UT - Sierra Newbold, 6, abducted & murdered, West Jordan, 26 June 2012 *Arrest*

  • #281
Above respectfully snipped by me..
I believe your above train of thought is definitely a possibility as to what the dynamics are of how this crime was executed.. while early on I do know that it was reported that there were supposedly NO SIGNS OF A BREAK IN/FORCED ENTRY into the Neubold home, but since then it is one of the details that are now being answered with a NO COMMENT and no verifying this to be fact.. IMO I believe the initial reports are likely accurate and that quite possibly there are no signs of forcible entry into the home.. I believe NVgirl gives a very plausible theory as to how the perp gained entry to the home WITHOUT forcible entry.. we know from following similar cases that the likelihood is greater that Sierra was atleast somewhat familiar with her killer rather than the perp being a complete, unknown stranger.. while not certain of any aspects as being facts but IMO in theorizing possibilities and dynamics of this assault/murder IMO this perp is going to be atleast somewhat familiar with his victim, her family that lived in the home, layout of the interior of the home(including aware of interior surveillance), as well as likely familiar with this families habits and schedules..

NVgirl also presents IMO the likelihood that the perp abducted Sierra at some point overnight/early pre-dawn hours, rather than the very tight time frame of dads leaving the home for work at 7am.. and the 30mins til mom became aware that Sierra was not in her bedroom or the home.. and as we know from there it quickly was unfolded within a matter of another half hour from when mom calls 911 at 7:30 and LE discover Sierras body by 8am one block from the home.. I personally don't believe it likely that Sierra was in her bed/in the home when dad left the home at 7am(and I know there are those who don't understand how/why a parent, any parent could possibly be completely unaware that their child was not in their bedroom, in their bed when the parent is awake,preps for work, and leaves the home...ALL WITHOUT EVER CHECKING IN ON THEIR CHILD) ..but IMO it very much happens and IMO is more standard than many believe, especially when the parent is leaving the home in early morning hours when everyone else in the family is still sleeping.. this is SOP.. they awake, shower, quietly walk thru the family home so as to not wake any of the sleeping fam members, maybe or maybe not quickly grab a quick breakfast from the kitchen and then quietly out the door and off to work.. many, many times IF ANYONE is seen, spoken to, or kissed good bye it is strictly going to be ONLY THE SPOUSE with whom they share a bedroom/bathroom with.. and even then many times they do not wish to even disturb or wake the spouse.. but IMO more often than not the early morning working parent does not see, speak, kiss good bye the sleeping children in the home.. as well as IMO when there is a schedule of an early morning working shift for one of the parents even morseo will we see the children's bedroom doors are pulled shut for the obvious reasons jmo..

This therefore the very logical and understandable reasons that an early morning working parent would NOT ever be aware that a child was NOT behind that closed bedroom door, safely in their bed, fast asleep as the child is every other morning of their lives..

Its for those reasons why I am also not automatically suspicious of it being indicative of parental involvement.. with the teeny modicum of details/info that we know while I definitely believe its very likely that the perp is someone fairly well known to/by Sierra, but not at all necessarily an "inside job" of anyone presently living in the home.. am definitely not ruling this possibility out, tho (especially with all of the above discussed possibilities of MUCH OLDER siblings, blood related or not) ..but DEFINITELY NOT necessarily an "inside job" if its accurate that there was no forced entry..

the manipulation of a 6 year old, young, trusting little girl is sadly like taking candy from a baby for a predator, especially! ..they hone such type skills to use on their young prey.. my God the possibilities are endless of ruses that could have been used to quietly have the victim actually assist the perp in his making effortless entry into the family home.. one other possibility/scenario is quite likely that the perp NEVER EVEN ENTERED THE HOME(thereby leaving zero forensic evidence behind) but rather had Sierra come to him by agreeing to open the door to the home and he quickly takes her from the doorway..if say the perp was to tap on Sierra's bedroom window and used any number of ruses to have Sierra come around to the front, side, back door of the home(or tho IMO not as likely, but still a possibility just somehow had Sierra open her window and he simply pulled her through, or had her climb out.for instance what if he said the home was on fire and all of the family was already safely outside and had her simply crawl out or be assisted out&through her bedroom window..this would mean there were no, or easily raised screens on her window..but nonetheless still a mere possibility and is also a scenario where the perp could be a COMPLETE STRANGER to Sierra and was posing as an authority figure(fireman/police officer) or even just as a "good samiritan"...again remote as far as bedroom window scenario goes but yet a possibility imo).. of course the one staple MUST BE THAT THE PERP IS KNOWN AND POSSIBLY EVEN TRUSTED ON SOME LEVEL BY THE VICTIM for this scenario to fit(save the emergency bedroom window scenario where stranger could pose as authority figure or helpful individual attempting to save her life) ..

With so very little known factors there is a myriad of differing ways this perp could have successfully abducted Sierra.. some of them having left little to zero evidence behind that could be used to help identify the perpatrator.. hoping soon we will hear that LE is well on their way to identifying and arresting this child sexual predator/murderer!

All of the above are jmo, and nothing more! :moo:
I agree with you all the way!! I have 4 kids my youngest are a set of twins, and the one next to that is only 18 months older, but when they were littler on Fridays my husband didnt work so i would get up early go have coffee with my friends and take the day to myself, hearing Isabel case and this case and i have heard people say i cant believe these parents dont go check on them. Well guess what neither did I. If i woke them up they would cry and want me, so i didnt bug them, but it doesnt make me a bad parent. You should feel safe in your home. Look at these parents they even have a security system. They felt safe. I have learned lately to never put my guard down. Unfortunatly thats how the world is
now :-(
 
  • #282
Wouldnt have to be someone inside the home, cause if they have a security system doesnt that come with an alarm system? Or not necessarly??
 
  • #283
Fox 13 News at 9pm:

Yes, canal was 4 feet deep.
They also said the FBI is sorting through video... (from homes, businesses, I don't know.)
They also said that they are treating it as a possible homicide so they don't miss any evidence.
They believe it's an isolated incident. There was no signs of a break in.

Oh and earlier on KSL Radio it said that although they don't know what happened to Sierra or who did it...
they are sure there isn't a "serial child stalker" on the loose.
:waitasec: Alrighty then.

PINK was Sierra's favorite color.

How SURE can they be? Really.
 
  • #284
I have to go back and read through this but, given that this happened at such an early hour and the little girl HAD to know the person not to wake the family. Hes got a knowledge of the neighborhoods depending on where hes carrying mail and a history of sex abuse. If the police arent giving that family some serious looking into I would be shocked.
 
  • #285
And finally, I dont buy that it was an isolated incident and not done by someone experienced as per the reports. A rookie child rapist doesnt choose to creep into a home of a stranger at that hour and lure a child out. The risks are too great. How do they know shes awake and alone? How do they know the girl wont scream? How do they know a dog wont bark or alarm wont sound? This wasnt criminal luck. Also, you cant lure a child rape and murder them in 30 minutes or less like pizza delivery unless you know what you are doing and know your target.
 
  • #286
And finally, I dont buy that it was an isolated incident and not done by someone experienced as per the reports. A rookie child rapist doesnt choose to creep into a home of a stranger at that hour and lure a child out. The risks are too great. How do they know shes awake and alone? How do they know the girl wont scream? How do they know a dog wont bark or alarm wont sound? This wasnt criminal luck. Also, you cant lure a child rape and murder them in 30 minutes or less like pizza delivery unless you know what you are doing and know your target.

IMO, this depends entirely on the IQ of the offender.

Some are opportunists.

Look at the beast who abducted Carlie Brucia, in the middle of the day, in the middle of a carpark. Elizabeth Smart's abduction was also under similar conditions as Sierra's.
 
  • #287
All of you are way ahead of me on this case, and this might not be pertinent by the time I catch up, forgive me if it's so, but is anyone else familiar with the Jaclyn Dowaliby case from September 1988? When the police insisted 'there was no breakin?'

They also said there WERE signs of trauma but wouldn't elaborate... but that seems to have disappeared... :waitasec:

Generally speaking, it seems to me someone that would leave a body that close to home isn't worried about it leading back to them.
It's not like this was an accidental bump on the head and panic... obviously a crime was committed even without the death...
So if it's an adult IN the home why leave the body so close? No signs of a break in doesn't mean much to me either... that happens a lot.
This is an odd one... maybe it will lead to solving more than just Sierra's case.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54385955-78/girl-police-west-autopsy.html.csp

There was no obvious sign of a break-in at her home, near 2400 West and 7100 South, Diamond said.

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At the time the mother called police, her husband had already left for work, Diamond said, but a younger sister and an older brother were home.

With the Newbold family’s cooperation, police obtained a search warrant to search their home for evidence, Diamond said.



http://fox13now.com/2012/06/27/police-west-jordan-girl-was-sexually-assaulted-murdered/

Police sought a number of warrants in connection with their investigation.

Police said they were also looking at surveillance video around Sierra’s home to aid their investigation.

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Police say they have evidence that the incident was isolated and they have not made any arrests in connection with the case.
 
  • #288
Wouldn't Downtown Salt Lake City would be to the north? It seems like it would be easier to disappear there, plus that's where all the public transport leads. Also, the closest exit from the canal road to a street is to the north. He would be more conspicuous trying to walk along the driveway past someone's farm house I think. It depends on where he was from and where he was going, but I wouldn't rule out the northern exit, especially for a transient.

Much, much more transit, people, etc. to the north. Especially in the middle of the night the perp would have been more conspicuous going through the in the suburbs. But a local might have had reason to flee south.

Yes DT Salt Lake is North East, about 15 miles N & 5 miles E, yes lots of trasients DT, however much to far to walk for an immediate destination, unless he had a car, changes everything.. again the directions are 'possibles' factors for equation, that I pointed out for those not familiar with the area to to help decide on their own. Like for you, North. Only I 'personally' think not likely North due to the flow of the canal (North), I feel the first thought to 'flee' would be directly away from the crime. I wouldn't want to move in the same direction of the crime scene, also that dirt road North leads to 7200S, which is a well lit high traffic artery due to West Jordan's heavy Westward expansion, even at night, as oppose to East to 2200W, which has very little usage in comparison and usually dark and dead at night, also if he did flee the area I think more likely immediate East because those farm lots are 1.5 acres a piece peppered with empty barns, far from 'suburb', easy to slip through in pitch black darkness, not to mention the apartment complex would be very inconspicuous for someone passing through due to usual high common people traffic (as well as the only parking lot in the area to leave a car w/o looking suspect). I lived on Sierra's street for 20 years, went to the elementary school neighboring her house, we cut through that field trail, bridge and "driveway" or dirt road East(shared), all the time as a shortcut. However. I personally don't believe he fled at all, I believe the perp returned to his home or hideout directly in the area. One possible interest or stone to turn would be a 2 story barn across 2200 with an out of state owner that has been unattended for many years that LE has found thieves hiding out in before(many years before, but follow all leads right?). In a case with this little information we can't rule out any of these possibilities, I merely attempt to expand consideration for when we get the next clue we at least have some other pieces of the puzzle to try and fit it too.

If you believe he went North, I'm not disagreeing with you. My goal with the map was to assist you/all in making your own determination in desperate hopes that you may think of something that helps bring this predator to light. We can't see which puzzle pieces fit if we leave em in the box. Is why I highlight any possibility that I can connect to reason or logic.

Furthermore, in the past 1-2 months within a 3 mile radius there was a report of a middle aged woman walking in her house finding a man with a tattooed face fleeing her home(did not see an update report or whether or not captured) another elderly woman a few blocks west 2700w 7200s heard knocking at her door in the night, turned on her porch light seeing a naked older man (40's) with a long beard holding himself jumping around/rocking trying to come in her house. Confirmed LE never found this man upon arrival.
 
  • #289
Yes DT Salt Lake is North East, about 15 miles N & 5 miles E, yes lots of trasients DT, however much to far to walk for an immediate destination, unless he had a car, changes everything.. again the directions are 'possibles' factors for equation, that I pointed out for those not familiar with the area to to help decide on their own. Like for you, North. Only I 'personally' think not likely North due to the flow of the canal (North), I feel the first thought to 'flee' would be directly away from the crime. I wouldn't want to move in the same direction of the crime scene, also that dirt road North leads to 7200S, which is a well lit high traffic artery due to West Jordan's heavy Westward expansion, even at night, as oppose to East to 2200W, which has very little usage in comparison and usually dark and dead at night, also if he did flee the area I think more likely immediate East because those farm lots are 1.5 acres a piece peppered with empty barns, far from 'suburb', easy to slip through in pitch black darkness, not to mention the apartment complex would be very inconspicuous for someone passing through due to usual high common people traffic (as well as the only parking lot in the area to leave a car w/o looking suspect). I lived on Sierra's street for 20 years, went to the elementary school neighboring her house, we cut through that field trail, bridge and "driveway" or dirt road East(shared), all the time as a shortcut. However. I personally don't believe he fled at all, I believe the perp returned to his home or hideout directly in the area. One possible interest or stone to turn would be a 2 story barn across 2200 with an out of state owner that has been unattended for many years that LE has found thieves hiding out in before(many years before, but follow all leads right?). In a case with this little information we can't rule out any of these possibilities, I merely attempt to expand consideration for when we get the next clue we at least have some other pieces of the puzzle to try and fit it too.

If you believe he went North, I'm not disagreeing with you. My goal with the map was to assist you/all in making your own determination in desperate hopes that you may think of something that helps bring this predator to light. We can't see which puzzle pieces fit if we leave em in the box. Is why I highlight any possibility that I can connect to reason or logic.

THANK YOU for the personal/local insights. I keep leaning towards this possibly being a local 'neer do well', maybe 19 to 25 yrs old, living in mom's basment, downloading 🤬🤬🤬🤬 all day and then watching the kids walk home from school. :eek:
 
  • #290
Please do not sleuth family members or anyone else-especially underage folk.
This can change if someone is named as a suspect or POI.
Thanks.
 
  • #291
THANK YOU for the personal/local insights. I keep leaning towards this possibly being a local 'neer do well', maybe 19 to 25 yrs old, living in mom's basment, downloading 🤬🤬🤬🤬 all day and then watching the kids walk home from school. :eek:

I agree.

The fact that he apparently didn't have a car, was very disorganised, a risk taker, apparently impulsive, plus the time of day, all show a young offender IMO - and a local one. Probably known to LE but for things like snowdropping and peeping, maybe theft...but not an RSO.

MOO
 
  • #292
I agree.

The fact that he apparently didn't have a car, was very disorganised, a risk taker, apparently impulsive, plus the time of day, all show a young offender IMO - and a local one. Probably known to LE but for things like snowdropping and peeping, maybe theft...but not an RSO.

MOO

Yes. And since the apparently live right beside a school, that worries me too. Because pedophiles often find ways to sit and watch in those areas. When parents are sitting in cars waiting for their kids after school, it is easy for a perp to sit and pretend to be waiting as well. And they can get a good idea of who walks home alone etc. He may have seen Sierra and her sister walking into their home before.
 
  • #293
A brief update on the status of the Sierra Newbold case from West Jordan Police Department.

answers are slow in coming
We remain very cognizant of, and share in, the fear and anxiety that exists in this community stemming from this tragedy. We are maintaining a high police presence in the community. We assure you that all that can be done is being done to bring the responsible person(s) to justice and to protect this community. We still urge parents to be vigilant in keeping their families safe.


I'm glad to see they continue to have a high police presence there in the neighborhood! (But they urge parents to be vigilant in keeping their families safe!):ohoh: That's not very encouraging.

http://www.wjordan.com/Files/PR/Press%20Releases/Press%20Update%20on%20Sierra%20Newbold%20Case%20for%20July%206%202012.pdf
 
  • #294
I agree.

The fact that he apparently didn't have a car, was very disorganised, a risk taker, apparently impulsive, plus the time of day, all show a young offender IMO - and a local one. Probably known to LE but for things like snowdropping and peeping, maybe theft...but not an RSO.

MOO

I've just started following this case after watching NG last night so I apologize if my question was already asked.

When you say time of day, what do you mean? My understanding according to NG, the mom gets up at 7 - 7:30 am and finds her daughter missing. Dad was already gone to work.

Do we know when the crime occurred? It appears it could have been anytime from when Sierra went to bed to when mom woke.

Did the autopsy reveal any indication of approximate time of death? What about COD?

TIA

Nancy Grace transcripts from last night:

Utah Girl`s Body Found 30 Minutes After Missing Report

Aired July 6, 2012 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/06/ng.01.html
 
  • #295
Surveillance video at the Newbold home captured images from the time Sierra went missing, but police have not said what those images showed.

Investigators declined to release further information on their progress in the case, citing the need to "maintain the integrity of the investigation." Sierra’s family "remains very cooperative" and they continue to assist police, Sanders said.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54441944-78/police-sanders-sierra-girl.html.csp
 
  • #296
Whoever did this is one heck of a gutsy 🤬🤬🤬 or very stupid. Did he/she not notice the surveillance cameras? Hopefully, his/her stupidity will get their butt in prison real soon!

I'm thinking a local also but is the age of both girls, surveillance cameras and how they were snatched right out of their beds just a coincidence?

Sierra and Isabel ?
 
  • #297
I've just started following this case after watching NG last night so I apologize if my question was already asked.

When you say time of day, what do you mean? My understanding according to NG, the mom gets up at 7 - 7:30 am and finds her daughter missing. Dad was already gone to work.

Do we know when the crime occurred? It appears it could have been anytime from when Sierra went to bed to when mom woke.

Did the autopsy reveal any indication of approximate time of death? What about COD?

TIA

Nancy Grace transcripts from last night:

Utah Girl`s Body Found 30 Minutes After Missing Report

Aired July 6, 2012 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/06/ng.01.html

Good morning NT,

We don't have any of those answers you're wanting. LE is keeping EVERYTHING very close to their vest. Basically all we know is Mom called 911 at 7:30 and body was found at 8. Nothing else - no COD, no autopsy results, don't know if dad checked on her when he left at 7 (seems impossible though). Time of abduction/death unknown.
 
  • #298
Good morning NT,

We don't have any of those answers you're wanting. LE is keeping EVERYTHING very close to their vest. Basically all we know is Mom called 911 at 7:30 and body was found at 8. Nothing else - no COD, no autopsy results, don't know if dad checked on her when he left at 7 (seems impossible though). Time of abduction/death unknown.

Good Morning and thanks for the reply.

From the article I posted earlier, it appears they did get something from the surveillance video and hopefully a time stamp of when the crime occurred along with other evidence. I hope!!

If the perp was caught on camera, any thoughts as to why they won't release the video or at the very least a sketch of the suspect? I would think considering the entire community is on edge, it would help LE identify the perp or bring in more tips? Unless, of course, they already have an idea of who did this.

Any RSO's in the area?
 
  • #299
She was such a beautiful girl. :tears:

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:rose: :rose:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...old-6-sexually-assaulted-dead-Utah-canal.html
 
  • #300

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