comparison. My sweet little girl has no idea why, but I've cuddled with her more in the last week than I had since she was a toddler. I don't think I would want to live if I ever lost her.
 
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After thinking about poor Sierra all week, I took my five-year-old daughter for a daddy-daughter date to the Princess Festival at Thanksgiving Point on Saturday. It was totally painful (there weren't too many men there) and totally incredible - all at the same time.

Mind you, I'm not saying I took her just because of the Sierra thing. But Saturday morning, when I woke up, saw that it was going to be around a hundred degrees, and considered all the ways I could justify not going, I had Sierra's situation in mind when I woke my daughter up and told her to get glammed up for the day (she chose to be Cinderella).

I hate to even think about what it would be like to lose her. But when I look through the pictures of Sierra, it's impossible not to make the comparison. My sweet little girl has no idea why, but I've cuddled with her more in the last week than I had since she was a toddler. I don't think I would want to live if I ever lost her.

:goodpost: I agree 100%. Your daughter is lucky to have a sweet dad like you. I wish all dads were like that. Every little girl should have a wonderful childhood.
 
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After thinking about poor Sierra all week, I took my five-year-old daughter for a daddy-daughter date to the Princess Festival at Thanksgiving Point on Saturday. It was totally painful (there weren't too many men there) and totally incredible - all at the same time.

Mind you, I'm not saying I took her just because of the Sierra thing. But Saturday morning, when I woke up, saw that it was going to be around a hundred degrees, and considered all the ways I could justify not going, I had Sierra's situation in mind when I woke my daughter up and told her to get glammed up for the day (she chose to be Cinderella).

I hate to even think about what it would be like to lose her. But when I look through the pictures of Sierra, it's impossible not to make the comparison. My sweet little girl has no idea why, but I've cuddled with her more in the last week than I had since she was a toddler. I don't think I would want to live if I ever lost her.

Thanks for reminding us, in what seems like an epidemic of missing/murdered children, that there are many,many more parents who would put their life down for their children.

There is good everywhere we look (we are so used to it, we no longer see it), yet these few instances tend to make us think there is bad everywhere too...there is not. Thankfully it is still basic human nature to love and protect our children, and always will be. Those that hurt them are in the minority...they just get all the press.
 
  • #275
Dad has been married before. This individual might be a child of his ex-wife but is not related to dad except by marriage/adoption of stepkids.

According to this article, stepbrother was living in the house the evening that Sierra was taken and murdered.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seize-family-surveillance-video.html?ITO=1490

BBM
Pensfan, I read that article but it just states elder brother, so I don't think this is B but rather "incredible" T. IMO
The girl's dad had left for work some time before her absence was noticed but her mother. Her younger sister and elder brother were also at home.
BBM


ETA... SORRY Pensfan! I see this was already addressed, I was just catching up!:blushing::seeya:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166300
 
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After thinking about poor Sierra all week, I took my five-year-old daughter for a daddy-daughter date to the Princess Festival at Thanksgiving Point on Saturday. It was totally painful (there weren't too many men there) and totally incredible - all at the same time.

Mind you, I'm not saying I took her just because of the Sierra thing. But Saturday morning, when I woke up, saw that it was going to be around a hundred degrees, and considered all the ways I could justify not going, I had Sierra's situation in mind when I woke my daughter up and told her to get glammed up for the day (she chose to be Cinderella).

I hate to even think about what it would be like to lose her. But when I look through the pictures of Sierra, it's impossible not to make the comparison. My sweet little girl has no idea why, but I've cuddled with her more in the last week than I had since she was a toddler. I don't think I would want to live if I ever lost her.
bbm
:yourock:
 
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After thinking about poor Sierra all week, I took my five-year-old daughter for a daddy-daughter date to the Princess Festival at Thanksgiving Point on Saturday. It was totally painful (there weren't too many men there) and totally incredible - all at the same time.

Mind you, I'm not saying I took her just because of the Sierra thing. But Saturday morning, when I woke up, saw that it was going to be around a hundred degrees, and considered all the ways I could justify not going, I had Sierra's situation in mind when I woke my daughter up and told her to get glammed up for the day (she chose to be Cinderella).

I hate to even think about what it would be like to lose her. But when I look through the pictures of Sierra, it's impossible not to make the comparison. My sweet little girl has no idea why, but I've cuddled with her more in the last week than I had since she was a toddler. I don't think I would want to live if I ever lost her.

Just so you know that you are on the right track, I am 60 yrs old, and I still remember in great detail, my father taking me to a father /daughter Valentine's Day Dance when I was about 8 yrs old. Those memories are so important and will help solidify your relationship when she hits her terrible teens. Believe me, the more that you can do NOW as a father, to help show her that you care and have her best interests at heart, the better it will be when she begins to 'hate' you both during puberty. lol
 
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I wonder if someone knocked on her window and said come around and let me in, or meet me by the door. Cause i personaly dont think this person did this within a half hr, cause the video is suposably dark. If the mom went to wake her at 730 and the dad left for work at 7 than that doesnt mean sierre left between 7 and 730 Right? Most of salt lake houses have basement, so was her bedroom down stairs? I think they know who it is, i bet they are waiting for lab results. I dont think the parents did this especially if they have there own cameras. But i think she went with this person willingly, because she knew them :-(
Above respectfully snipped by me..
I believe your above train of thought is definitely a possibility as to what the dynamics are of how this crime was executed.. while early on I do know that it was reported that there were supposedly NO SIGNS OF A BREAK IN/FORCED ENTRY into the Neubold home, but since then it is one of the details that are now being answered with a NO COMMENT and no verifying this to be fact.. IMO I believe the initial reports are likely accurate and that quite possibly there are no signs of forcible entry into the home.. I believe NVgirl gives a very plausible theory as to how the perp gained entry to the home WITHOUT forcible entry.. we know from following similar cases that the likelihood is greater that Sierra was atleast somewhat familiar with her killer rather than the perp being a complete, unknown stranger.. while not certain of any aspects as being facts but IMO in theorizing possibilities and dynamics of this assault/murder IMO this perp is going to be atleast somewhat familiar with his victim, her family that lived in the home, layout of the interior of the home(including aware of interior surveillance), as well as likely familiar with this families habits and schedules..

NVgirl also presents IMO the likelihood that the perp abducted Sierra at some point overnight/early pre-dawn hours, rather than the very tight time frame of dads leaving the home for work at 7am.. and the 30mins til mom became aware that Sierra was not in her bedroom or the home.. and as we know from there it quickly was unfolded within a matter of another half hour from when mom calls 911 at 7:30 and LE discover Sierras body by 8am one block from the home.. I personally don't believe it likely that Sierra was in her bed/in the home when dad left the home at 7am(and I know there are those who don't understand how/why a parent, any parent could possibly be completely unaware that their child was not in their bedroom, in their bed when the parent is awake,preps for work, and leaves the home...ALL WITHOUT EVER CHECKING IN ON THEIR CHILD) ..but IMO it very much happens and IMO is more standard than many believe, especially when the parent is leaving the home in early morning hours when everyone else in the family is still sleeping.. this is SOP.. they awake, shower, quietly walk thru the family home so as to not wake any of the sleeping fam members, maybe or maybe not quickly grab a quick breakfast from the kitchen and then quietly out the door and off to work.. many, many times IF ANYONE is seen, spoken to, or kissed good bye it is strictly going to be ONLY THE SPOUSE with whom they share a bedroom/bathroom with.. and even then many times they do not wish to even disturb or wake the spouse.. but IMO more often than not the early morning working parent does not see, speak, kiss good bye the sleeping children in the home.. as well as IMO when there is a schedule of an early morning working shift for one of the parents even morseo will we see the children's bedroom doors are pulled shut for the obvious reasons jmo..

This therefore the very logical and understandable reasons that an early morning working parent would NOT ever be aware that a child was NOT behind that closed bedroom door, safely in their bed, fast asleep as the child is every other morning of their lives..

Its for those reasons why I am also not automatically suspicious of it being indicative of parental involvement.. with the teeny modicum of details/info that we know while I definitely believe its very likely that the perp is someone fairly well known to/by Sierra, but not at all necessarily an "inside job" of anyone presently living in the home.. am definitely not ruling this possibility out, tho (especially with all of the above discussed possibilities of MUCH OLDER siblings, blood related or not) ..but DEFINITELY NOT necessarily an "inside job" if its accurate that there was no forced entry..

the manipulation of a 6 year old, young, trusting little girl is sadly like taking candy from a baby for a predator, especially! ..they hone such type skills to use on their young prey.. my God the possibilities are endless of ruses that could have been used to quietly have the victim actually assist the perp in his making effortless entry into the family home.. one other possibility/scenario is quite likely that the perp NEVER EVEN ENTERED THE HOME(thereby leaving zero forensic evidence behind) but rather had Sierra come to him by agreeing to open the door to the home and he quickly takes her from the doorway..if say the perp was to tap on Sierra's bedroom window and used any number of ruses to have Sierra come around to the front, side, back door of the home(or tho IMO not as likely, but still a possibility just somehow had Sierra open her window and he simply pulled her through, or had her climb out.for instance what if he said the home was on fire and all of the family was already safely outside and had her simply crawl out or be assisted out&through her bedroom window..this would mean there were no, or easily raised screens on her window..but nonetheless still a mere possibility and is also a scenario where the perp could be a COMPLETE STRANGER to Sierra and was posing as an authority figure(fireman/police officer) or even just as a "good samiritan"...again remote as far as bedroom window scenario goes but yet a possibility imo).. of course the one staple MUST BE THAT THE PERP IS KNOWN AND POSSIBLY EVEN TRUSTED ON SOME LEVEL BY THE VICTIM for this scenario to fit(save the emergency bedroom window scenario where stranger could pose as authority figure or helpful individual attempting to save her life) ..

With so very little known factors there is a myriad of differing ways this perp could have successfully abducted Sierra.. some of them having left little to zero evidence behind that could be used to help identify the perpatrator.. hoping soon we will hear that LE is well on their way to identifying and arresting this child sexual predator/murderer!

All of the above are jmo, and nothing more! :moo:
 
  • #279
My feeling is that someone inside the home or who had been inside the home on some kind of regular basis will turn out to be responsible...that is, if this case is one that is solved.
 
  • #280
Although this is West Jordan PD, I am a bit worried about how long the "analysis" of the video surveillance could take. We all know how long it took WVPD to look at the computer files of JP and find horrific 🤬🤬🤬🤬 depicting incest!!

I am shocked that there has not been another word about this little angel!
 

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