UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #5

[Bartleby]

I don't want to be too graphic here, so I'm going to try to be a bit subtle - which is not my strong suit! There are certain functions that occur upon death that could explain that wet spot being something other than blood. KWIM?

Of course, it COULD be blood from a death caused by other than strangulation. But strangulation is also a viable theory that we can't rule out. It's also a very common method of murder in scenarios such as what many here have speculated happened in that house the night Susan disappeared.

OK, could be bodily fluids/excretions other than blood, but the wet spot is probably where poor Susan died. I don't think Josh meant for this to happen when/where it did, or he'd have come up with a better story.

 

[Tricia]

This is what I don't understand. Why would being friends or church buddies of a person mean it was alright to help someone do something wrong? They all know his moving is wrong.

IMO

Yes, they know moving is wrong but he would move no matter what. If people abondon him then he will not talk to them. If people he knows start to bad mouth him then he will not open up to them.

It would take every ounce of my strength but if this couple are friends of mine I want to help him move just so I don't lose contact.

 

[Curious Me]

OK, could be bodily fluids/excretions other than blood, but the wet spot is probably where poor Susan died. I don't think Josh meant for this to happen when/where it did, or he'd have come up with a better story.

You tend to think Susan died then in the LR. Hope you don't mind if I ask you, and our great sleuthers, what you picture happening. I'm struggling with the fact that Susan got so suddenly sleepy when Jovanna was over for dinner. I figure she must have gone to bed, and stayed there. Yet, the wet spot points to something happening later in the LR. I would think if Susan was so tired she wouldn't be in any condition to continue any fight they were having. It also bothers me that the boys may have been there when something ugly happened.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Josh's tight-lipped responses show that he's trying not to say anything to incriminate himself.

A normal response from a good father whose wife has gone missing and was not responsible for that situation would be along the lines of "They miss their mother and ask about her constantly", but if this many words came out of Josh's mouth he'd probably run on and say something he regretted.

Agree--a "normal" response would be to PLEAD for your wife's safe return!!

I agree with most of this scenario except the strangling, which doesn't explain the wet patch with fans on it that LE found. My guts instict is that that is where Susan met her death, and either Josh hit her hard enough to crack her skull there and then, or he hit her, she fell, and cracked her head in the fall. I think the wet patch was from mopping up blood (any other theories on what was spilled there?), and that is what the forensic evidence will show when it is released.

LE really fumbled the ball if they let Josh rent a vehicle and drive it over 200 miles completely unobserved. It's hard to believe that Josh wasn't the prime suspect from the first, even if they aren't allowed to call him that.

(bbm) Vomit, if she was poisoned as I strongly suspect.

There's sleuthing that needs to be done here, Friends.

JMO, I don't see blood when I try to imagine what happened to Susan. I don't think Josh would shoot her, or that he cracked her skull. I tend to think he strangled her. Really trying to figure out when another big fight occurred, when he may have drugged her, and why there was a wet spot in the LR and not in the bedroom?

Here are the questions running through my mind:

Did they argue after Jovanna left, or before she came over for dinner? Did Josh decide early that day to give Susan a drug, and to go through with a premeditated plan? Was it not planned, and she wasn't drugged, and her death a result of Josh's rage in the middle of a terrible fight? What is that wet spot? What did the boys hear or see?

Also wonder if Jovanna is helping out in the packing. Where's she been?

IMO JP is too much of a coward to even physically take on Susan. Poison is the method of choice for non-confrontational cowards... JMO

arrot:

 

[nomad]

Hi, just checking for updates.. I think also that Josh needs to keep tabs on Kiirsi/friends to kinda "read" them. She's could find herself in a dangerous situation, as we all know, and I hope she's not ever alone with him. I know I'd be right up there, too, if it were my friend missing, but she gets to watch how he's acting and stuff and it must be awkward as heckola..
I deleted my post w/ JP's real estate webpage after I realized that it no longer contained any of the previous information on it, and found some copyright warning stuff.. If nobody saw it, it was interesting that among a number of items Steve Powell gave a testimonial, lol and one of JP's interests was drama, public speaking, and cabinet making.. that makes me think of box..
Lastly, I read somewhere that brother is involved in politics, just in case it matters.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Yes, they know moving is wrong but he would move no matter what. If people abondon him then he will not talk to them. If people he knows start to bad mouth him then he will not open up to them.

It would take every ounce of my strength but if this couple are friends of mine I want to help him move just so I don't lose contact.

Hi Tricia Frankly I'd be delighted to "lose contact" w JP, for all this "grace" and no confrontation or accountabilty he hasn't opened up to anyone yet--and he's not going to. He's headed straight back to WA where he's opted instead to hole up and hunker down w daddy, meanwhile LE will be watching him--and rightfully so. JMO (bump, snip)

It's always puzzled me to hear the rationale, "well, they will do it w or w/out my help so I might as well assist." I am concerned that when we participate, we're condoning a person's behavior, versus taking a stance and holding that person accountable for their own choices. And his choice to pack up and move with the boys just four weeks after his wife disappears when Susan hasn't even been found is deplorable and reprehensible IMO.

It is thus far Josh's choice to pack up and move the boys away from the community in which they have lived w their mother. When friends and churchmembers then assist Josh w that task, it appears friends and the church are sanctioning his shady behavior and actions.

arrot:

 

[Bartleby]

You tend to think Susan died then in the LR. Hope you don't mind if I ask you, and our great sleuthers, what you picture happening. I'm struggling with the fact that Susan got so suddenly sleepy when Jovanna was over for dinner. I figure she must have gone to bed, and stayed there. Yet, the wet spot points to something happening later in the LR. I would think if Susan was so tired she wouldn't be in any condition to continue any fight they were having. It also bothers me that the boys may have been there when something ugly happened.

I'm not convinced Susan's tiredness was due to being drugged by Josh. He would be very stupid (OK, maybe he is, given his story and recent behaviour) to deliberately start something the day before he was due to start a new job.

My feeling is she felt tired and went to bed, got up later when she was feeling a bit better, Josh was still up or was woken up by her movements, and then some unplanned argument happened which ended in her violent death.

Josh then decided to dispose of the body (instead of turning himself in there and then as he should have), but realising he would have to be away from home for several hours to do this, put Susan's body in the van, then woke the boys and put them in the van too, because he just couldn't leave them unattended, and couldn't ask a friend or neighbour to babysit them.

This shoud probably be in the Theories thread.

 

[Fairy1]

OK, could be bodily fluids/excretions other than blood, but the wet spot is probably where poor Susan died. I don't think Josh meant for this to happen when/where it did, or he'd have come up with a better story.

I agree completely.

I think the boys were alseep and Susan woke up from her nap and left the bedroom. They had an argument - possibly she accused him of slipping her something to make her sleepy - and he attacked her there in the LR. I do tend to think he probably strangled her, just because that's fairly common in cases like this. Once she was gone, he hastily put the rest of his ridiculous plan into motion. Loaded her into the van, woke up the boys and set out on his little "camping" adventure.

This is all JMO. I sure wish Susan would be found. And I hope LE has the foresight to have someone follow Josh to WA.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I think he picked up something and hit her with it and that is what the wet spot was from.

 

[passionflower]

Just on History Channel they said when you kill someone,
the murderer usually throws up..............

livingroom carpet..........Josh puking???

 

[Dr.Fessel]

OKand3Js

I did not support you in your choices so I can not PM you so could you please post the results here or could someone who finds out anything post what you hear in your own words. TIA

 

[OK5]

Hi OKand3Js

FYI it is against our Terms of Service to invite people to PM you. The reason behind this rules is has nothing to do with your type of invitation. We would have people from other forums harassing our members via our PM. That's the short reason anyway

Since this is a different set of circumstances I will let this post stand. It was deleted but I restored it.

OK all carry on please.
Tricia

Hey Tricia,

I am so sorry. I did not know about that rule. You can remove that one particular post if you want. I won't do that again. Thanks!

 

[MD MOMMY]

OKand3Js

I did not support you in your choices so I can not PM you so could you please post the results here or could someone who finds out anything post what you hear in your own words. TIA

I'm lost who is this person?

 

[Fairy1]

Hey Tricia,

I am so sorry. I did not know about that rule. You can remove that one particular post if you want. I won't do that again. Thanks!

Is it possible for you to post your news here?

 

[OK5]

OKand3Js

I did not support you in your choices so I can not PM you so could you please post the results here or could someone who finds out anything post what you hear in your own words. TIA

I do not want my observations to be on the main board for a few different reasons. You never know who is reading...

I will just say that certain individuals were acting as if nothing was wrong the whole time I was there and it was very unsettling. Very telling...IMO.

 

[angeleleven]

OKand3Js

I did not support you in your choices so I can not PM you so could you please post the results here or could someone who finds out anything post what you hear in your own words. TIA

I thought everyone posted whether we agreed or not. I thought this was the whole purpose of the discussions.

 

[OK5]

I am unsure of posting this particular news out in the open on the main board after a few people pointed out that you never know who is reading here. The chances of certain people finding this website and reading here are slim, but it is still risky. Not really sure what to do about it now...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I do not want my observations to be on the main board for a few different reasons. You never know who is reading...

I will just say that certain individuals were acting as if nothing was wrong the whole time I was there and it was very unsettling. Very telling...IMO.

Well then just remember whether it is on the board or in PM's it is all the internet.

 

[angeleleven]

Does that mean that only the ones that agree with her get to know the news? I'm lost on this.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Does that mean that only the ones that agree with her get to know the news? I'm lost on this.

That's how I read it.