UT UT- STILL MISSING 5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley , Logan, 25 May 2019 (UNCLE ARRESTED) #2

[Trudie]

That picture was Friday right? At a Wal-mart people figured? Yes, they would know how he came and left then and know what he purchased as well. Was he on his board, on foot, did someone drive him, did he drive...? Do you remember offhand what time that was?

No time stamp, that I know of. He was carrying his board.
I think he bought Minute Maid juice. Photos posted earlier today.

 

[carbuff]

That picture was Friday right? At a Wal-mart people figured? Yes, they would know how he came and left then and know what he purchased as well. Was he on his board, on foot, did someone drive him, did he drive...? Do you remember offhand what time that was?

He appears to be carrying his skateboard. At least that's what it looks like to me.

 

[Trudie]

He appears to be carrying his skateboard. At least that's what it looks like to me.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/28/cops-...-uncle-suspected-in-utah-girls-disappearance/

Photos here, I think he has his board.

Hope he had a nice walk this evening, around his cell.

 

[SuperTmo]

What is your theory, blood on an object?

Honestly, I don’t know. I feel like my current theory is they are not being honest about the evidence they say they have. Alternatively, they are making it sound more impressive or like it’s a slam dunk when it isn’t. That isn’t to say that he didn’t do it or that someone else did. I can’t shake the feeling that they have found sooo much stuff on this guy so quickly, that he sounds like a super sloppy criminal. With all the evidence he allegedly left, he might as well have just left her there. Yet there is no body and no images of them together. The dude was on foot not far from her house.

Until they find a body, I will probably believe he swapped her for a drug debt and her clothing was buried so that 1) she wouldn’t be recognized and 2) so whoever has her wouldn’t be found with it (which would help identify her).

 

[Hte2w8]

Tysm
I understand but I question if co mingled fluids are on an object, the object might have been brought from the house, it would not conclusively prove they were there together, would it? For ex: say the shirt she last wore was found with co mingled blood, he (Or anyone) could have brought the shirt outside, correct?
Now, if co mingled fluids were found on the ground, that would be Different? Ty

I think the absence of blood or other evidence IN the house is what LE is drawing their conclusion from. At this point it's all an educated guess, and LE theories have been known to be wrong or evolve over time as new evidence is presented.

 

[SuperTmo]

I know, they transitioned to recovery very fast. Back pedaled on that today though.
It would appear they found enough blood evidence to conclude “this won’t end well.”

Ayla Reynolds went missing from her dad’s house while on a visit with him. He lived with his mom and sister at the time. They found enough of her blood in the basement where he lived to conclude that she couldn’t have survived whatever happened to her. No body, no charges, and I don’t think they ever even called it a homicide investigation. I wish there was a standard protocol in every state for stuff like this. Like dude. If your kid bled a lot of her blood just prior to her never being seen again, that should be an automatic murder charge for someone!

 

[grannygates]

I put together a quick timeline of AW whereabouts w/google maps "walking time". Pls let me know if I was mistaken w/any part!

2:00 AM. ES last seen by mother on her way to bed.

6:30 AM approx. AW spotted by business owner video surveillance running behind an abandoned traincar on the property across from them on s700w, this property is kitty-corner from the church. AW then seen walking north across Western Mechanical driveway on same road by same camera(not sure time btwn) Western Mechanical is a 7 min walk from corner of 400w and w100s (approx address of LS) he appeared to be walking with somewhat of an irregular gait(?) and business owner said he thought AW's pants looked wet below the knee.

6:46 AM approx. AW alleged to be seen on Cafe Sabor video surveillance (we have not seen this footage) this is approx 4 min walk north from Western Mechanical per google directions.

1:30 PM. AW spotted at Hyrum Shortstop. this is approx 2 hr 30 min walk south from Cafe Sabor. Bought beer and smokes, looking disheveled.

3:00PM AW picked up by LE near 7600s and 2400w in Hyrum. I can't find these road names on google maps?

 

[PaulaDC]

I don’t even know! She was missing 30 hours before she was found. I recall seeing a photo or news story that had either a cop or DSHS worker sitting on the couch. So disturbing.

Quite possible she wasn't dead the entire time?

 

[insearchoflight]

I think the absence of blood or other evidence IN the house is what LE is drawing their conclusion from. At this point it's all an educated guess, and LE theories have been known to be wrong or evolve over time as new evidence is presented.

I agree. I think they found significant evidence outside the house but not inside the house. This dude is sloppy. I think they will find her soon.

 

[ilovechili]

Your post made me think about ES's shoes. Were any of her shoes missing? If not, he likely carried her out injured or dead. I also thought I saw a detached garage/barn on the property. Did anyone else see this? As far as DNA outside the home linking them as being together, could it be her clothing they found with both his and her DNA. Does that necessarily mean they were still together or did he think all he needed to do was dispose of the physical evidence that tied him to her? He was probably not thinking too clearly when all this was happening, given his alcohol and drug use.

I'm still unsure as to whether the evil transpired in the house or outside the house, maybe the garage? Strange that there is no video of little ES with him anywhere, or at least yet. Sincerely hope they locate her soon. Such enormous heartache for the family.

Is there a garage or barn? That is one thing I have wondered.

As far as her shoes missing, I have no idea but that is a great point that if a pair was missing it would show something. If a shoe or shoes were found, they could also be matched to prints and identified by her mother.

I am undecided whether in the house or out of the house as well. I see things to support either viewpoint in the little we know.

I cannot believe they have not located her yet. That is not intended negatively at LE, I just think we all hoped because they were concentrated in a fairly small radius around the home that they would quickly find her--and because as far as we know he was on foot...

 

[ilovechili]

No time stamp, that I know of. He was carrying his board.
I think he bought Minute Maid juice. Photos posted earlier today.

He appears to be carrying his skateboard. At least that's what it looks like to me.

That's right, I forgot he was carrying the board. Thank you both.

 

[Knox]

I agree. I think they found significant evidence outside the house but not inside the house. This dude is sloppy. I think they will find her soon.

Yep so sloppy the FBI, State Police, CART, FBI and local LE agencies can't find Lizzi. I don't want to give him any credit, but four days later she still hasn't been found.

 

[susiQ]

Is there a garage or barn? That is one thing I have wondered.

As far as her shoes missing, I have no idea but that is a great point that if a pair was missing it would show something. If a shoe or shoes were found, they could also be matched to prints and identified by her mother.

I am undecided whether in the house or out of the house as well. I see things to support either viewpoint in the little we know.

I cannot believe they have not located her yet. That is not intended negatively at LE, I just think we all hoped because they were concentrated in a fairly small radius around the home that they would quickly find her--and because as far as we know he was on foot...

I mention garage, possible barn because our son's home in a smallish town has a two story garage that was a horse barn 130 years ago, but looks like a "garage" now. I'll look to see if I can find the video I watched that appeared to show a detached building.

 

[grannygates]

I mention garage, possible barn because our son's home in a smallish town has a two story garage that was a horse barn 130 years ago, but looks like a "garage" now. I'll look to see if I can find the video I watched that appeared to show a detached building.

a lot of the properties in the area appear to have detached garages or outbuildings.

 

[SuperTmo]

Quite possible she wasn't dead the entire time?

Ugh. That’s even worse. Poor little girl.

 

[Hte2w8]

At this point I'm beginning to think she was possibly placed in water. She would sink, then days or weeks later, surface. If the water was cold it would take longer, and if the water was moving she could be downstream a ways. I hope I'm wrong and that they find her, but I thought they would have found her already, so I'm open to alternate theories.

 

[insearchoflight]

Yep so sloppy the FBI, State Police, CART, FBI and local LE agencies can't find Lizzi. I don't want to give him any credit, but four days later she still hasn't been found.

It’s not that easy to find a body that quick

 

[Hazelnutty]

Where is this sweet little innocent girl?

Why are the purest of souls taken by the most evil amongst us.

Prayers for those searching for little Elizabeth .

 

[SuperTmo]

Yep so sloppy the FBI, State Police, CART, FBI and local LE agencies can't find Lizzi. I don't want to give him any credit, but four days later she still hasn't been found.

Yeah... I mean, I initially was sure he did harm her, especially with the false info that he had her clothes with him. But the longer this goes on, I admit I’m wondering. I can’t imagine where he could have put her, given his mode of transportation was his feet. But like everyone pointed out... too many coincidences.

 

[SuperTmo]

It’s not that easy to find a body that quick

With the fast response and the massive resources they are dedicating to this, they should have found her long before now. She was kidnapped on foot!