arrot:
ITA w bold fairy, regardless of SP was in on a plan or whether there was any plan at all this would have been his first move IMO. If JP didn't think to do so himself tho I believe the first instructions from SP would've been to get off the traceable cells... and any further (or incriminating) discussion likely took place on disposable phones IMO.
No doubt a large duffel, and equipment, could have easily been loaded into their van under the pretense of telling the boys they were going "camping." No question in my mind either that the generator served a purpose.
A generator could have supplied the power for an ice auger which could have been used to bore a hole through the ice and a weighted body put beneath the layer of ice... just thinking about it gives me shivers and icy chills. From what research I've now done on ice fishing etc it seems auger would be a superefficient, relatively inexpensive way to accomplish this. They can be rented or perhaps he owned one as they're available sometimes from landscape supplies. Maybe an earth auger/post hole auger would serve? Any auger can be connected to source of power such as a generator, and frankly I was shocked at how portable, affordable ($300+) and efficient these are and as I said, he may have had something already in his shed.
Drilling thru thick ice (thicker than 12") requires heavy energy load thus the need for generator. In demos below, the man cuts thru this extremely thick ice in under five minutes. Yes, ice fishing requires only a small (8-10") hole, smaller than would be required, eg to permit a (weighted) body to be lowered down into the water. But I also learned that, depending upon amperage draw off generator, you can drill 40 (8" or 10") holes eg w three gallons of gas
Check out these and other beginner ice fishing mini-videos... notice in demo at no time in any demo does the guy wear gloves--so as to not lose his grip regardless of what tool he is using. And when he explains how these holes must be "skimmed" (to remove snow or ice which falls into and fills the hole you create) I wondered if maybe Joshy didn't have a skimmer--so his hands became frostbitten attempting to do this task by hand?
I've now learned everything I ever wanted to know about cutting thru ice. It's giving me the willies to be honest. He could easily have disposed of (returned?) an auger before returning home once called and alerted by LE. Did SP perhaps bring one to their meeting spot? (While I firmly believe landscaping familiarity w earth auger/posthole digger is all that would have been necessary, I am nevertheless curious whether perhaps anyone in the family ever had ice fished eg.) I find it interesting that generator itself was never disposed of--too cheap? Too cocky? Does this surprise us? Had to explain noise boys overheard? Unlike power augers, these generators can be spendy! Maybe he thought w/out auger, no one would be the wiser re generator--and thought his "testing" excuse would enable him to keep it. I mean a wife is one thing, but sure hate to throw away a nice generator
Just tossing some ideas out here. Is anyone else getting a really bad feeling about this? JMO
http://www.ehow.com/video_4954991_cutting-ice-fishing-hole-power.html?pid=1&cp=1
http://www.ehow.com/video_4954989_cutting-ice-fishing-hole-hand.htmlhttp://www.strikemaster.com/power.html
arrot:
IOW there's never been a question of WHETHER JP used a generator!! We know obviously Joshy DID use a generator... or wouldn't have made such a point of mentioning IMO.
As I've stated, JP could obviously have loaded the van (rear cargo area isn't even visible to front row of seating where boys would have ridden) before caryying the (likely sleeping) boys. And if you watch the ice auger demo it took him 3 mins. to bore a 10" hole in the ice! You can do this 40 TIMES w 3 gallons of fuel eg. I have no idea whether he would have had an electric powered auger, used a gas generator or what... but none of this is any problem either IMO. I want local LANDSCAPING supplies checked to see whether Josh ever purchased such an item--or borrowed one from TimP eg. TimP will also be an EXCELLENT source of info re this as it's almost CERTAIN they required the use of an earth auger (bits for which can be easily switched) for the playset posthole digging. JMOarrot:
From what TimP reports, I am convinced JP's hands were frostbitten--and IMO it was from prolonged exposure entailed in scenario described above.
I believe he was outdoors, either w/out wearing gloves or w WET gloves, for an extended length of time.
After further researching, I now know there are "Earth/Ice augers" which "convert into a powerful ice auger for year-round use - drills through snow and ice quickly!"
Omg
Perhaps the sort used in installing playset (which TimP kindly constructed) for the children eg? :waitasec:
I shudder to think but the more I learn, I believe it highly likely JP had a tool to "get the job done."JMO
You know I might tend to agree if this were completely foreign to him--ie if not for the fact JP reportedly has worked in or had familiarity w landscape but more importantly a playset was recently installed in their yard. IOW JP would have needed same equipment for that purpose. And while Josh may strike some as "mouthbreather" (their word not mine), IMO that doesn't mean he had never used an auger before. rayer:arrot:
arrot:I have a thought that has been bugging the Dickens outta me; Were the kids on the trips? What about these prior night trips that have been reported? Driving around at 10 degrees with them makes no sense to me. If they were at someone's house, it would give him time to do whatever with augers or etc. What do you think?:waitasec:Yes there are lots of options here--including lightweight (15#) very portable augers, my point is first that I believe the generator was not a random coincidence and second, that there are garden variety tools and equipment which could easily--w a minimum of effort, familiarity, and no ice-fishing experience-- have served the purpose of putting her in a lake, even in winter. JMO
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