UT UT- STILL MISSING 5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley , Logan, 25 May 2019 (UNCLE ARRESTED) #2

[Victoria17]

I’m guessing that this was just easy obvious things that they could use to detain him, without even getting into the real reason they wanted to.

I think dna testing takes several hours to complete. They had plenty to hold him on, but I knew they said they felt she was harmed and anytime the FBI gets involved that quickly they’re usually searching for more than just a missing person at that point. MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Self delete

 

[ClaireNC]

Google 'aluminum mini bat' - to me something like that seems most logical to be able to be carried in the back pocket.

Whatever type of bat it is, LE claims it is a dangerous weapon. Would a mini bat be considered dangerous?

 

[Victoria17]

just quickly checking in this afternoon, what bat! We have news of a bat? Can somebody put up the link please.

http://kslnewsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Whipple-PC.pdf

 

[moonlessnight]

the dogs would hit in the car. maybe not cadaver dogs but tracking dogs.

I think he drove her, since clearly the tracking dogs didn’t lead to her body. If he killed her in the house, I think he got her body out super quick, prior to cadaverine being released. There is no reason he couldn’t take her body immediately, take one of the vehicles from the house, drive 5-10 minutes away and dump her within a short time of her death.

If he did this quickly, there wouldn’t be anything for the cadaver dogs to hit on, and if the tracking dogs tracked her to their vehicles that wouldn’t be weird because she leaves the house and gets in the car regularly.

 

[moonlessnight]

spice is very different than MJ. It is more agitating and mixed with meth it's a mess.

http://kslnewsradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Whipple-PC.pdf

 

[Herat]

I wonder if he might have found it during his gallivanting jaunt thru Logan, Paradise & Hyrum.

He didn’t really make it into Paradise.......

He was arrested outside of Paradise

( I couldn’t help myself, sorry)

 

[Herat]

Whatever type of bat it is, LE claims it is a dangerous weapon. Would a mini bat be considered dangerous?

It’s enough to qualify as a dangerous weapon in the posession of a felon and get him arrested

 

[Knox]

Hmmm. Still trying to imagine carrying a metal baseball bat in your back pocket....

" male had a metal baseball bat tucked in his back pocket and hidden in his jacket along his back."

I visualize it like this; the majority length of the bat is under his jacket, the end of the bat is tucked in his back pocket to keep it from falling straight through to the ground. Clearly he either didn't have free hands to carry it, or was hiding it from view.

 

[moonlessnight]

they found her clothes in his possession.

Evidence ties uncle to missing 5-year-old Utah girl, police say | East Idaho News

Im wondering too. They for some reason think she was harmed and this article says there was forensic evidence on him linking him to her.

 

[SuperTmo]

I think dna testing takes several hours to complete. They had plenty to hold him on, but I knew they said they felt she was harmed and anytime the FBI gets involved that quickly they’re usually searching for more than just a missing person at that point. MOO

Honestly, I was surprised to hear that they had any DNA evidence back that quickly. It seems even in these high profile cases it takes a few days to get confirmation.

 

[asew590]

I think he drove her, since clearly the tracking dogs didn’t lead to her body. If he killed her in the house, I think he got her body out super quick, prior to cadaverine being released. There is no reason he couldn’t take her body immediately, take one of the vehicles from the house, drive 5-10 minutes away and dump her within a short time of her death.

If he did this quickly, there wouldn’t be anything for the cadaver dogs to hit on, and if the tracking dogs tracked her to their vehicles that wouldn’t be weird because she leaves the house and gets in the car regularly.

While I agree that this would explain why they haven’t found her yet, IMO if he was coherent enough to steal and return a car completely undetected, he would have thought to just go back to sleep afterwards so as not to draw immediate suspicion on himself. Or at the very least grab his skateboard after to make a faster getaway.

 

[Victoria17]

they found her clothes in his possession.

I do not see where they found his clothes in his possession from the police affidavit.

 

[SuperTmo]

the dogs would hit in the car. maybe not cadaver dogs but tracking dogs.

For all we know, they did. Unless she hadn’t gotten in the car in a week, why wouldn’t they hit there? Tracking dogs would most certainly follow my kid’s scent from my house to my car. It doesn’t seem like they led them anywhere though.

 

[moonlessnight]

yah, in hot, dry, Colorado a jogger ran down a trail carrying a kid that had been bitten by a rattlesnake while the mom and other child hiked back out. the kid survived btw. when you have adrenaline/meth/spice fueling you, you can carry a kid easily.

Yes. I said in the last thread that I walked 2-3 miles with my 6 year old, crashed out. She got sick on a hike. You just do what you are motivated to do, and I was motivated to not sleep on a trail so I tossed her on my back and did the best I could! I’m a 4’10” woman. 40 pounds for this guy wouldn’t be that hard. But this all assumes she was already dead. For all we know she walked happily, because she had no idea she couldn’t trust her uncle.

 

[Trudie]

He must have really been zoned out to think he didn’t need to oblige LE & tomthink he could get away from them.

Oh my, he’s got a lot to learn before he moves to Utah State, moo.

 

[moonlessnight]

SM: this article says he was in possession of her clothing.
Search continues for missing 5-year-old Utah girl, uncle in custody

I do not see where they found his clothes in his possession from the police affidavit.

 

[Victoria17]

SM Search continues for missing 5-year-old Utah girl, uncle in custody

I’m referring to the actual police affidavit, it said nothing about her clothing on him, just everything else.

 

[Knox]

It’s enough to qualify as a dangerous weapon in the posession of a felon and get him arrested

I think it might have been the "concealed" aspect that made it a chargeable offense. Likely one of those charges that gets dropped when it goes to court.

 

[JudgeJoe]

I also think mom noticed things on the house prompting her call to LE. Otherwise, she might have thought they went to the local store or park. Half an hour in most cases wouldn’t cause a mom to panic if her adult bro/child were both gone. It is MOO most of us would assume all was okay.
I’m gonna guess she found missing bed linens.
Moo

Unless Mom didn’t trust the brother. And the child was only 5. And there was no discussion of a possible trip to store/park. And no note. Lots of reasons to call 911 in 30 minutes. The very least of all that gut instinct.