VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #4

[waldojabba]

I assume the guy she was dating (Tom, who appears in the Curaçao press conference in the documentary) right before she disappeared was a beard then for her relationship with Molly.

I really don’t think we can trust anything the family says about Amy’s personality or sexuality.

What is the issue with saying she was a lesbian? I understand the family are not in favor of LGBT from Iva and Brad’s own Twitter posts and reshares from before the case aired.

Hope he can get Molly on as well or Tom as they’d offer better insights into Amy’s mental state since she spoke to both days before the cruise.

In the UNTOLD interview (WTVR CBS06) the brother debunks that notion that the family had an isssue with Amy's sexuality - He said that Amy came out o the family in 1995 as gay.

I find the brother quite credible. They have no reason to hide the truth.

JMO

 

[sunspun]

I believe the room and balcony were cleaned by staff prior to the investigation. The room was not sealed.

And so when they say the table was found pushed up against the railing, was that before or after the cleaning? It would have to be after then, right? Or not?

If it was after, is that the usual place those balcony tables would normally be placed by the cleaning staff when they cleaned a balcony?

If so, why is this even considered noteworthy?

Now that I put it that way though, it makes me think that the table was found pushed up to the railing BEFORE it was cleaned. But if so, how would that have been known? Did someone in the family take note of this and mention it, and it ended up in the official police report? Or was this fact something noticed by LE or maybe ship staff when they inspected the balcony as part of the investigation? But unless they showed up to inspect the balcony almost immediately, then the room had already been cleaned by the time they saw it. So now again, I'm back to thinking the table was found to be against the railing after it had been cleaned. So again, I'd ask is that where the cleaners normally put the table?

I can't imagine that they would clean the balcony and just leave the table out of place, if that's not where their usual place for it was. I'd think they have a standard protocol every time they clean, and basically leave the area all the same every time they clean it. Or maybe they do, but make exceptions if they think the guest wanted it a certain way. Like if they found the guest had moved the table there, where it usually wasn't, maybe their norm was to leave it there, where the guest had put it, in case that's where the guest wanted it.

I doubt that though. If my cabin were cleaned in my absence, I would expect that when I returned, it'd all be cleaned up and everything would be put back in its proper place.

So where did the cleaning staff usually put the table when they cleaned a balcony? I think we need to know this, because this part about the table being found pushed up to the railing is starting to sound to me like a myth. Or at least, of no relevance whatsoever.

 

[waldojabba]

I hope Tom does an interview too. It will be interesting hearing him talk about the romantic part of their relationship if there was one. Maybe Amy had everyone fooled. Maybe she was confused about what she wanted herself. Imo

Amy sounds like a 23 year old who was grabbing all life had to offer and life was coming at her fast.
She had just graduated college/ new car/ new apartment/new job/ etc etc - she appears to have had a magnetic personality that made people want to be around her.
Lots of her age group at that time and today ( and prob forever) experiment with sexuality until they settle on an identity. She liked to party, she smoked, and I would not be surprised if she was into recreational drugs. Nothing too unusual.
The tatoo's are interesting to me - the people the family says had encounters with her through out the years, describe them.
Also interesting to me is the diver from Canada who in August 1998, in Curacao that said he saw Amy on a remote beach - two men walked her in the opposite direction from him but stared him down first. He identified Yellow as being one of those guys.

Lots of bad stuff happens on these islands - even on our own little US territory Puerto Rico.

As part of my job at that time, in the late 1990's, I was traveling to PR about once a month and occassionaly St Thomas and St John. Long story short, if you are a woman alone you have a target on your back.
There are those that would think nothing of hitting your car/ running you off the road while you are driving just to get you to pull over to rob you or "whatever".
After a particularly unsettling encounter my company insisted I have a driver and implemented other safety precautions.
To think that Amy was taken off that boat, and staff from the ship were involved is by no means far fetched. Lots of money changing hands everyday/ all day and none of it legal , down on those islands.
JMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

In the UNTOLD interview (WTVR CBS06) the brother debunks that notion that the family had an isssue with Amy's sexuality - He said that Amy came out o the family in 1995 as gay.

I find the brother quite credible. They have no reason to hide the truth.

JMO

And yet, they didn't disclose it immediately on the Netflix documentary and the family were pushing the story that all the men on the cruise were after her. Even the story of her having a boyfriend is odd, given that her friends weren't aware of it and she had previously declared herself as gay. Apparently her brother posts homophobic comments on his Twitter account as well.

 

[dulcinea]

I have wondered if Tom, Amy's alleged boyfriend at the time she went missing, was not someone she was dating but rather a close male friend that her parents assumed she was dating or that her parents hoped she was dating.

 

[TontonVador73]

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[Deleted member 363451]

I have wondered if Tom, Amy's alleged boyfriend at the time she went missing, was not someone she was dating but rather a close male friend that her parents assumed she was dating or that her parents hoped she was dating.

I think this is quite likely...

 

[Murkywaters]

In the UNTOLD interview (WTVR CBS06) the brother debunks that notion that the family had an isssue with Amy's sexuality - He said that Amy came out o the family in 1995 as gay.

I find the brother quite credible. They have no reason to hide the truth.

JMO

This is very important to emphasise. 1995 was three whole years before the cruise. They would have dealt with the initial shock and moved on. Amy moved on too; she found another girlfriend, Mollie, who was even over at the Bradley's home during Easter. Amy loved Mollie dearly, and you can clearly see that in the letters she was writing her.

The fact that Amy and Mollie reunited days before the cruise is a very, very important fact. She stated in the docuseries Amy was extremely excited about the cruise and that she and Mollie were planning on getting back together once she returned from the cruise. Amy even sent Mollie a postcard in San Juan. I'm sure she was extremely about all of this, not only did she get back with the woman she loved. She had a new dog, a new apartment and a new job waiting for her back home. Amy had the best laid plans.

 

[Aurora90]

I’m 100% with Otto.

One thing I took from the Netflix show was that the parents would only acknowledge something as fact if it suited their narrative.

They wholeheartedly agreed that the fellow who said Amy left the ship and went to a bar should be believed but the second part of his same statement, that it was to buy drugs, should not.

I used to work for a travel agency. Plenty of buttoned up people try things out of their comfort zone especially while in a new destination.

(I’ve also seen that in bad situations too. A lot of single gross elderly men booking one-way tickets to countries which I won’t name. I’m confident for nefarious reasons.)

Eat Pray Love was an entire book and movie about it. If we changed the subject of interest from men and pizza to say marijuana, then I don’t know how weird Amy’s curiosity would have been.

Assuming that’s what happened.

 

[avob00]

Is Mitchell Galway definitely the family’s PI? He said he is on the Facebook group but he really comes across as quite unprofessional.

He spends all of his time responding to Facebook comments from random people in the group and making claims that Amy is in Venezuela. Can’t find any information about him online either.

 

[Bluebear15]

Why isn't Amy's family considering that she jumped overboard, when it's the most likely explanation? Has it got anything to do with the fact that if there was a death policy on her, the insurance company wouldn't have paid out if she's committed suicide? Her parents both worked in insurance. Nobody knows if she had suicidal thoughts, no matter how positive her life looked from the outside. Also, alcohol can exacerbate feelings and it is a depressive. I think it's likely that her brother had an argument with her on the deck. He had also left her earlier from the disco. All of these conspiracy theories are just madness IMO.

To many religious people suicide is a great sin, and they believe that people who commit suicide don't get into heaven. Maybe her parents think like that.
Jmo, moo

 

[Deleted member 363451]

To many religious people suicide is a great sin, and they believe that people who commit suicide don't get into heaven. Maybe her parents think like that.
Jmo, moo

That could well be part of it, as well as embarrassment or guilt? It is of course possible that she fell, or that there was foul play involved.

 

[K9Enzo]

Because she was not suicidal and they knew her better than anyone. She was making many plans to start her life. IMO, the suicide theory is the biggest conspiracy theory there is. It goes against everything that everyone who knew her best says.

Of course we don’t know what really happened to her. However, people who have committed suicide have made plans, filled up their gas tanks the same day, went grocery shopping, accepted invitations, was happy about a work promotion, seemed happy at family gatherings, etc. They might even seem genuinely happy to loved ones and that might be because they know their suffering is closing. People don’t always leave notes and might make the decision close to the final act. If I want to talk to someone about a despondent or missing person, I’d want to talk to people outside of the immediate family, especially for a young person. imo

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Of course we don’t know what really happened to her. However, people who have committed suicide have made plans, filled up their gas tanks the same day, went grocery shopping, accepted invitations, was happy about a work promotion, seemed happy at family gatherings, etc. They might even seem genuinely happy to loved ones and that might be because they know their suffering is closing. People don’t always leave notes and might make the decision close to the final act. If I want to talk to someone about a despondent or missing person, I’d want to talk to people outside of the immediate family, especially for a young person. imo

Yes and for all we know, Amy may have suffered depression silently for some time. There may have been mood swings and some people may not have seen her at her lowest. It's possible that the guy known as 'Yellow' spiked her drink with something when she was at the disco that could have affected her mental state.

 

[adot0902]

January 1999- Navy Sailor “ Saw Amy asking for $200” at brothel or bar with hotel.

1999 is also when Frank Jones scammed the Bradley’s.

What is the chance the the woman at the Brothel was the hired Amy for the photos so knew the story.

My assumptions- Frank Jones was partying on the Bradley’s money… probably went to Brothels, found a young lady needed for pictures, told her or she figured it out.

 

[waldojabba]

And yet, they didn't disclose it immediately on the Netflix documentary and the family were pushing the story that all the men on the cruise were after her. Even the story of her having a boyfriend is odd, given that her friends weren't aware of it and she had previously declared herself as gay. Apparently her brother posts homophobic comments on his Twitter account as well.

Netflix picks and chooses what to tell in their docu series. By no means are their portrayals exhaustive. They also put their own spin on things with lighting/editing/music etc. and innuendo as well as omission of facts for a more forceful emotional punch. Bias.
If I am following a case I rarely watch the docuseries because I always walk away like What?
IME They miss so many subtle nuances and seem to have their own narrative.
JMO

 

[Occam's Zebra]

Brad reported that the balcony door was open which still has me believing Amy left through it. Amy Bradley's Brother Details Their Last Conversation 27 Years After Disappearance

My thought was: She was going to be sick. She opened the door to head for the bathroom and realized she wouldn't make it. Left the door open and went to hang herself over the balcony instead. Accidental fall.

BUT - with the door open, her family would hear her if she fell, yes? Maybe her fall is the "something" that woke her father?

I also could see her leaving the room, though. Her sandals were left on the balcony, but...were those the shoes she went dancing in? Unlikely IMHO. She could have put on the other shoes and left the room. I didn't see any video in the documentary that captured what her feet looked like in the disco.

Also, her cigarettes/lighter weren't found on the balcony. Would you put those in your jeans pocket while you were sitting on a lounger? I'm not a smoker but that sounds unlikely - put them on the table within reach.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Netflix picks and chooses what to tell in their docu series. By no means are their portrayals exhaustive. They also put their own spin on things with lighting/editing/music etc. and innuendo as well as omission of facts for a more forceful emotional punch. Bias.
If I am following a case I rarely watch the docuseries because I always walk away like What?
IME They miss so many subtle nuances and seem to have their own narrative.
JMO

That’s why I never watch Netflix documentary series. This is the first one I've ever watched.

 

[lohrtabitha]

My thought was: She was going to be sick. She opened the door to head for the bathroom and realized she wouldn't make it. Left the door open and went to hang herself over the balcony instead. Accidental fall.

BUT - with the door open, her family would hear her if she fell, yes? Maybe her fall is the "something" that woke her father?

I also could see her leaving the room, though. Her sandals were left on the balcony, but...were those the shoes she went dancing in? Unlikely IMHO. She could have put on the other shoes and left the room. I didn't see any video in the documentary that captured what her feet looked like in the disco.

Also, her cigarettes/lighter weren't found on the balcony. Would you put those in your jeans pocket while you were sitting on a lounger? I'm not a smoker but that sounds unlikely - put them on the table within reach.

No, I disagree. Even agent Sheridan of the FBI doesn't agree with that according to the NF documentary. Also the balcony rail is tall enough that you cant fall over it. Brad testified this to be true in his interview with the Young Jurks. I posted the link a few threads back. Yes, Amy had several pairs of shoes. She probably put on a good pair of walking shoes as she was going to disembark at 7.imo

 

[lohrtabitha]

Netflix picks and chooses what to tell in their docu series. By no means are their portrayals exhaustive. They also put their own spin on things with lighting/editing/music etc. and innuendo as well as omission of facts for a more forceful emotional punch. Bias.
If I am following a case I rarely watch the docuseries because I always walk away like What?
IME They miss so many subtle nuances and seem to have their own narrative.
JMO

So true Waldojabba. We saw this in the Karen Read documentary put out by HBO. They put the entertaining purpose first so they get more watchers. Imo