UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #3

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  • #641
They say that verbal abuse is only a second away from physical abuse!

fran

I'm even thinking of him throwing things at her,
threats of wrecking car with her & kids in it,
punching doors, walls, pushing her, drugging her,
holding her roughly leaving little bruises no one saw in special areas.
The abuse goes from emotional, finacial, verbal and so forth.
Then the last was the violent murder, but I bet he was up the ladder on abuse!
 
  • #642
Some men can contain the abuse to "legal" forms for years. It seems like this is how Josh and Susan existed for quite a while.... sometimes it never gets "physical" though the mental torture is in fact much worst. Where ever Susan is, I pray she is no longer in any mental or physical pain... God be with her and her family...
 
  • #643
Thank you for the reminder, Patty G.!

I will certainly do this.

Video says 8:30-9pm. The West Valley vigil in Utah is MT (Mountain Time), we're Pacific Time in WA eg where they're holding another vigil... Not sure that really matters prayers work all the time, I just thought I'd mention.

:parrot:
 
  • #644
"Happy" holidays?

Josh Powell's attorney, Scott Williams, said in a text message to The Associated Press that his client went to his father's house in Washington state for the holidays with his sons.

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash...86/126135290210370.xml&storylist=orwashington

Since his parents are divorced and this is dad and step mom, wonder how close they are to him emtionally?
Wonder what step mom thinks of a murderer in her home?
Did sister kick him out of her home?
Was there no where else to go?
When and if he is arrested, then they would be harboring a fugitive if they don't let him leave, right? or help him?
They must have money to help him travel???
 
  • #645
Quote:
Originally Posted by fran
Things are mounting up.............anyone else?


fran


1. Husband not the one who reported victim missing.

2. Husband had 'odd' alibi, ie going camping in sub-zero temperartures, late at night, leaving sick wife home alone in bed, and taking two toddlers, pre five yo's into the freezing winter night.

3. Change of story details, here and there or becoming evasive.

4. Avoiding media contact. The few times media managed to get a statement. He cut them off when they asked detailed questions about camping location. His excuse was "I have to get my boys." IMHO, he's using the boys as a shield.

5. Avoiding media questions, ie "Is that where you went camping?" to which he replies, "I have to pick up my boys."

6. Avoids wife-victim's family.

7. Stops talking to LE

8. Concerned with 'his house.'

9. Speaks of victim in 'past-tense.'

10. Speaks of 'buying new clothes and comforter.'

11. Unexplained 'wet spot' in carpeting and 'fans being used to dry.'

12. Gradual release of 'friends and family' speaking of marital problems.

13. Alleged from 'friends' of husband having control issues, which included control of wife ie victim.

14. Alleged from 'friends' of 'verbal abuse' by husband of victim.

15. Alleged statement by one of the children (ok, possibly rumor) "Daddy said mommy stayed in the woods for awhile."

16. Spoke to neighbor about 'hope his bird isn't dead' but didn't talk about his missing wife.

17. Testing generator late at night on camping trip

18. Sledding in the dark? Locals, is there a place in that area to go sledding in the dark? He told friend he was taking boys sledding, that was at 5:00p.m. and he was seen returning home at 8:30p.m.)

19. Near frost bitten hands.

20. Just the sheer distance of the alleged camp site (3 or 4 hours drive)

21. NOT one sign of husband camping where he said he was.

22. Just plain talking about 'himself,' rather than his missing wife!!!!!!!!

23. No sign of forced entry of home.

24. Friends and neighbors said it was unusual for Josh to suddenly go camping late at night with the children in the freezing weather.

25. Periodic money problems including a past bankruptcy.

26. Joshy tells his FIL the last time he saw Susan was at 12:30, but didn't bother to tell him what a great time was had by all at the wee-hours-of-the-nite-camping-in-subzero-temps-and-snowstorm-in-the-desert outing.
(from Texas Mist)

27. Left sick wife alone, never to check on her and she had NO CAR to go to doctor! (from member passionflower)

28. Wife had gone to bed sick with an ear-ache which meant she most likely had a cold. Yet, husband made her walk home from church in freezing weather, (they only had one car)

29. Susan's friend had spoken to her on Sunday and friend said Susan wasn't sick.

30. Husband said wife sick but she went to bed at 12:30 a.m.

31. Husband said he forgot it was Sunday but he also said he saw last saw Susan at 12:30 a.m. when she went to bed and he was leaving for camping with the kids. She would have reminded him it was Monday and not Sat,nite/Sunday a.m.

32. Susan told co-workers she was physically fearful of her husband.

33. Co-workers say Susan took precautions in case 'anything' happened to her.

34. Josh's BIL stated when asked if he believes Josh had anything to do with Susan's disappearance, "I pray Josh isn't responisble."

35. Susan't friends knowledge of Powell marriage............SEVERAL advised Susan to leave her husband.

36. Susan's family paid for her to have a cell phone in case she was in trouble.

37. Josh refused a lie detector test. (I know this can't be used in court, but in the court of public opinion, it points to him hiding something.

38. Disappeared for 24 hours with rental car, AFTER Susan went missing.

39. Local reporter said that at alleged camping location, you need to travel approximately 20 miles on unpaved road. It was storming. {suspicious}

40. When talking about spur of the moment camping trip with boys, Josh said they '.....liked to have smores in the morning.' :waitasec:


*Blue are added as the case developes and Websleuthers mention them





REASONS NOT TO LOOK TOWARDS HUSBAND

1. Josh said he didn't harm Susan.

2. Susan's dad said to stop looking at husband, he didn't harm his daughter.
 
  • #646
Thank you for the reminder, Patty G.!

I will certainly do this.
On the FB Friends and Family Group, they've posted a site where you can light a candle for her tonight... It's a third way down on the main page on the FB site.
 
  • #647
I don't think foreign countries care about the DP with regard to extradition when it concerns an American national. They'd just rather have such people the heck out of their country.

After checking wikipedia and several articles, I'm finding that Canada most often refuses to extradite unless the death penalty is off the table. There have been exceptions, but mostly those were for people who murdered law enforcement.

From [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Canada"]Wikipedia's Capital Punishment in Canada page[/ame]:

The Supreme Court of Canada, in the case United States v. Burns, (2001), has determined that Canada should not extradite condemned persons, unless they have assurances that the foreign state will not apply the death penalty, essentially overruling Kindler v. Canada (Minister of Justice), (1991). This is similar to the extradition policies of other nations such as Germany, France, Italy, the United Kingdom, Israel, Mexico, and Australia, which also refuse to extradite prisoners who may be condemned to death.

So if Joshy just happens to take a nice stroll into Canada when the arrest warrant is issued, the death penalty could be taken completely off the table simply to make certain Canada returns Powell to Utah.
 
  • #648
Video says 8:30-9pm. The West Valley vigil in Utah is MT (Mountain Time), we're Pacific Time in WA eg where they're holding another vigil... Not sure that really matters prayers work all the time, I just thought I'd mention.

:parrot:

Since the vigil states "World-Wide" it's got to be 8:30 PM somewhere in the world. Soon it will be 8:30 PM for me. :) That is when I will light my candle and say my prayer for Susan and her family.
 
  • #649
Those poor little babies!
My heart breaks thinking of what they have gone through in 2 weeks.
No mommy, no house, no favorite anything.
Arguments, crying, emotions............
On trips in the cold, crazy father, tossed around from
family member to family member.......
now to grandparents
(do they even know them that well?)

omg!!! those poor boys....

I feel the Polar-BiPolar Defense coming on... haven't we all heard, it was the hypothermia inducing hallucinations and psychosis... :rolleyes:


:parrot:
 
  • #650
Fran,
Add?? he has left Utah on Fri or Sat, Sun where abouts at moment unknown???
Press thinks Father's house?
 
  • #651
It's 8:30 here, lite a candle and thinking of all abused women and children!
R.I.P. Susan, we all know you are in a better place.
Bless your sons and keep them safe.........
Hope you get justice soon.
 
  • #652
Originally Posted by fran
Things are mounting up.............anyone else?


fran


1. Husband not the one who reported victim missing.

2. Husband had 'odd' alibi, ie going camping in sub-zero temperartures, late at night, leaving sick wife home alone in bed, and taking two toddlers, pre five yo's into the freezing winter night.

3. Change of story details, here and there or becoming evasive.

4. Avoiding media contact. The few times media managed to get a statement. He cut them off when they asked detailed questions about camping location. His excuse was "I have to get my boys." IMHO, he's using the boys as a shield.

5. Avoiding media questions, ie "Is that where you went camping?" to which he replies, "I have to pick up my boys."

6. Avoids wife-victim's family.

7. Stops talking to LE

8. Concerned with 'his house.'

9. Speaks of victim in 'past-tense.'

10. Speaks of 'buying new clothes and comforter.'

11. Unexplained 'wet spot' in carpeting and 'fans being used to dry.'

12. Gradual release of 'friends and family' speaking of marital problems.

13. Alleged from 'friends' of husband having control issues, which included control of wife ie victim.

14. Alleged from 'friends' of 'verbal abuse' by husband of victim.

15. Alleged statement by one of the children (ok, possibly rumor) "Daddy said mommy stayed in the woods for awhile."

16. Spoke to neighbor about 'hope his bird isn't dead' but didn't talk about his missing wife.

17. Testing generator late at night on camping trip

18. Sledding in the dark? (Locals, is there a place in that area to go sledding in the dark? He told friend he was taking boys sledding, that was at 5:00p.m. and he was seen returning home at 8:30p.m.)

19. Near frost bitten hands.

20. Just the sheer distance of the alleged camp site (3 or 4 hours drive)

21. NOT one sign of husband camping where he said he was.

22. Just plain talking about 'himself,' rather than his missing wife!!!!!!!!

23. No sign of forced entry of home.

24. Friends and neighbors said it was unusual for Josh to suddenly go camping late at night with the children in the freezing weather.

25. Periodic money problems including a past bankruptcy.

26. Joshy tells his FIL the last time he saw Susan was at 12:30, but didn't bother to tell him what a great time was had by all at the wee-hours-of-the-nite-camping-in-subzero-temps-and-snowstorm-in-the-desert outing.
(from Texas Mist)

27. Left sick wife alone, never to check on her and she had NO CAR to go to doctor! (from member passionflower)

28. Wife had gone to bed sick with an ear-ache which meant she most likely had a cold. Yet, husband made her walk home from church in freezing weather, (they only had one car)

29. Susan's friend had spoken to her on Sunday and friend said Susan wasn't sick.

30. Husband said wife sick but she went to bed at 12:30 a.m.

31. Husband said he forgot it was Sunday but he also said he saw last saw Susan at 12:30 a.m. when she went to bed and he was leaving for camping with the kids. She would have reminded him it was Monday and not Sat,nite/Sunday a.m.

32. Susan told co-workers she was physically fearful of her husband.

33. Co-workers say Susan took precautions in case 'anything' happened to her.

34. Josh's BIL stated when asked if he believes Josh had anything to do with Susan's disappearance, "I pray Josh isn't responisble."

35. Susan't friends knowledge of Powell marriage............SEVERAL advised Susan to leave her husband.

36. Susan's family paid for her to have a cell phone in case she was in trouble.

37. Josh refused a lie detector test. (I know this can't be used in court, but in the court of public opinion, it points to him hiding something.

38. Disappeared for 24 hours with rental car, AFTER Susan went missing.

39. Local reporter said that at alleged camping location, you need to travel approximately 20 miles on unpaved road. It was storming. {suspicious}

40. When talking about spur of the moment camping trip with boys, Josh said they '.....liked to have smores in the morning.' :waitasec:

41. Wife's cellphone, purse and belongings LEFT BEHIND...

42. Josh says "got his days mixed up, thought it was Sunday" :rolleyes: (yet neither attends church nor allows for boys to go...)



*Blue are added as the case developes and Websleuthers mention them




REASONS NOT TO LOOK TOWARDS HUSBAND

1. Josh said he didn't harm Susan.

2. Susan's dad said to stop looking at husband, he didn't harm his daughter.
 
  • #653
Did anyone put a timeline on this last 2 weeks?
Maybe we could put one together. TIA
I'm looking over my notes. But need help........
anyone have the timeline better than I have?

Sunday, December 6, 2009
Susan went to church, walked home with friends.
JP made pancakes and eggs for supper, rarely cooked.
Friend was over to help Susan with crocheting project.
Friend left at 5 pm.
JP took sons sledding in dark at 5:30pm.
Neighbor sw JP come home at 8:30pm
Neighbor heard JP's van's security going off in garage at 11:45pm.

Monday, Dec 7, 2009
JP left for a camping trip at 12:30 am Monday morning with sons.
JP and Susan do not show up for work.
Sons are not at babysitters.
Relatives are called.
Concerned relatives call LE, who break a window for wellness search.
Friend calls JP cell phone at 3pm
Another friend contacts JP by cell phone at 4pm.
JP arrives home at 5pm.

Tuesday, December 8th
JP calls Susan's dad and tells him Susan is missing.
LE takes van.
JP rents a car and leaves for 24 hours.

Wednesday, December 9th
JP comes back home?
Did he take sons for 24 hours?
Where was he?
Police spent two hours removing items from the Powell home.
Police say Josh Powell is not a suspect at this time

Thursday, December 10
Police searched the Simpson Spring Recreation Area and found no sign of Josh Powell's campsite.
Josh Powell speaks briefly with reporters

Friday, December 11
Police stil have no arrests and said Josh Powell is a person of interest

Saturday, December 12:
Susan Powell's father, Charles Cox, traveled to Utah to help search for his daughter.
Josh Powell's family held a press conference and Josh Powell stands silenty with them.
Community members pass out fliers with pictures of Susan Powell.

Sunday, December 13, 2009
1 week Susan is gone.

Monday, December 14:
Josh Powell retains attorney.


Friday/Sat, December 18/19
Josh on the run to Washington?

Sunday, December 20,2009
2 weeks Susan is gone.
World wide prayer vigil at 8:30pm.
JP and sons where abouts unknown
 
  • #654
Adnoid... ITA.. he is not at his Father's house...
 
  • #655
Originally Posted by fran
Things are mounting up.............anyone else?


fran


1. Husband not the one who reported victim missing.

2. Husband had 'odd' alibi, ie going camping in sub-zero temperartures, late at night, leaving sick wife home alone in bed, and taking two toddlers, pre five yo's into the freezing winter night.

3. Change of story details, here and there or becoming evasive.

4. Avoiding media contact. The few times media managed to get a statement. He cut them off when they asked detailed questions about camping location. His excuse was "I have to get my boys." IMHO, he's using the boys as a shield.

5. Avoiding media questions, ie "Is that where you went camping?" to which he replies, "I have to pick up my boys."

6. Avoids wife-victim's family.

7. Stops talking to LE

8. Concerned with 'his house.'

9. Speaks of victim in 'past-tense.'

10. Speaks of 'buying new clothes and comforter.'

11. Unexplained 'wet spot' in carpeting and 'fans being used to dry.'

12. Gradual release of 'friends and family' speaking of marital problems.

13. Alleged from 'friends' of husband having control issues, which included control of wife ie victim.

14. Alleged from 'friends' of 'verbal abuse' by husband of victim.

15. Alleged statement by one of the children (ok, possibly rumor) "Daddy said mommy stayed in the woods for awhile."

16. Spoke to neighbor about 'hope his bird isn't dead' but didn't talk about his missing wife.

17. Testing generator late at night on camping trip

18. Sledding in the dark? (Locals, is there a place in that area to go sledding in the dark? He told friend he was taking boys sledding, that was at 5:00p.m. and he was seen returning home at 8:30p.m.)

19. Near frost bitten hands.

20. Just the sheer distance of the alleged camp site (3 or 4 hours drive)

21. NOT one sign of husband camping where he said he was.

22. Just plain talking about 'himself,' rather than his missing wife!!!!!!!!

23. No sign of forced entry of home.

24. Friends and neighbors said it was unusual for Josh to suddenly go camping late at night with the children in the freezing weather.

25. Periodic money problems including a past bankruptcy.

26. Joshy tells his FIL the last time he saw Susan was at 12:30, but didn't bother to tell him what a great time was had by all at the wee-hours-of-the-nite-camping-in-subzero-temps-and-snowstorm-in-the-desert outing.
(from Texas Mist)

27. Left sick wife alone, never to check on her and she had NO CAR to go to doctor! (from member passionflower)

28. Wife had gone to bed sick with an ear-ache which meant she most likely had a cold. Yet, husband made her walk home from church in freezing weather, (they only had one car)

29. Susan's friend had spoken to her on Sunday and friend said Susan wasn't sick.

30. Husband said wife sick but she went to bed at 12:30 a.m.

31. Husband said he forgot it was Sunday but he also said he saw last saw Susan at 12:30 a.m. when she went to bed and he was leaving for camping with the kids. She would have reminded him it was Monday and not Sat,nite/Sunday a.m.

32. Susan told co-workers she was physically fearful of her husband.

33. Co-workers say Susan took precautions in case 'anything' happened to her.

34. Josh's BIL stated when asked if he believes Josh had anything to do with Susan's disappearance, "I pray Josh isn't responisble."

35. Susan't friends knowledge of Powell marriage............SEVERAL advised Susan to leave her husband.

36. Susan's family paid for her to have a cell phone in case she was in trouble.

37. Josh refused a lie detector test. (I know this can't be used in court, but in the court of public opinion, it points to him hiding something.

38. Disappeared for 24 hours with rental car, AFTER Susan went missing.

39. Local reporter said that at alleged camping location, you need to travel approximately 20 miles on unpaved road. It was storming. {suspicious}

40. When talking about spur of the moment camping trip with boys, Josh said they '.....liked to have smores in the morning.' :waitasec:

41. Wife's cellphone, purse and belongings LEFT BEHIND...

42. Josh says "got his days mixed up, thought it was Sunday" :rolleyes: (yet neither attends church nor allows for boys to go...)


43. Josh skips town on Dec 18/19 (Fri/Sat) attorney says to spend holidays in Washington with father and step mom.

44. Sunday 2 weeks after Susan disappeared, Josh whereabouts unknown.
Has sons with him....


*Blue are added as the case developes and Websleuthers mention them




REASONS NOT TO LOOK TOWARDS HUSBAND

1. Josh said he didn't harm Susan.

2. Susan's dad said to stop looking at husband, he didn't harm his daughter.

helping Fran, please delete if not right
 
  • #656
have just read for the 1st time the posts about this case.......I know they say innocent until proven guilty......but wow........to use an old term.....I'd bet my left leg this lady is not alive and her husband killed her between 8.30 and 11.45 pm...
 
  • #657
fran said:
REASONS NOT TO LOOK TOWARDS HUSBAND

1. Josh said he didn't harm Susan.

2. Susan's dad said to stop looking at husband, he didn't harm his daughter.

Actually according to the most recent article (in Salt Lake Tribune), SP's dad has since had a change of heart and no longer has confidence in his SIL's innocence. So I think we can strike #2--tho presumably it could be replaced w "JP's dad says he didn't harm his daughter-in-law"

:parrot:
 
  • #658
<snip>

West Valley City » Joshua Powell isn't the only Utah husband who won't help police solve a crime.

In 1994, someone shot and killed Kimberly Evans at the mouth of Butterfield Canyon in Herriman. Her husband, Mark B. Evans, submitted to an interview with police shortly after the murder. Detectives grilled him hard. So hard he hasn't spoken to investigators since.

"I would like to talk to him to clear him from being a suspect in his wife's murder," said Salt Lake County Sheriff's Det. Todd Park, who is still investigating the case. "I feel like there are other viable suspects more so than him."

Since Susan Powell went missing Dec. 7, the scrutiny has been on her husband and why he won't answer questions for detectives. While there exists a possibility Joshua Powell is covering up a crime, Kimberly Evans' unsolved murder may be evidence that sometimes even innocent people are afraid of police.

.....

Some attorneys believe "if the police already suspect you, speaking to police might give them more ammunition," said Medwed, who teaches a course on wrongful convictions.

Black last week said Joshua Powell's refusal to answer more questions is not normal. Not only do most crime victims speak with police, Black said, many guilty people talk to police as a way of gauging what police know.

Joshua Powell's behavior is "bizarre to everybody,"



more here

http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_14038413
 
  • #659
Actually according to the most recent article (in Salt Lake Tribune), SP's dad has since had a change of heart and no longer has confidence in his SIL's innocence. So I think we can strike #2--tho presumably it could be replaced w "JP's dad says he didn't harm his daughter-in-law"

:parrot:

very good observation!
 
  • #660
With no job, no money how long can JP go from home to home with in the family?
Can an attorney give you money to stay lost for awhile???
Wonder if he will get rid of the van and buy another vehicle?
Scott P ran and had another car an camping equipment on his way to Mexico......
 
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