UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #5

[Dr.Fessel]

omg---are these donation jars that josh is taking????

Photo courtesy of amandareckonwith

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/susan powell/?action=view&current=6-1.jpg

lol lol lol

 

[passionflower]

OMG---are these donation jars that Josh is taking????

photo courtesy of Amandareckonwith

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan Powell/?action=view&current=6-1.jpg

looks like screws and nails from the shed to me

 

[AlexisFresca]

Jovonna (I might spell her name wrong) is a neighbor/friend that was at the house doing croceting with Susan and ate dinner with the couple that JOS cooked. Josh rarely ever cooked. Susan got ill or sleepy while Jovanna was there and Susan went to bed. Jovonna claims she left around 5:30pm because Josh wanted to take his boys(age 2 & 4) sledding. (in the dark, on a bitter cold night) IIRC......

Interesting.

As for the boys, why take them out twice? Sledding and then again in the middle of the night for 'camping'? Maybe he never returned after the sledding trip :waitasec:

Or if he dumped her while sledding he went back out later to make sure she was well covered? Maybe he had to be hasty due to people showing up close by or something?

All those hours driving around, coming back late, the rental car. It just sounds worse and worse. :shakehead:

 

[lemonmoussetart]

No. If you look closely, you will see the jars have various sized screws in them. That was one of teh pics taken on moving day.

one of them looked to have dollar bills, upon closer inspection they may be plastic bags. whewww

 

[AlexisFresca]

FWIW, LDS members church files usually follow them wherever they go. IMO, it's something that's done automatically. They keep their records pretty up to date. I know some ex members who's files have followed them to the nearest ward no matter where they move to and the missionaries never fail to show up to welcome them. lol.

I ask you, if his dad was so anti-Mormon, sent him anti-Mormon pamphlets, how would he condone his son 'transferring' the family to a ward in Washington state? If you transfer, do they keep track if you show up for services or other 'ward functions'? Was this action of Josh's just a ruse?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Thank you. I think what bothers me is when people make statements that are so emphatic that people no longer are interested in following due process. If I was to estimate how sure I was of JP's guilt, I would say probably 85% - 90%, somewhere in there. And I think that's rather extreme given that so far we have been shown not a shred of evidence. Only that JP has the opportunity (some would add motive, but that's speculation), and his alibi for the time period in question cannot be verified by anyone or anything except his four-year old.

If I were placed on a jury and not one piece of incriminating evidence were provided, no way would I vote to convict. It's just not right to convict the most likely suspect just because he's not acting in a way we feel he should be acting. But give me something - If one of the boys said that JP told them that "Mommy has to stay out in the woods for awhile", I would convict on that. But right now, no. Again, there are probably dozens of cases that I have watched the analysis of for example on "the First 48", or "MSNBC 48 Hours Mystery" where the guilty person turned out to be someone that NOBODY had looked at as a suspect before.

Here is a is a list of facts I can't get past to declare josh innocent.

Taking the kids camping in a snow storm in the middle of nowhere at 12:30 at night.

Saying he got the days mixed up when his wife had gone to church for 3 hours that morning.

Not hunting for his missing wife.

Not talking about his missing wife.

Refusing to take the police to the spot he camped at.

Not returning from his camping trip till 5 the next evening.

Could I find him guilty in a court of law for those, of course not. But when he does have a trial and jury they will have alot more evidence then that.

In the mean time he is guilty as they come in my book.

IMO

 

[AlexisFresca]

one of them looked to have dollar bills, upon closer inspection they may be plastic bags. whewww

LOL, I hear ya! Sometimes photos are really hard to discern.

 

[SuziQ]

I ask you, if his dad was so anti-Mormon, sent him anti-Mormon pamphlets, how would he condone his son 'transferring' the family to a ward in Washington state? If you transfer, do they keep track if you show up for services or other 'ward functions'? Was this action of Josh's just a ruse?

The transfer is done by the church whether you want it to happen or not. I haven't heard that Josh is going to attend meetings at the local ward or that his dad would approve of that.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

FWIW, LDS members church files usually follow them wherever they go. IMO, it's something that's done automatically. They keep their records pretty up to date. I know some ex members who's files have followed them to the nearest ward no matter where they move to and the missionaries never fail to show up to welcome them. lol.

Been there done that and never figured out how they found me. Maybe GPS on my moving van?

 

[gwenabob]

I ask you, if his dad was so anti-Mormon, sent him anti-Mormon pamphlets, how would he condone his son 'transferring' the family to a ward in Washington state? If you transfer, do they keep track if you show up for services or other 'ward functions'? Was this action of Josh's just a ruse?

It does sound like daddy dear completely controls his son's life. I suspect Joshy is only doing this to garner sympathy and for looks. I predict he will no longer be attending church within a couple months, especially if daddy has his way.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

The transfer is done by the church whether you want it to happen or not. I haven't heard that Josh is going to attend meetings at the local ward or that his dad would approve of that.

Well if he wants help unloading that van he better attend a couple of sundays.

 

[SuziQ]

Been there done that and never figured out how they found me. Maybe GPS on my moving van?

Lol, makes you wonder. I know the Bishops keep track of who moves into and who moves out of their wards. The church is a stickler for it.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Here is a is a list of facts I can't get past to declare josh innocent.

Taking the kids camping in a snow storm in the middle of nowhere at 12:30 at night.

Saying he got the days mixed up when his wife had gone to church for 3 hours that morning.

Not hunting for his missing wife.

Not talking about his missing wife.

Refusing to take the police to the spot he camped at.

Not returning from his camping trip till 5 the next evening.

Could I find him guilty in a court of law for those, of course not. But when he does have a trial and jury they will have alot more evidence then that.

In the mean time he is guilty as they come in my book.

IMO

Which makes one wonder if he even 'went' camping. Didn't he tell the one reporter he went to 'Pony Trail' or something like that? And another thing I read he said he went to Simpson Springs area in Toole County. Are these close to each other? Are they two different places?

 

[SuziQ]

Well if he wants help unloading that van he better attend a couple of sundays.

Good point. It will be interesting to watch to see how the new ward handles this if he does attend. I wouldn't want him in my ward either! Maybe daddy will kick him out?

 

[AlexisFresca]

The transfer is done by the church whether you want it to happen or not. I haven't heard that Josh is going to attend meetings at the local ward or that his dad would approve of that.

Whoa!! So the church does it, whether you want them to or not? So if they hadn't learned where he was moving to, what then? I mean, they wouldn't be able to transfer any records without a residential address :waitasec:

Course, I'm still speechless by the 'assignment' of a ward you 'must' attend for services and not being able to attend any other one. For being one big church, it sure seems divided.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Been there done that and never figured out how they found me. Maybe GPS on my moving van?

OMG!! They found you without you giving your forwarding address to? Do you think they found out via the post office? ie sending you mail that was returned to them with your new address? Thats sort of creepy, no offense. Honest. I have just never heard of such a thing.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Agreed. I know we have to be careful of what we say here and was trying to be careful and go on what seemed to be confirmed information. One thing I heard is he said she wasn't feeling well. Then on the one interview newsclip, he denied she was sick and said she was feeling fine.

Some things I wonder:

This 'friend' of his who doesn't want to have his image captured via video or photo; could he have disposed of her body while Josh and the kids went sledding?

Could he have temporarily 'kept watch' of an unconscious or dead Susan at home while Josh was gone with the kids?

I had read one of the items the police took was a bedspread. So if she was just lying on the bedspread, she had to have been there for awhile before he disposed of the body?

Could the friend be involved? Anyone think he did this alone or with the help of an accomplice?

If she died before the sledding trip, where were the kids while she died?

(bbm) Fresca we've explored alot of this thruout these five threads but to recap... 3-hour "sledding" trip was taken earlier that eve (approx. 8:30p-11:30p IIRC). It is my personal belief Susan may have died during this timeframe due to ingesting something JP gave her (he prepared dinner but unless very slowacting, he'd more likely have done this after Jovanna left). Others believe it was not until Josh and the boys returned that there may have been some sort of heated argument. (One of the reasons I don't believe this is either of the boys could've easily awoken and become witnesses to any type of angry altercation which is more risky than killing her silently, effortlessly, w/out any of them--including JP--having to be present or engage in confrontation.) It's also my belief there may very well have been an accessory after the fact. I can speculate there might even have been some talk beforehand but I think that's much harder to prove than would physical movements of anyone who may have assisted w cover-up and disposal. (That's MOO, probably still a very small club at the moment.)

arrot:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Here is something I have been kicking around since the start of this case. Alot of times when one spouse goes into home sales the other spouse will go into banking and the loan department. It gives the Realtor an edge over the competition. I wonder if that was the plan at first and Susan could not get the job needed and maybe that caused some real contention and Josh blamed Susan for his poor sales.

 

[gwenabob]

Sort of. They keep excellent records and want your new area to know you are there so they can welcome you and make you a part of their ward.

When my inactive sister moved and did not leave notice of her new address, the church headquarters in SLC called me to find out if I knew where she moved. I gave them her new address.

 

[SuziQ]

Whoa!! So the church does it, whether you want them to or not? So if they hadn't learned where he was moving to, what then? I mean, they wouldn't be able to transfer any records without a residential address :waitasec:

Course, I'm still speechless by the 'assignment' of a ward you 'must' attend for services and not being able to attend any other one. For being one big church, it sure seems divided.

Oh you bet they have Josh's dad's address, especially if Josh's dad was a member at one time. I don't look at it as being divided, but being highly organized. It's one of their claims to fame. Geneology records is one example. There are usually so many wards its more convenient to go to the one in your area, which is what you are usually assigned. They aren't huge buildings and there is a need to keep one ward from being more overcrowded than another one. I'm sure it's less of a burden for that Bishop too who is responsible for attending to his members needs.

ETA: also engaged couples can bounce around back and forth to each others wards, though a bishop would prefer you chose one.