UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #4

[v0x]

There are no woods. We obviously live near mountain ranges - but they are not walking distance. She lives in the burbs of Salt Lake City. Houses are pretty close to each other. I know folks have posted links from where they live on Google Earth... you can see (below link) there is not really any place to wander and 'get lost' and the homes are pretty close to each other. 20 steps and you can be in your neighbors driveway. The whole area is pretty heavily populated. So... if you was going to go that route I would hope someone would have found her by now.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

What are all the circular objects in the yards in satellite view? Alot of the houses seem to have them in the area.

 

[lajr56]

What are all the circular objects in the yards in satellite view? Alot of the houses seem to have them in the area.

I am guessing they are trampolines.

 

[omegagal]

While we could have done without Kiirsi's BIO....She does appear to be in denial. If she's attempting to round up folks to search for Susan... her words were downright rude.


BTW..anyone have a maiden name for Kiirsi? I live not far from where she grew up.

Branham

 

[agathawannabe]

What are all the circular objects in the yards in satellite view? Alot of the houses seem to have them in the area.

I'm guessing propane tanks - maybe?

 

[sunflowerchick]

I'm guessing propane tanks - maybe?

They aren't propane tanks... This neighborhood has natural gas. I think, like a previous person posted they are trampolines. Trampolines are actually really common here in Utah...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

They aren't propane tanks... This neighborhood has natural gas. I think, like a previous person posted they are trampolines. Trampolines are actually really common here in Utah...

Most big mormon families in Idaho had them too.

 

[nursebeeme]

There are no woods. We obviously live near mountain ranges - but they are not walking distance. She lives in the burbs of Salt Lake City. Houses are pretty close to each other. I know folks have posted links from where they live on Google Earth... you can see (below link) there is not really any place to wander and 'get lost' and the homes are pretty close to each other. 20 steps and you can be in your neighbors driveway. The whole area is pretty heavily populated. So... if you was going to go that route I would hope someone would have found her by now.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

GREAT POINTS! they are great points.. seriously. And if she were to have wandered off we would have found her already. If she had chosen to leave him and abscond.. we would have found her equally quickly imhoo.

She did NOT leave that house on her own... beit her own planning or otherwise. She DID NOT let her kids go sledding and camping in a blizzard. So what does that leave us? Yes. We all know.

She left the house that night injured and dead or dying at the hands of someone in the house... Anyone call Joshua? I DO!

He had PLENTY OF TIME to get her out and disposed of with no one knowing a thing except that hours had passed. In Utah...with the terrain that is like a FRAGMENT OF A NEEDLE IN A DOZEN HAYSTACKS. Josh knows this.

I am SURE HIS DEFENSE ATTY has told him the same thing.. and Josh knowns he will most likely not be found out. I think the greatest posibility of finding where he dumped Susan lies in where he went in the rental car and comparing the mileage between the rental and the family van.

I PRAY that they will be able to find where he dumped Susan. He dumped her like trash, in my honest opinion.

I don't see her walking out of the clouds alive somewhere... or emerging from some secret hiding place to say here I am! I see another Lacy Peterson... waiting to be found... whether she was sunk or burried or submerged.. well that remains to be seen but what underlies this whole thing is an ABUSIVE HUSBAND that LAST SAW HIS WIFE ALIVE and all of a sudden SHE WAS GONE!

Yes, I am mad! I am sick of this same type of scenario! Please let us fInd Susan soon.. and PLEASE GET HER CHILDREN IN A SAFE SITUATION!

 

[what about this?]

How can anyone claim to love Susan, say there are things we don't know, believe she has been taken out of Utah, and we are stupid (so to speak) for questioning that?

Are we in the Twilight Zone? Because it sure feels like it.

 

[kiki the parrot]

You would think it would have hit the newspapers, discussed on national news or at least on all the boards across the Interent. :crazy:

Refusing to take a polygraph, whether it's admissible or not, is a pretty big deal. Worthy of at least a couple headlines, I would think. Just sayin'.

BBM

I see #37 has now been changed to reflect what we do know. Thanks.

Originally Posted by fran
Things are mounting up.............anyone else?

.......REASONS TO SUSPECT HUSBAND OR QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED, BEFORE HUSBAND CAN BE ELIMINATED AS A POI
fran


1. Husband not the one who reported victim missing.

2. Husband had 'odd' alibi, ie going camping in sub-zero temperartures, late at night, leaving sick wife home alone in bed, and taking two toddlers, pre five yo's into the freezing winter night.

3. Change of story details, here and there or becoming evasive.

4. Avoiding media contact. The few times media managed to get a statement. He cut them off when they asked detailed questions about camping location. His excuse was "I have to get my boys." IMHO, he's using the boys as a shield.

5. Avoiding media questions, ie "Is that where you went camping?" to which he replies, "I have to pick up my boys."

6. Avoids wife-victim's family.

7. Stops talking to LE

8. Concerned with 'his house.'

9. Speaks of victim in 'past-tense.'

10. Speaks of 'buying new clothes and comforter.'

11. Unexplained 'wet spot' in carpeting and 'fans being used to dry.'

12. Gradual release of 'friends and family' speaking of marital problems.

13. Alleged from 'friends' of husband having control issues, which included control of wife ie victim.

14. Alleged from 'friends' of 'verbal abuse' by husband of victim.

15. Alleged statement by one of the children (ok, possibly rumor) "Daddy said mommy stayed in the woods for awhile."

16. Spoke to neighbor about 'hope his bird isn't dead' but didn't talk about his missing wife.

17. Testing generator late at night on camping trip

18. Sledding in the dark? (Locals, is there a place in that area to go sledding in the dark? He told friend he was taking boys sledding, that was at 5:00p.m. and he was seen returning home at 8:30p.m.)

19. Near frost bitten hands.

20. Just the sheer distance of the alleged camp site (3 or 4 hours drive)

21. NOT one sign of husband camping where he said he was.

22. Just plain talking about 'himself,' rather than his missing wife!!!!!!!!

23. No sign of forced entry of home.

24. Friends and neighbors said it was unusual for Josh to suddenly go camping late at night with the children in the freezing weather.

25. Periodic money problems including a past bankruptcy.

26. Joshy tells his FIL the last time he saw Susan was at 12:30, but didn't bother to tell him what a great time was had by all at the wee-hours-of-the-nite-camping-in-subzero-temps-and-snowstorm-in-the-desert outing.
(from Texas Mist)

27. Left sick wife alone, never to check on her and she had NO CAR to go to doctor! (from member passionflower)

28. Wife had gone to bed sick with an ear-ache which meant she most likely had a cold. Yet, husband made her walk home from church in freezing weather, (they only had one car)

29. Susan's friend had spoken to her on Sunday and friend said Susan wasn't sick.

30. Husband said wife sick but she went to bed at 12:30 a.m.

31. Husband said he forgot it was Sunday but he also said he saw last saw Susan at 12:30 a.m. when she went to bed and he was leaving for camping with the kids. She would have reminded him it was Monday and not Sat nite/Sunday a.m. "Got his days mixed up, thought it was Sunday" yet he neither attends church nor prepares for boys to go.

32. Susan told co-workers she was physically fearful of her husband.

33. Co-workers say Susan took precautions in case 'anything happened to her.'

34. Josh's BIL stated when asked if he believes Josh had anything to do with Susan's disappearance, "I pray Josh isn't responisble."

35. Susan's friends knowledge of Powell marriage............SEVERAL advised Susan to leave her husband.

36. Susan's family paid for her to have a cell phone in case she was in trouble.

37. Police requested that Josh take a polygraph and his attorney declined their offer.

38. Disappeared for 24 hours with rental car, AFTER Susan went missing. hundreds of miles were put on the car. There was no gps on the rental car

39. Local reporter said that at alleged camping location, you need to travel approximately 20 miles on unpaved road. It was storming. {suspicious}

40. When talking about spur of the moment camping trip with boys, Josh said they '.....liked to have smores in the morning.'

41. Wife's cellphone, purse and belongings LEFT BEHIND...

42. Josh skips town on Dec 18/19 (Fri/Sat) attorney says to spend holidays in Washington with father and step mom.

43. Sunday 2 weeks after Susan disappeared, Josh whereabouts unknown.
Has sons with him....note: husband has shown up in Washington State and attended a candle light vigil for Susan,.............NO comment to the media

44. First time LE contacted husband as at first the entire family was thought missing, Josh hung up on LE.

45. Statements by friends that Josh resented Susan's dedication to her church. (Also indications that Josh was being encouraged of his distaste for the church by his own father)

46. While at the candle light vigil in Washington, Josh was only 15 feet from Susan's parents, yet he didn't even acknowledge them.

47. Josh completely controlled Susan's spending. He told her how much she had to spend at the grocery store and what she could and couldn't buy as far as groceries or anything else was concerned.

48. LE said Josh is hindering the investigation.

49. It's not JUST that Josh left town while everyone is trying to look for his missing wife. He did NOT tell LE he was leaving or where he would be, in case his wife returned or she was found!

50. Weeks later, JP still unwilling to return to home where he and Susan were raising boys prior to her mysterious "vanishing."

REASONS NOT TO LOOK TOWARDS HUSBAND

1. Josh said he didn't harm Susan.

2. Josh's dad said to stop "villifying" JP, he didn't harm his wife.

3. Josh's lawyer said Josh is not hindering investigation.

Per this news report, LE indicated JP's lawyer (Scott Williams) "declined" their request to administer his client a LDT (at 2.27):

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weMd2XG-dkM[/ame]

#37 is now changed back to reflect what we knew.

arrot:

 

[trillian]

About Kiirsi's blog-

Why does she think FB is great to get word out and give Susan exposure but acts like it would be wrong for her to call the media herself and get airtime? ie "I dont call them they just show up"

Someone needs to remind her that the media is her best bet. She should call every outlet she can think of. Satellite link with all the networks and cable news shows. She could even get an agent and coordinator to help. She could demand an appearance fee to be donated to a helpfindsusan fund to create more flyers or whatever else they may need. She is totally missing a major opportunity she has to help in this search.

And why? Because people are accusing her of fame whoring and profiting? Who cares!!! You do whats best and dont give a sh%# what random internet voices say.

Not proactively seeking out interviews and not taking any fees may make her feel better but it won't help to find her friend.

Exposure + Money = Better odds at finding Susan

 

[nursebeeme]

kiirsi is UNDERSTANDABLY in the worst sort of confusion imaginable.

Kiirsi should first of all compare notes with others known to Susan than report back to us. than I will perhaps listen to what she says. Until than.... she was the odd man out in this drama... which is a shame.. and sad for her.. but where is her friend. and Why is Josh... her husband acting like a loon? a fool? a guilty piece of crap ? Oh Josh.. please explain the wet bit in the carpet, your inability to help your wife... and oh yeah.. among other things your ability to rent a car and drive it more than two hundred miles after your WIFE IS MISSING??????! Could you think of other things to do? Could you plead for her return? Or rather did you know where she was and know that such a pleading was like crying out into an abyss? JOsh... you know... and that is what is so sad and INFURIATING. WHERE IS SHE? WHERE IS YOUR WIFE? WHERE DID YOU PUT HER? (desperate moo)

 

[what about this?]

I just want to say one thing -- given all the facts, crazy behavior, unbelievable looking the other way, being "nice", and whatever -- thank God nothing bad happened over the weekend.

I feel this huge "pall" of unreality (is that what I'm trying to say? - not that smart) of everything that is going on. I pray that the right thing will come through.

 

[nursebeeme]

How can anyone claim to love Susan, say there are things we don't know, believe she has been taken out of Utah, and we are stupid (so to speak) for questioning that?

Are we in the Twilight Zone? Because it sure feels like it.

she is right where someone put her. moo

 

[what about this?]

This unreality and denial feels like a huge blanket.

 

[nursebeeme]

let us think about Josh.. where would he get rid of something? Like his wife? Where would he possibly think he could dispose of something and get away with it?

 

[nursebeeme]

I just want to say one thing -- given all the facts, crazy behavior, unbelievable looking the other way, being "nice", and whatever -- thank God nothing bad happened over the weekend.

I feel this huge "pall" of unreality (is that what I'm trying to say? - not that smart) of everything that is going on. I pray that the right thing will come through.

and why don't we just come out and say what we think! I am seriously sick of tap dancing around the BULL SH#T IN THIS CASE! We know the underlying issues and we know who last saw Susan Powell. Does it make anyone else a little sick that this is a little different? Heck! I cannot even say how different it is without violating the creed of different... dang it.. so I tried... I really tried...

 

[what about this?]

let us think about Josh.. where would he get rid of something? Like his wife? Where would he possibly think he could dispose of something and get away with it?

I believe his father was in on it from the get-go. Now he has his son, grandsons, and no Susan.

And there they are. Everything has been taken care of -- Susan's friends are in denial, and it doesn't seem like anyone at all is looking for Susan. No searches? I mean - people say, "UH, have you seen Utah"? Well, at least try.

The beliefs of everyone around is to believe the best -- that's fine - but SUSAN is the one who is GONE. Your charitable nature and forgiveness are not helping her now.

 

[mysticrose]

Since Josh liked to go camping alot with his boys I would love to know where his favorite spot was ?

 

[what about this?]

I honestly believe that the people around Susan do not want her to be found.

They can live in whatever they want to believe, stolen away by someone to another state, whatever. Then they don't have to face reality.

Good for them. We live in the United States of America, and as bad as it is, are we going to just sit back and let her go like that?

This is not right. No hazy "you don't know what happened" stuff. Something happened.

 

[sunflowerchick]

Local news is reporting the following:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9166805

Let's hope this isn't related, and pray still for Susan to come home safely.

Edited to update: The other news channel is saying that this is a woman, but they are saying it is likely a suicide. It may not be related to this at all.