UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #2

[theforgotten]

Do we know how Susan and Josh meet? I'm wondering, because of the age difference.

 

[lemonmoussetart]

I wonder who is blowing smoke about if he is cooperating with LE or not ?

That would be his attorney saying "as his defense, he does not have to appear."
Divisive, yes! Illegal, no. unfortunately :behindbar

 

[Texas Mist]

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WEST VALLEY CITY — The husband of a woman missing for more than a week answered police questions Tuesday after declining to show up for an interview with police the previous night, his attorney said.

Salt Lake City attorney Scott Williams told the Associated Press that he and Josh Powell met with West Valley City police on Tuesday.

Police said they weren't happy when Powell, whose wife, Susan, has been missing since Dec. 6, when he didn't show up for a third interview Monday night, based on advice from his attorney.

...

Meanwhile, there was no new information Tuesday into the disappearance of Susan Powell.
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"We have searched the house, the area around the house, the neighborhood. The fact is, we just don't have a specific area (to search). There are no new leads. She has not been sighted anywhere to mount a search in that area," McLachlan said.

....

Josh Powell returned home about 5 p.m. on Dec. 7. He was interviewed by police that night. A second interview was conducted the next day, McLachlan said.

A third interview, scheduled for Monday, never happened.


more here

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705351731/Josh-Powell-skips-police-interview.html

 

[Dr.Fessel]

HI did you all see this article:

Missing Utah mom's husband met with police
By BROCK VERGAKIS and JENNIFER DOBNER (AP) – 1 hour ago

SALT LAKE CITY — An attorney says the husband of a missing Utah woman has been answering questions on a daily basis and is not hindering an investigation into her disappearance.

Attorney Scott Williams tells The Associated Press that he and Josh Powell met with West Valley City police on Tuesday. He says Powell is answering police questions in an effort to help find his wife, Susan Powell.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jE-50f71E8ypwigW42nKuDx27hxAD9CK3JQO0

We will know when he is answering questions truthfully when he tells them where her body is.

 

[lemonmoussetart]

We will know when he is answering questions truthfully when he tells them where her body is.

Amen Dr. F!

 

[Fairy1]

I have travelled a great deal in Southern Utah and I shudder to think where this young woman could be. Earlier this year they found a young man who had been missing well over a year in So. UT. He had driven off the road and was found right there - still in his truck. Who knows how many times they had been over that area?

I am hoping against all hope that Josh will break down and tell LE where he put her.

 

[Texas Mist]

I noticed his lip thing also, I never saw any one do that before.........is it a normal?

I don't know about normal, passionflower...but it bugs the heck out of me...I just know I've seen that facial expression before & have strong negative feelings associated with it...I think it's from my ex - but honestly I have blocked out his face for a long time..

Josh's face almost looks like faces of chimps when they're angry - showing teeth with the curled up lip....I think he's really irritated that reporters continued to question him & don't just take whatever BS he tosses out there....that's why he can't cry & show sadness -- because he's not in control & it's getting to him.

 

[Lovejac]

I know Joshua said he didn't know what day it was because he didn't go to church that Sunday. However, Susan and her two sons did attend? Now how do you forget what day it is if your family is off at church?

In looking at the timeline, I think the murder (IMHO) happened between Joshua coming home at 8:30 and departing again at 12:30 AM.

Does anyone know if the van has been confiscated? Cadaver dogs in the home, etc? This case is going way too slow for me.

Best,

Mel


Noon, Dec. 6 » Susan Powell, 28, and her two sons attended church services at the Hunter 36th Ward, and then walked home with friend Kiirsi Hellewell.

Afternoon, Dec. 6 » Neighbor JoVonna Owings dropped by the Powell's home on Sunday afternoon to visit with Susan Powell. The family had pancakes for dinner. Susan, who was feeling ill, lied down for a nap about 5 p.m. Owings left, as did Joshua Powell, who said he was taking his two sons sledding.

8:30 p.m., Dec. 6 » A neighbor saw Joshua Powell as he returned home and pulled into his garage.

12 a.m. to 12:30 a.m, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell says he left home with his two sons to go camping at Simpson Springs in the West Desert, while Susan remained home.

9 a.m. to 10 a.m., Dec. 7 » The Powell's daycare provider became alarmed when the couple failed to drop off their sons on schedule and she could not reach either parent by cell phone or at their home. She contacted Joshua Powell's mother and sister, who called police after they could not locate the pair. Police break into the Powell's home but find no one there.

Evening, Dec. 7 » Joshua Powell and his two young sons returned home between 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. He was taken to the West Valley Police station to be questioned.

11 a.m., Dec. 8 » Charles Cox received a telephone call from Joshua Powell, who informed him Susan was missing and that he was about to be interviewed by police again.

Dec. 10 » Law officers searched the Simpson Springs area where Joshua Powell said he camped with his sons but found nothing.

Dec. 14 » Joshua Powell hired defense attorney Scott Williams. He skipped third interview with West Valley City Police.

Bolded by me.

I thank God for that daycare provider. She was so dilligent in trying to find out where the boys were. IMO, she got the ball rolling and that is why the police were at their house before Josh could get back and finish covering his tracks.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Do we know how Susan and Josh meet? I'm wondering, because of the age difference.

I have been wondering that too. Her home town is close to ft. lewis and Mccord air force base. I wonder if he could have been in the military.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Josh and Susan met at a church function in Puyallup WA.

Read this... lots of background stuff:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Josh and Susan met at a church function in Puyallup WA.

Do you know what brought him to WA?

 

[Ransom]

Do we know how Susan and Josh meet? I'm wondering, because of the age difference.

YES ... already posted
Susan and her husband are natives of Pullayup, Wash., and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They met through a church activity at the College Heights YSA Ward in Tacoma, Wash., and were married in April 2001, according to Kiirsi Hellewell, Susan's best friend.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14000824

READ more ^^^^

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Josh & Susan moved to Utah 5 years ago, to be closer to Josh' Mom and sisters.

 

[omegagal]

I think Texas Mist and Passionflower are on to something. Sounds like they have had experiences not unlike Susan or myself....

My theory of what happened is based on what I have read, seen and heard so far on this case as well as personal experiences in the church and with a psychopath. Any licensed clinicians with additional experience with psychopaths, narcissists and abuse please feel free to chime in.

Background: I think around the time Susan had her first baby things she only barely noticed in Josh's personality started becoming more distinct. The control and power issues were now at full force. (Someone on the earlier news report said Susan and Josh seemed to be doing well and were happy when they first moved to the area 5 years ago)
One of the first things an abuser will do is take the woman away from her support system (family in Washington) He has family in Utah. Obviously they did not move there because he had this wonderful, high paying career waiting for him. What he didn't expect is that Susan was strong and well liked and would develop a support system in her new community. It must have driven him wild to see how competent and happy she could find herself, especially without him being the reason for her happiness. After all she was merely an extension of himself as were "his" children.

Over the last couple of months: The power and control issues were getting worse and worse. Susan had made a couple of very smart moves. She had gotten a decent job. Josh had been telling her for some time that if she left, she would never be able to support herself. He probably said "Look at me, I can't even handle a full time job. Do you think a judge is ever going to give you enough support that you could live off it?" The psychopath always underestimates his victim. They may have started out with marital counseling but more than likely the counselor (probably from LDS Family Services) realized after a few interviews, it was an abuse issue not a marital issue. That means that Susan was probably in counseling with a private counselor as well as her bishop. Psychopaths never subcomb to treatment. After all they are smarter and wiser than any professional counselor so Josh would never see a counselor or admit the abuse. Susan was probably put on either anti-depressants, anti-anxiety or sleeping pills or some combination of these. This would give Josh the opportunity to start telling people that Susan "wasn't right" or that she was "unstable". He would love to believe that but no one else was really buying into it. So things started getting worse and worse for Josh. She had to be stopped.

Currently: I think that Susan and Josh had an enormous fight or "power struggle" Saturday night or Sunday morning before church. Josh said he wasn't going to church, Susan went. Her friend Kriisi (sp?) said she didn't see Susan at church but saw her when walking home. I bet Susan was in the bishop's office telling him what had just happened. You DO see your best friends during church at least some time during the 3 hours you attend. Josh knowing his time was about out, made a plan. While Susan was at church, he took Susan's entire bottle of sleeping pills and crushed them, planning to put them in her food at dinner, then leaving with the boys for sledding to come home to find that Susan had killed herself with an overdose of sleeping pills. His plan backfired because as usual Susan messed with the plan. Instead Susan invited someone to come over after church for an early dinner. This drove Josh nuts as he had already crushed all the pills. What if Susan saw all of her pills missing???? So Josh went along with the plan. Very interesting how he didn't serve a casserole but make individual "pancakes" and scrambled eggs. I'll bet you anything that you can not taste medication in eggs or perhaps juice. Then he has to keep checking on her during dinner. This is the point where he starts getting schizoid because of the change of plans. He tells her friend that he's taking the boys sledding to show he's going to be out of the house with the boys for a while hoping that will cover his butte and get her to leave. Susan starts feeling poorly and needs to lie down. The friend leaves and he takes the boys out for a while to let his poor wife die in bed, figuring when he gets home he can put the bottle next to her bed. Only instead, when he left Susan got up out of bed, making it to the living room collapses on the floor where she proceeds to foam at the mouth or vomit. When he comes home he finds her like this. I think he's not the "good dad" as people make him out to be. Psychopaths are too lazy to be good parents. They are controlling parents. Josh would have put the kids either back in the car right away (oldest one up front as he can talk) or put them in a room by themselves while he put Susan in the van and started to clean up. He probably got all that together by 12:30. The oldest child must have known that Susan was in the back of the van, though and probably asked his dad some good questions. (that child and DNA are going to be Susan's saving grace) I think since Josh told reporters he was south and then west of SLC that Josh actually went just the opposite way, either north or east. I also think he pulled off on the side of the road and the oldest child saw "woods" or "trees" in the head lights. Not a forest, not a desert, not a heavy snowstorm but "woods/trees". Meanwhile Josh came around to the back of the van and took Susan's body out and either (must still be an active suicide plan) put her in a large body of water near a bridge or even worst put her in a sewer hole. I do think he's smart and just playing dumb. But I don't think he's brilliant and he's certainly no where near as brilliant as he thinks he is.

Also, I agree with the lip thing. It's almost a smirk of contempt for LE and the press. When he says I just want to find her, I hear him saying "and you won't find her". Listen and watch that interview by his car again. Seems like he's just evil and taunting the press.

 

[nosylla]

Well, he showed up at the interview. Police were not happy (I read)

I wonder if they checked his (JP's) body for any marks or scratches (defense wounds) I hope so.

 

[smart blonde]

The problem I see with Josh leaving Susan to die in bed of an overdose/poisoning while he takes the boys 'sledding'... is what is to guarantee that Susan won't call 911 or a neighbor for help? Her cellphone was found at the house. What is to guarantee she doesn't crawl from the house to the front yard for help, even?

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

The problem I see with Josh leaving Susan to die in bed of an overdose/poisoning while he takes the boys 'sledding'... is what is to guarantee that Susan won't call 911 or a neighbor for help? Her cellphone was found at the house. What is to guarantee she doesn't crawl from the house to the front yard for help, even?

If it was an overdose of sleeping pills maybe she just didn't make it to her phone.

I'm really liking omegagal's theory. (well not actually liking, agreeing)
Especially the background and the control parts. Exactly.

 

[omegagal]

The problem I see with Josh leaving Susan to die in bed of an overdose/poisoning while he takes the boys 'sledding'... is what is to guarantee that Susan won't call 911 or a neighbor for help? Her cellphone was found at the house. What is to guarantee she doesn't crawl from the house to the front yard for help, even?

smart blonde - I believe he was in a schizoid phase at this point because of the sudden change of plans (a dinner guest). In other words, he wasn't thinking properly (like you and I would). He saw she was passed out, had researched how much it would take to kill her and never imagined that she would EVER get up again.

 

[lemonmoussetart]

I think Susan was the "generator" in the back of the van. He had to tell the 4 year old something about the big thing with the blanket over it. We can only hope he wasn't too sleepy that when Dad opened the back, let cold air in, and it woke him up--only to find that Mom was there all along. And watched her being carried away.....

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Dang omegagal that post makes so much sense.