VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #4

[lohrtabitha]

Yes, and a single passenger of 242 souls can survive the horrific crash of an Air India 787. This isn't the norm. The majority of cases of people falling off high areas of ships perished. Mostly from drowning, but if high enough it's the equivalent of falling off a building and hitting concrete. Amy was on deck 8 of the 11 passenger decks, and is still at least a good 100ft up from the waterline. The Rhapsody Of The Seas is 193 feet tall with 12 decks total.

However, survival is possible as this source shows. It doesn't matter to me personally because i dont believe Amy fell or jumped. Here is a case in point. This passenger fell from 10th deck of a Royal Caribbean ship.

Royal Caribbean Passenger Survives Dramatic Fall From 10th Floor Deck

A 42-year-old woman on a Royal Caribbean cruise had a terrifying fall from the 10th floor deck of the ship on Sunday

people.com

 

[lohrtabitha]

Same reason why the Jimmy Hoffa case and Alcatraz escape are still open..no body

Exactly my point.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Exactly my point.

But we can judge on the balance of probabilities that Jimmy Hoffa, for instance, likely not disappear so that he could live a quiet life on some Pacific island with a mistress no one knew about.

The run-up to Hoffa's disappearance involved him trying to regain control of the Teamsters after prison, something that people around him feared might lead to a Mafia hit on him. He actually did disappear after a scheduled meeting with Mafia figures either fell through or came late, apparently leaving peacefully. Ambiguous physical evidence in a car and reportedly FBI intelligence that could not be shared seems to give people in the know a decent idea of who did it, even if the location of the body is unknown.

With the Alcatraz escapees, things do seem legitimately divided. Maybe they actually did escape to the mainland and disappear; maybe they drowned. The claims for their survival are ambiguous but may be imaginable, and there are pathways for the escapees to have been able to successfully escape.

The idea of Amy falling does make sense: This could plausibly be survivable only in the chance that people saw her fall and responded in time, which they did not, and the claims of the Curaçao coast guard that they would have found the body seem overstated given how they have demonstrated an inability to find much larger numbers of bodies more recently. The most plausible alternative to this, Amy meeting someone on the cruise ship who did her harm, has been rejected not because of its implausibility but because it does not leave open a possibility of Amy surviving.

The sex trafficking theory requires a novel conspiracy that no one has ever heard of before doing something that may never have been done before or after and to go on to do unlikely things with Amy like let her travel internationally, and really does seem to be substantially an outgrowth of the family's anxiety before Amy's disappearance over her lesbianism.

 

[Quill]

Didn't her dad report the door was closed?

I just watched Brad Bradley's YouTube interview where he says the door was open when his dad realized Amy was not on the balcony. He says it was opened about 18 inches or so. I'm not sure what her dad reported.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Profiler Pat Brown has uploaded a video to her YouTube account criticizing the sex trafficking theory, taking a look at the normal pattern.

One thing she makes clear is that outright abduction is very rare, that in most cases people are directed into sex work because it is the only option open to them. Sex traffickers do not need the fuss that would come with abducting random people, especially middle-class people who have the sorts of connections that could bring public furor down on them. Why abduct people when they have everyone from desperate runaways to international migrants caught by gangs to children presented by their parents available?

(She also makes the point that Amy, at 23, was very likely too old, that traffickers prefer younger people like older teenagers.)

Brown is careful to distinguish sex traffickers from serial killers, incidentally.

 

[Serononin]

You’re absolutely right, although I refer back to the guy in the NF documentary who claimed (and I know this is only his word we have) to know the current patterns and was adamant that something/anything would have washed ashore.

I do agree with you though; I also agree that there are a lot of if, buts and maybe’s here which we will never know the answers to.

Any time someone makes adamant statements in a missing person's case, I'm reminded of the sonar guy who said that Nicola Bulley couldn't possibly be in the section of the river that her body was, in fact, found in shortly afterwards

 

[Silverstorm]

I want to add that Amy may have been taken not for sex trafficking but drug trafficking.The sighting in the Barbados bathroom the men were saying the deal was happening at 11 and to be ready. It was a drug deal.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

I want to add that Amy may have been taken not for sex trafficking but drug trafficking.The sighting in the Barbados bathroom the men were saying the deal was happening at 11 and to be ready. It was a drug deal.

What would they need to abduct a random American for?

Keep in mind that she would not have her American travel documents, and would almost certainly not be acting freely. All that it would take would be for her to say something at customs and there, especially in the post-9/11 world, you go.

If you are talking about someone being used as a mule, somewhat analogously to sex trafficking there are already plenty of people who are willing to take the chance.

 

[lohrtabitha]

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[K9Enzo]

I want to add that Amy may have been taken not for sex trafficking but drug trafficking.The sighting in the Barbados bathroom the men were saying the deal was happening at 11 and to be ready. It was a drug deal.

Nah. Nothing says successful drug deal like forcing a kidnap victim to carry out the deal and reminding them of it in a restroom. That was another fantastical witness statement.

Amy is everywhere but no where at the same time according to these witnesses. imo only

 

[avob00]

Watched this last night. Brad is absolutely worn out. He needs to mind himself, he got very upset at the end of the video.

 

[TizerisT]

Was it a restaurant toilet? I don't think its a good place for a drug deal. I think (if the sighting is true) it sounds like they were driving to a contact to sell this woman, and she wanted to use a toilet en route. They stopped somewhere and allowed her but followed closely. The woman had a mini breakdown in the toilet and was trying to delay / process what was happening.

 

[K9Enzo]

Honestly, if I were "Yellow", I'd slap Brad Bradley with a cease and desist. I fully understand wanting to know what happened to your sister. Having a missing loved one is torture. I've seen the devastation. I also understand regardless of the years that have passed wanting to get her story out there again. That matters. But publicly accusing people without solid proof and potentially damaging their lives and reputations in the process is something I can't get behind. IMO

 

[adot0902]

Nah. Nothing says successful drug deal like forcing a kidnap victim to carry out the deal and reminding them of it in a restroom. That was another fantastical witness statement.

Amy is everywhere but no where at the same time according to these witnesses. imo only

Honestly I'm not sure what happened I'm keeping an open mind, but even I can't get on board with the "trafficking" drug/sex/unknown it makes no sense.

She either fell overboard/jumped over board
She willingly left the cruise ship

But being trafficked, seen with handlers in tourist hot spots at that, that is all way to implausible to me. As someone who spent large amounts of time in the Caribbean from 00-06, it just makes no sense.

 

[avob00]

Honestly, if I were "Yellow", I'd slap Brad Bradley with a cease and desist. I fully understand wanting to know what happened to your sister. Having a missing loved one is torture. I've seen the devastation. I also understand regardless of the years that have passed wanting to get her story out there again. That matters. But publicly accusing people without solid proof and potentially damaging their lives and reputations in the process is something I can't get behind. IMO

That’s the one thing. Why hasn’t AD made a case for defamation. I’ve no idea how it works over there but if one thing is truthful from him, he and his now wife and kids have been trollled online for many years. If he weren’t in Grenada, I think he would face a lot of public hate as well. Why hasn’t he made a case against the Bradley’s.

Profiler Pat Brown has uploaded a video to her YouTube account criticizing the sex trafficking theory, taking a look at the normal pattern.

One thing she makes clear is that outright abduction is very rare, that in most cases people are directed into sex work because it is the only option open to them. Sex traffickers do not need the fuss that would come with abducting random people, especially middle-class people who have the sorts of connections that could bring public furor down on them. Why abduct people when they have everyone from desperate runaways to international migrants caught by gangs to children presented by their parents available?

(She also makes the point that Amy, at 23, was very likely too old, that traffickers prefer younger people like older teenagers.)

Brown is careful to distinguish sex traffickers from serial killers, incidentally.

It was explained very clearly and in language that can be understood by anyone. She is very direct and blunt, she says what many people are thinking and have thought.

 

[adot0902]

That’s the one thing. Why hasn’t AD made a case for defamation. I’ve no idea how it works over there but if one thing is truthful from him, he and his now wife and kids have been trollled online for many years. If he weren’t in Grenada, I think he would face a lot of public hate as well. Why hasn’t he made a case against the Bradley’s.



It was explained very clearly and in language that can be understood by anyone. She is very direct and blunt, she says what many people are thinking and have thought.

AD is a Grenadian citizen. While I think he could 100% file the case it would accomplish two things for AD:
1) Himself thrown back into the spotlight ever more so than he is now
2) A very hard to win case... Could he win, maybe??? But that's a lot of time, money, and energy he has to put in for a probable unfavorable outcome. Not because he isn't entitled but because Defamation of Character cases are inherently hard to prove and he has the additional barrier or not being a US citizen suing a US citizen. Its a lose lose situation he is smart to avoid it.

 

[Beckycott]

Any time someone makes adamant statements in a missing person's case, I'm reminded of the sonar guy who said that Nicola Bulley couldn't possibly be in the section of the river that her body was, in fact, found in shortly afterwards

Yes, very fair point

 

[TizerisT]

Zooming in the timeline:
5:30 - Ron wakes and sees Amy on the balcony
5:50 ish - Ron wakes and cant see Amy
06:00 - Ship docks

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmyLynnBradley/comments/1m7mdl4/cruise_ships_docking_timeline_and_approximate

07:00ish - Alister approaches Brad at the pool and says hey, im sorry to hear about your sister

I cant see a Yellow trafficking scenario with that timeline. He was back too soon, imo, for that to be a plausible thing. On top of that, the ship docked in an industrial area. To get to the neighbourhoods area, you'd need to take a taxi. Unless he did it real fast, it's unlikely.

 

[Beckycott]

07:00ish - Alister approaches Brad at the pool and says hey, im sorry to hear about your sister

Or is this the perfect alibi? If he is just the runner/middle man/delivery guy, then making a point of going to speak to the family after the fact sounds like a perfect alibi to me, JMO.

Also, what does everybody think of the photographs going missing? Seems odd that they were there one minute then somebody has purchased or took them but it wasn’t any of the family members - IMO this fits with some sort of trafficking. For example if somebody purchased the photos to pass on to the OCG.. or I may have been watching too much CSI!

JMO

 

[TizerisT]

Or is this the perfect alibi? If he is just the runner/middle man/delivery guy, then making a point of going to speak to the family after the fact sounds like a perfect alibi to me, JMO.

I know, but look at the speed required. They dock at 6, and are not near the town. Its oil drums and warehouses in that area. Somehow, he was on the ship at 7, looking normal and on duty. Unless he did it all in an hour? Thats what it boils down to. And all this in the days before mobile wifi, could he realistically plan a set up?