UT UT- STILL MISSING 5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley , Logan, 25 May 2019 (UNCLE ARRESTED) #2

[Trudie]

While some believe this wasnt premeditated, I respectfully disagree. Imo it has all the earmarks requiring premeditation.

I’ve thought premeditation from the beginning. Friday-Saturday, for unknown reasons, he finally decided he had to act & was able to place himself in position to access her.
Idk his mental status but his FB posts (not photos) indicate
he was troubled at some point. Just my take on his words.
As far as the bat, I think he might have picked it up during his travels. I do think he would have car jacked or robbed someone later, maybe taking a homeowner hostage. Eventually he was going to need food/water. Jmo

I think the quickest, easiest place for him to dispose of Liz was a water source.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

He cooperated with LEO, and confessed. And his family had plenty of cash for an attorney.

The law was different at that time, too. After the uproar over Mark's sentence, the minimum sentence was increased.

 

[Krayzee_kat_ladee]

I still think he could get away with a lot of travel relatively unseen by following the railroad tracks - say from the Pepsi Plant to alongside S640W all the way in to Hyrum and the JBS Meat plant area.

It goes past the skate park (he'd know it well), pas the baseball diamonds, completely through the golf course in a relatively obscure area that would not get a lot of foot traffic, through some industrial areas that would be quiet before dawn on a Saturday and through a couple of subdivisions, where he wouldnt be spotted by doorbell cameras.

I would encourage LE to look intensely along those lines. They are not much used and there are lots of old warehouses and sheds in the industrial areas

The railroad tracks have been a main focus for almost the whole time for the search, specifically in one strip of area, but family and friends stated that the tracks were his choice of travel when going long distances. I think those need to searched with a fine toothed comb. They also run right along the river in some areas, like where the dive teams were yesterday.

 

[Hoosier2019]

I think we are going to learn the baseball bat was his weapon of choice.
Jmo

IMO it was part of his daily carry kit and was not picked up from the local batting cages. If he usually travels via foot/skateboard/ public transportation it would have made sense he kept some form of protection for when he travels. Even more so if everyone knows he usually has drugs to steal. It could be unrelated.

 

[PeriwinkleE]

I find it interesting that LE is asking for any sightings of AW on Saturday late afternoon on.
Where did he shower and shave (his mugshot is clean shaven except for the goatee) where did he keep his suit and shirt and tie so he didn't look wrinkled and disheveled?
Where are the clothes etc. he took off at that time?
Did he have a backpacker size backpack or a smaller one?
How did he get from the reception to the home, did he walk?

There was no wedding, remember.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

He is in no way organized.. he didn’t plan this out and is very impulsive... I bet you he had a knife early on, disposed of it like the clothes and other evidence and grabbed the bat somewhere on his long journey after he felt vulnerable without a weapon. He didn’t seem to care about probation at all til the minute he was apprehended hence his comment to the officers about possessing marijuana.
He’s gotten really lucky thus far that they haven’t found her... ugh
I still have not felt that this was revenge but rather some intense sexual impulse after having had lots of alcohol and an opportunity to prey on her. Zero regard for his probation, his family, her life or his future... definitely a slew of severe mental health issues at play IMOO

Lots of people have mental issues, they don't kill especially not children.
MOO

 

[Herat]

There was no wedding, remember.

Interesting, a poster last night who wants to be a Verified Insider claimed there was a family wedding and that's why they arrived back to the home late and that was also why he was wearing a suit.

It's about time we got this issue straight.

 

[Hoosier2019]

There was no wedding, remember.

I have seen many people mention he Alex and his sister were estranged until recently due to attending a wedding, however I could not find any concrete reference to a wedding other than internet chatter from sleuths. Can we confirm if there was a family wedding?

If there was a wedding, that explains how he might have ended up staying at her house after drinking at a wedding. I also assume if they (mom/ alex / boyfriend) stayed up until 2, they were partaking in other substances.

Jmo

 

[asew590]

I find it interesting that LE is asking for any sightings of AW on Saturday late afternoon on.
Where did he shower and shave (his mugshot is clean shaven except for the goatee) where did he keep his suit and shirt and tie so he didn't look wrinkled and disheveled?
Where are the clothes etc. he took off at that time?
Did he have a backpacker size backpack or a smaller one?
How did he get from the reception to the home, did he walk?

I don’t think he showered, shaved or anything similar. The gas station attendant who saw him was quoted as saying he looked “disheveled like he was on a binge of some kind” Alex Whipple: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Edited by me to delete a question I already found the answer to

 

[Hoosier2019]

Are we allowed to discuss family members public posts about the case or only the poi?

Edit: No
Only information that has been released by Law Enforcement or reported by MainStreamMedia

 

[missingm]

The railroad tracks have been a main focus for almost the whole time for the search, specifically in one strip of area, but family and friends stated that the tracks were his choice of travel when going long distances. I think those need to searched with a fine toothed comb. They also run right along the river in some areas, like where the dive teams were yesterday.

The one thing that has annoyed me in this is how the police called off volunteers who wanted to help. At the very least volunteers could have walked the railroad tracks to look for anything discarded along the way. The police got overconfident here and would look foolish if they asked for help now, which they probably need.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I’ve thought premeditation from the beginning. Friday-Saturday, for unknown reasons, he finally decided he had to act & was able to place himself in position to access her.
Idk his mental status but his FB posts (not photos) indicate
he was troubled at some point. Just my take on his words.
As far as the bat, I think he might have picked it up during his travels. I do think he would have car jacked or robbed someone later, maybe taking a homeowner hostage. Eventually he was going to need food/water. Jmo

I think the quickest, easiest place for him to dispose of Liz was a water source.

Thank you.

I think it's going to be determined the bat came from Elizabeth's home or belonged to the murderer himself.

Imo when he left with Elizabeth he had it with him. The suit he was said to be wearing would be sufficient to hide the bat from Elizabeth seeing it.

Even if she did see it she wouldnt think he took it along to harm her. He could have told her it was to protect her if they ran into any aggressive dogs on their venture.

Imo the baseball bat is the key as to why LE went immediately into a full blown recovery mode once it was discovered.

Imoo

 

[Hoosier2019]

I don’t think he showered, shaved or anything similar. The gas station attendant who saw him was quoted as saying he looked “disheveled like he was on a binge of some kind” Alex Whipple: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Edited by me to delete a question I already found the answer to

If he attended a wedding and drank, went back to his sisters for the afterparty, then traveled on foot an unknown distance and still bought more beer, he had to have looked rough.

 

[Herat]

Are we allowed to discuss family members public posts about the case or only the poi?

No.

Only information that has been released by Law Enforcement or reported by MainStreamMedia

So No to Facebook posts, No to local Neighborhood posts, No to other social media posts.

If you are questioning what to post please contact a Moderator and ask them. They run the show and own the site and do a terrific job of keeping WebSleuths straight and informative. Not a gossip monger site full of trolls

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The one thing that has annoyed me in this is how the police called off volunteers who wanted to help. At the very least volunteers could have walked the railroad tracks to look for anything discarded along the way. The police got overconfident here and would look foolish if they asked for help now, which they probably need.

That often happens in cases like this.

LE knows all evidence out there has a chance of being contaminated by outside searchers.

Imo they are protecting the integrity of all of the evidence, and investigation knowing all of it must hold up in a court of law one day.

Imo

 

[JudgeJoe]

I don’t think he showered, shaved or anything similar. The gas station attendant who saw him was quoted as saying he looked “disheveled like he was on a binge of some kind” Alex Whipple: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Edited by me to delete a question I already found the answer to

The article in your post says 3PM Saturday. At quick mart 1:30PM

 

[Trudie]

I find it interesting that LE is asking for any sightings of AW on Saturday late afternoon on.
Where did he shower and shave (his mugshot is clean shaven except for the goatee) where did he keep his suit and shirt and tie so he didn't look wrinkled and disheveled?
Where are the clothes etc. he took off at that time?
Did he have a backpacker size backpack or a smaller one?
How did he get from the reception to the home, did he walk?

They had him in custody late Saturday afternoon.
Two mugshots, one in blue shirt is an older, from a previous incident, (incidents he was on probation for) mugshot wearing suicide smock is the recent mugshot.

 

[Herat]

I don't think the moderators will allow further comments like this or sleuthing of the parents.

 

[Trudie]

I think it's going to be determined the bat came from Elizabeth's home or belonged to the murderer himself.

Imo when he left with Elizabeth he had it with him. The suit he was said to be wearing would be sufficient to hide the bat from Elizabeth seeing it.

Possibly it was Liz’s bat. Idk
I think she was killed in the home, not walked out alive.
I have wondered about his true, was it also a weapon?
Some people dress for success, did he dress for murder?

 

[SuziQ]

And a small farming town in Utah. Yes, it probably didn't have the larger stock of alcoholic beverages that one sees in convenience stores along major tourist highways. Funny thought.

And 3.2 beer at that.