UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #5

[crocus]

I wonder who Mooning girl was going into Josh's house?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frVMEC9k1Bo

What is that all about anyway? :waitasec:

Not a football game, hockey game, or any other kind of sporting event where this kind of thing might be seen as humor?

Alrighty then................

 

[nomad]

LOL LOL


Yeah you know you would think she would be happy to have the media there for susan.

Obviously she's not a close neighbor and she feels like her purpose for being there -supporting suffering JP- outweighs that of any reporters that are there looking out for Susan's best interest.

 

[harleysnana]

Ok, where is the hunch here? I'd like to find Susan too. If people want to search, then they should be searching.

I agree.
There are SO many places that Susan could be.
Most of the other searches at least had a starting point and
with Susan... we don't!

 

[AlexisFresca]

Does anyone else think that Josh told his kids that mommy left them; that she doesn't love them anymore?

 

[gwenabob]

Does anyone else think that Josh told his kids that mommy left them; that she doesn't love them anymore?

Gag! That makes me want to vomit! If he hasn't told them that lie yet, he no doubt will. Ugh! Despicable!

 

[Breathe]

Does anyone else think that Josh told his kids that mommy left them; that she doesn't love them anymore?

If he didn't, I suspect that G'pa Steven will. And when/if the time comes, I'm sure he'll tell the boys that Daddy acted in self defense. It's so sad for those two boys. They need to get out of that house soon.

 

[Dwight]

(snip) Make no mistake--it's true what they say, you know. "If you aren't part of the solution..."

arrot:

I really think that you are placing too much importance on a confession by JP. It's got to the point that it's been posted that anyone who helped JP pack up his, his wife's and his two boys' things but didn't confront him on why he won't go to the police station, they are "enablers". He has a constitutional right to not incriminate himself. There are U.S. soldiers dying on a regular basis to protect that fifth amendment right. Yes, the police always want a confession, but they never sit around criticizing family and friends of the suspect if they don't get one. They do sometimes bring a parent of the suspect into the police station to try and convince a suspect to confess. And yes, the Police are always grateful when friends and/or family convinces a POI to come in for questioning. But to vilify the neighbors and friends because they won't confront a very likely murderer, and to claim that it would be easy to do so - no, that's absurd. If they can't get a confession, then the police will simply focus their case on the evidence. If JP is tried and convicted of murder without ever confessing, he wouldn't be the first person in that position - not by a long shot.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Gag! That makes me want to vomit! If he hasn't told them that lie yet, he no doubt will. Ugh! Despicable!

I keep thinking about those poor kids and would love to be a fly on the wall to hear what is being told to them, and also to hear what questions they are asking. To me its beyond unthinkable, and if they didn't hear anything and truly don't know, how Josh can do some serious damage that can affect them the rest of their lives and their relationships with their future wives and girlfriends.

There have been real life cases where, even after the truth has surfaced (that mommy killed daddy or vice versa) it divides the siblings. Some believe daddy actually did kill mommy (or vice versa) and others believe 'daddy was wrongly convicted/took the fall for someone elses crime).

Add Josh's dad to the mix and I see dynamite for those poor kids.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I really think that you are placing too much importance on a confession by JP. It's got to the point that it's been posted that anyone who helped JP pack up his, his wife's and his two boys' things but didn't confront him on why he won't go to the police station, they are "enablers". He has a constitutional right to not incriminate himself. There are U.S. soldiers dying on a regular basis to protect that fifth amendment right. Yes, the police always want a confession, but they never sit around criticizing family and friends of the suspect if they don't get one. They do sometimes bring a parent of the suspect into the police station to try and convince a suspect to confess. And yes, the Police are always grateful when friends and/or family convinces a POI to come in for questioning. But to vilify the neighbors and friends because they won't confront a very likely murderer, and to claim that it would be easy to do so - no, that's absurd. If they can't get a confession, then the police will simply focus their case on the evidence. If JP is tried and convicted of murder without ever confessing, he wouldn't be the first person in that position - not by a long shot.

TY Dwight.

Kiki, this is an example of what I was talking about earlier with judging and the fine line between judging and voicing an opinion. How many times have we heard it said that LE has asked people involved with a case, to keep a tight lip on info LE may have shared with them? And sometimes a citizen's involvement may actually make a case worse for law enforcement than it does helping them.

Look at the crucifiction Tara McDonald got during her pressers. Yet we have no idea of the coaching she got from her local LE regarding what should and shouldn't be revealed to the public during her pressers.

 

[crocus]

Does anyone else think that Josh told his kids that mommy left them; that she doesn't love them anymore?

I HOPE this didn't happen. Gosh...........these poor little boys. I bet they are missing their Mom something fierce. In ways that nobody realizes now.....but will come to surface later in their life.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I HOPE this didn't happen. Gosh...........these poor little boys. I bet they are missing their Mom something fierce. In ways that nobody realizes now.....but will come to surface later in their life.

You have to wonder how many kids truly believed mommy left them, and after they leave home, decide to try to find mom to asky why she left, only to find that:

a) mommy was actually killed/murdered
b) mommy is alive and you were kidnapped by your dad (or vice versa)
c) mommy was kidnapped and brainwashed to forget all about you (or vice versa)
d) some other unthinkable revelation

I can't imagine the years of therapy involved trying to get past something like that.

 

[lemonmoussetart]

Does anyone else think that Josh told his kids that mommy left them; that she doesn't love them anymore?

Not that Josh has stated a couple of times. He's just said that "Mommy is missing."
Have you read that?
So horrible.

 

[lemonmoussetart]

I really think that you are placing too much importance on a confession by JP. It's got to the point that it's been posted that anyone who helped JP pack up his, his wife's and his two boys' things but didn't confront him on why he won't go to the police station, they are "enablers". He has a constitutional right to not incriminate himself. There are U.S. soldiers dying on a regular basis to protect that fifth amendment right. Yes, the police always want a confession, but they never sit around criticizing family and friends of the suspect if they don't get one. They do sometimes bring a parent of the suspect into the police station to try and convince a suspect to confess. And yes, the Police are always grateful when friends and/or family convinces a POI to come in for questioning. But to vilify the neighbors and friends because they won't confront a very likely murderer, and to claim that it would be easy to do so - no, that's absurd. If they can't get a confession, then the police will simply focus their case on the evidence. If JP is tried and convicted of murder without ever confessing, he wouldn't be the first person in that position - not by a long shot.

And JP has a God mandated right or law, to abide by:

thou shalt not kill
thou shalt not bear false witness

This is especially SO if he wishes/accepts help from those who do abide by that listed above.

 

[DomCasual]

Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen the whole 6 minute interview before. If there was ever an interview where the interviewee was trying not to answer with anything useful that was it. I guess it was not long after that that he got advise from his lawyer not to talk at all.

It's just painful to watch, isn't it? Whoever described it as angst-causing the other day hit the nail on the head.

 

[crocus]

I really think that you are placing too much importance on a confession by JP. It's got to the point that it's been posted that anyone who helped JP pack up his, his wife's and his two boys' things but didn't confront him on why he won't go to the police station, they are "enablers". He has a constitutional right to not incriminate himself. There are U.S. soldiers dying on a regular basis to protect that fifth amendment right. Yes, the police always want a confession, but they never sit around criticizing family and friends of the suspect if they don't get one. They do sometimes bring a parent of the suspect into the police station to try and convince a suspect to confess. And yes, the Police are always grateful when friends and/or family convinces a POI to come in for questioning. But to vilify the neighbors and friends because they won't confront a very likely murderer, and to claim that it would be easy to do so - no, that's absurd. If they can't get a confession, then the police will simply focus their case on the evidence. If JP is tried and convicted of murder without ever confessing, he wouldn't be the first person in that position - not by a long shot.

Been to this rodeo before.........and will visit it again I'm sure.

 

[DomCasual]

Nope. Not a fine line Fresca. First of all we judge actions vs people. We call wrong wrong. Responsibility needs to be accepted before all this talk of forgiveness and healing can even begin.

What JP has most likely done is not "stumble," but murder the mother of his children. It may already be too late for her family to ever bring Susan home to lay her to rest w a proper burial, or for her now motherless boys to ever say goodbye to their mother.

And until JP answers for that--it's not "reaching out" he needs. Under these circumstances, this treacherous, unruly deceiver needs the harshest rebuke possible--and then the full weight of our judicial system brought to bear if he's hoping at this point his life can even be spared.

I suggest we need to take a hard look at our society if we have to be fearful of "judging," too reluctant and timid to even call murder wrong. I have much empathy, compassion and forgiveness for those willing to admit to "stumbling," by owning their mistakes. But for those who believe they can snuff out life and remain instead #ellbent on lying, concealing, covering, deceiving, denying, excusing, blameshifting and bull$#!++ing their way out of consequences... I haven't one OUNCE of pity. This isn't "stumbling," a person doesn't just trip and fall and "oopsie I offed my wife, drove for days to dispose of her body where no one can ever find her, and I'm not gonna disclose a thing..." It's a lifelong pattern of narcissism and deception, and IMO he isn't just lying re what he did he's lying about WHO HE IS.

I haven't heard one IOTA of concern for his wife and the mother of his two boys. I haven't heard one HINT of remorse, or admission of guilt. ADMONISH THE UNRULY, ENCOURAGE THE FAINT, HELP THE WEAK... He is NOT weak or faint of heart, he is a pathological narcissist who preyed on a defenseless woman and mother and hopes to get away w it.

HE GETS NO SYMPATHY HERE.:snooty:

arrot:

Seriously, where are you getting all of that? Because a few people went over and helped him move, they are accepting and forgiving murder?

There is nobody on any messageboard or news site - at least that I've read - that is any way doing anything but condemning him.

 

[crocus]

What about Josh's Mom? Seems she has been silent? I don't recall anything attributed to her in any articles.

Curious.

 

[gwenabob]

What about Josh's Mom? Seems she has been silent? I don't recall anything attributed to her in any articles.

Curious.

I think she was so beaten down by Josh's father that she learned it was best to just keep her mouth shut. I bet she would have plenty to say if she felt completely safe from her ex-husband.

 

[lemonmoussetart]

Was it not you who posted this earlier today?:

Amanda Reckonwith: ( 6 hours ago) Prayers for the safety of the 40 searchers out there today. God willing, may Susan be found.

I see no difference in praying for an outcome, yet having the wisdom, and insight that God has given us to understand reality.

 

[Curious Me]

Seriously, where are you getting all of that? Because a few people went over and helped him move, they are accepting and forgiving murder?

There is nobody on any messageboard or news site - at least that I've read - that is any way doing anything but condemning him.

DomCasual, you are so in favor of helping Josh, but how about Susan? I mentioned my idea earlier. What do you think?

You sound like a good-hearted person. I'm serious when I say this - maybe YOU could organize some kind of search then for Susan, or at least, get church members to start caring for the right person which would be Susan. Josh is playing you, as a church that is, and dares to even ask for help in the name of a religion he does not really practice anymore. Susan did, she walked to church with her boys that last Sunday while Josh did not.