UT - Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 #7

[omegagal]

You will note that was written in 1857.

Yes and it was written by an Apostle.... the church doesn't exactly change what an Apostle says.... it would be bad business.... that's why these quotes are saved....

And the temple ceremony is still practiced every half hour at your local neighborhood temple... with the advent of the internet, it seems the temple ceremony is easy enough to find.

 

[hollyblue]

So, with all due respect...

Let's say they did know at least some of those things. Let's say they did know the reason she was growing vegetables. They did know the reason she rode a bike to work. Let's say that they not only knew how controlling he was, but they even witnessed some of his behavior first-hand - maybe not anything physical, but the verbal abuse.

I'm not asking this rhetorically. I'm curious about what you, in that situation, would do. For people in that situation who have witnessed something like this with a friend, what would you suggest they do to help matters?

"If you don't take care of yourself, you can't/won't be able to take care of your children." I've told this to a friend--to help her see the light. My mother always told me "If you don't love yourself first, (respect) you can never truly love someone else."

 

[grayjay]

"If you don't take care of yourself, you can't/won't be able to take care of your children." I've told this to a friend--to help her see the light. My mother always told me "If you don't love yourself first, (respect) you can never truly love someone else."

EXCELLENT! And the converse has been said to me, to help me evaluate if the person belongs in my life or not, "If they can't love themselves and show self respect they can't love you."

 

[Myst]

I've been following along with this case, and wonder how far was their home from the Temple? I've read that Josh didn't always attend with Susan and the boys, and that he didn't let her use the van often if at all. So she and those little boys walked each time?

 

[gwenabob]

I've been following along with this case, and wonder how far was their home from the Temple? I've read that Josh didn't always attend with Susan and the boys, and that he didn't let her use the van often if at all. So she and those little boys walked each time?

Susan and the boys would not be walking to the Temple on Sunday. Sunday services are held at a local chapel. It was a few blocks to church. But even a few blocks is too far with little ones in the snow. Josh had no business denying her use of the car. I have to wonder what lame excuse he gave her for needing it himself? And if he really did "need" it, why didn't he just give them a ride?

 

[grayjay]

I've been following along with this case, and wonder how far was their home from the Temple? I've read that Josh didn't always attend with Susan and the boys, and that he didn't let her use the van often if at all. So she and those little boys walked each time?

Strange. This comment made me think of how they were already a bit estranged. It made me wonder if Susan was sleeping on the couch. :silenced:

 

[Myst]

Susan and the boys would not be walking to the Temple on Sunday. Sunday services are held at a local chapel. It was a few blocks to church. But even a few blocks is too far with little ones in the snow. Josh had no business denying her use of the car. I have to wonder what lame excuse he gave her for needing it himself? And if he really did "need" it, why didn't he just give them a ride?

Gwenabob, thanks for explaining!

And yep, I think even a few blocks is too far to walk with little ones, especially in the snow. I'm amazed that Susan was able to put up with what she was able to for so long. And that's just the stuff we're reading about, Lord only knows what else went on in that home.

 

[hollyblue]

Strange. This comment made me think of how they were already a bit estranged. It made me wonder if Susan was sleeping on the couch. :silenced:

Tim P stated they were living more or less as roommates....soooo....

 

[PickieChickie]

Strange. This comment made me think of how they were already a bit estranged. It made me wonder if Susan was sleeping on the couch. :silenced:

If Susan was sleeping on the couch, the BIG WET SPOT on the living room carpet with the two box fans aimed at it discovered by law enforcement on December 7, 2009 when they broke into the Powell home makes more sense!

Perhaps Josh went into the living room to try to "get some" from his wife who was sleeping on the couch, hoping Susan was in the mood after he'd made her pancakes and eggs, covered her with a blanket when she mentioned she was chilled and "got the boys out of her hair" so she could take a nap by taking them sledding.

I believe Josh killed Susan while in a rage due to feeling rejected. IMO

 

[dovebar]

I think she could have been poisoned and vomited onto the carpet that night.

The more I think about the similarities between Mark Hacking and JP, the more it seems likely that he simply drove somewhere and put her in a landfill or dumpster. Anyone who followed the Hacking case, as JP's father probably did, would see that Hacking almost got away with it.

He could have driven a body to a dumpster in Ogden or Provo, or even further away, anywhere he saw from cans at the curb that Monday was trash day, and it would have gone out the next morning. He would have had a time advantage that Hacking didn't have, so it would be difficult to figure out where among all the landfills in Utah, Idaho, and Nevada to search. Trash would have been dumped atop her at the time and ever since.

 

[mysticrose]

Did any of you know that one of Josh's uncles is Commander of Forensics, State Police, Idaho ?

Link to where I found the info, comment section:

http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/sto...t-with/fkTWAxuCK0eg60RkyrnE6g.cspx?p=Comments

Link :

http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html

 

[PickieChickie]

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Did any of you know that one of Josh's uncles is Commander of Forensics, State Police, Idaho ?

Link to where I found the info, comment section:

http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/sto...t-with/fkTWAxuCK0eg60RkyrnE6g.cspx?p=Comments

Link :

http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html

Someone claims Ralph Powell is Steve Powell's younger brother and would be Josh Powell's uncle.
Link to Idaho State Police site with Ralph Powell's photo: http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html​

 

[hollyblue]

Someone claims Ralph Powell is Steve Powell's younger brother and would be Josh Powell's uncle.
Link to Idaho State Police site with Ralph Powell's photo: http://www.isp.idaho.gov/forensic/index.html​

My guess would be 95% yea and 5% na, but this is not confirmation. Wonder if they got the news here and are just speculating as we are. Maybe the media will pick it up and confirm.

I truly believe Mr. Cox is walking a tightrope....we know what kind of people have his grandkids and Susan's boys in their hands. How unfair.

 

[PickieChickie]

Has anyone saved the Powell family fire photo from http://susanpowell.org to their computer?​

A commenter on the article about the http://susanpowell.org site suggested it wouldn't be wise to save any of the photos on the http://susanpowell.org site to our computers.

Has anyone been having trouble with their computer after saving photos from that site?

 

[gwenabob]

Had a family party tonight. My in-laws from Puyallup were there. They are in the same stake as the Coxes, and he knows the Coxes pretty well. He doesn't know how they have held up so well.

I asked him if Josh was still attending church, and he said no, he didn't think he was. I would love to hear from the websleuth who attends the same ward and see if they can verify this.

My relative said everybody at church believes Josh is guilty. Everyone. Probably why he doesn't dare attend. Uncomfortable for everyone.

 

[jmarple]

The disappearance of Susan Powell and her husband's involvement have struck a tender nerve with many of the Puyallup LDS community. Two years ago, another young mother of two boys(about the age of Susan's boys) was shot in the parking lot of an LDS church in Lehi, Utah. Her husband shot her on her 30th birthday in front of her mother. This girl was from the Puyallup area, as is her mother. Her parents now have custody of the boys. They also are friends of the Cox family. Josh is using the same attorney.

 

[dovebar]

The disappearance of Susan Powell and her husband's involvement have struck a tender nerve with many of the Puyallup LDS community. Two years ago, another young mother of two boys(about the age of Susan's boys) was shot in the parking lot of an LDS church in Lehi, Utah. Her husband shot her on her 30th birthday in front of her mother. This girl was from the Puyallup area, as is her mother. Her parents now have custody of the boys. They also are friends of the Cox family. Josh is using the same attorney.

The same attorney as the guy who shot his wife?

How tremendously sad for everyone who knew these young women.

We need to do a much better job of helping young women know what to look for in dating. Control tendencies are visible early on, if only you know what to look for.

 

[jmarple]

The same attorney as the guy who shot his wife?

How tremendously sad for everyone who knew these young women.

We need to do a much better job of helping young women know what to look for in dating. Control tendencies are visible early on, if only you know what to look for.

Yes, the same attorney as the guy who shot his wife. He eventually changed attorneys and plea bargained for a life sentence.

 

[RubyRed]

I am starting to think without her remains, they are not going to be able to prosecute.
I feel if there was something in the wet spot tests would be back by now. So either there is nothing or too little evidence to prosecute.

 

[PickieChickie]

I am starting to think without her remains, they are not going to be able to prosecute.
I feel if there was something in the wet spot tests would be back by now. So either there is nothing or too little evidence to prosecute.

Don't get discouraged. Suspects are rarely indicted when there is no body until a few years have passed.