VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #4

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James who? That was 18 minutes of my life I will not get back. This guy asked some ludicrous questions for an amateur crime podcaster. How about asking if she remembers a cool cartoon tattoo on her shoulder? That would be something memorable considering this woman was young at the time.
The woman seems semi-credible because I do believe she knew a woman named Jas/Jazz who was working as a call girl in Daytona Bach Florida when she lived there, but this woman was likely not Amy Bradley.
On a more salient note can someone please explain where the alleged "foot prints" found on the balcony table rumor came from? Was the table against the railing when it was found?

Something is amiss here, and some people seem to be vehemently pushing this "off the boat" and still alive somewhere narrative which honestly makes zero sense. We cannot just ignore simple facts relevant to the case. One is that Amy Bradley was by all accounts a lesbian who clearly preferred relationships with women. Maybe the family, including her brother are still in denial of her homosexuality, but just looking at her pics from the time. she had a very 90's alpha butch look to her. Short hair, baggy jeans. The point being is she wasn't interested in Yellow, or any other man, and likely was just having a good time under the influence when she danced with Yellow. If there was some nefarious scheme to kidnap her into the sex trafficking trade, they picked the wrong woman.
That being said I cannot see any logical scenario outside of her having an undisclosed drug habit where she could have landed in the sex trafficking trade in the Caribbean. Traffickers simply do not generally target Caucasian women in their twenties on vacation with their families. It's mostly young, and vulnerable migrants from places like Venezuela who are victimized in that sad regional trade.

Sorry to be pessimistic here, but I think the ship long sailed off in this case no pun intended. And if I was a betting man I'd say the simplest explanation is that she went overboard on her own, or with help. It happens. When I was in the Navy, we lost more than a few sailors on long deployments on the carrier cruises. An aircraft carrier is like a floating city, and drunken fights, suicides etc are more common than you would think. I remember hearing at least one man overboard alert on the comm, and I remember asking a chief in my squadron later why the boat didn't stop to look for them. He just chuckled and said "just try not to fall off the boat kid" and walked away. I know some people would call that callous, but it's reality. Just like the cruise ship guy in the Netflix series said "In the end this is a business" The other 2000 guests did not ask for one woman to go missing, and potentially ruin their dream vacation. You can empathize with the family's panic at the time, but for them to demand they keep people on the boat was incredibly selfish in my opinion.
Amy had a boyfriend whose watch she was wearing on the trip. Brad said that Amy came out to the family a couple years before the cruise even happened. I believe she was bisexual but what does it really matter? I would have asked the ship to keep the people on the boat as well if my son was missing. Your children mean the world to you. I don't see the harm in asking everyone to be on the lookout for Amy. This was an emergency situation. As a parent, I have experienced gut situations or so called mother's intuition involving my son's. My mom has had them with me. I believe it would have been the right thing to do. I also recognize that the boat didn't want to cause a panic either but I'm saying as a parent, I would have asked the boat to detain the guests for an hour or so . In the documentary, the FBI didn't get there for 2 days and found out that the crew members rooms and passengers were never checked. They could have easily been checked. There was enough staff to do this. Imo
 
  • #122
I dont think it would have been hard. One of the witnesses saw Yellow hand Amy a drink. That drink could have drugged her. Yellow could have passed her off to someone else on the boat and they could have simply walked her off the boat along with the other passengers or carted her off the boat. There was not just one witness but three witnesses who testified before the grand jury. Why would they lie? He is a pretty rememberable character. He also was interested in Amy. You don't dance that way with someone you have no interest with.
Why assume that they did lie? A mistake is a much more common sort of issue with an eyewitness identification than a lie, since that would assume some sort of malice.
 
  • #123
Amy had a boyfriend whose watch she was wearing on the trip. Brad said that Amy came out to the family a couple years before the cruise even happened. I believe she was bisexual but what does it really matter?

It does matter. It is something that the family had been actively trying to hide for decades, something that fits in their established pattern—established in a court of law—of actively trying to hide evidence and reports that go against their chosen story. It also speaks about Amy, including the tense relationships with a family unhappy with her sexual orientation as well as a pattern of heavy drinking that could easily have contributed to a fall.

From this distance, we cannot settle to question of Amy's exact sexuality. I would say that the boyfriend story, based on what we know, sounds a lot like Amy trying to please a family that was upset with her being out to the point of sending her girlfriend a nasty letter. I would also note that Amy at college, away from her family, did identify as gay.

I would have asked the ship to keep the people on the boat as well if my son was missing. Your children mean the world to you. I don't see the harm in asking everyone to be on the lookout for Amy. This was an emergency situation. As a parent, I have experienced gut situations or so called mother's intuition involving my son's. My mom has had them with me. I believe it would have been the right thing to do. I also recognize that the boat didn't want to cause a panic either but I'm saying as a parent, I would have asked the boat to detain the guests for an hour or so . In the documentary, the FBI didn't get there for 2 days and found out that the crew members rooms and passengers were never checked. They could have easily been checked. There was enough staff to do this. Imo
I do not think that the family's desire for a quick response is inherently suspicious, though I do wonder if the father's immediate reaction when he heard that noise might betray something he did not recognize at the time. Might it have been a yelp as she fell?
 
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  • #124
You missed my point. Just because we, as non criminals/human traffickers (at least i hope), cannot wrap our heads around why she would’ve been taken or why xyz would’ve happened, doesn’t mean it’s impossible. There are a lot of things that have happened in the world that I would’ve never ever thought possible and still struggle to believe actually occurred. I was on the bus to high school on 9/11/2001 and when it was announced on the radio that a plane hit a tower in NYC I thought it was an accidental crash. When I later saw the footage and found out it was terrorism I couldn’t believe it, and frankly still struggle to truly grasp it. Out of all the flights that happen every single day, crashes are rare, and intentional crashes into buildings even rarer. Does that mean it didn’t happen and we all imagined it? Again, Statistics do not equal actual hard evidence. You can use them to guide your thinking and support your theory, absolutely, but they can’t be used to outright dismiss something. Statistically rare things happen to people all the time.
Right.

The problem is that this sort of convoluted conspiracy, something that the family insists including escorted international trips that would be extraordinarily high risk, is something that has never been demonstrated before or since.

Can anyone point to a single case, before and after, of a cruise ship passenger travelling with her family en route to a stable destination (not yet having arrived there) being abducted and made into a sex slave?

It is not a matter of not being able to get a head around the idea. It is a matter of this sort of high-risk abduction and multi-year detention not being something in the interest of sex traffickers, and frankly not something that they would have to do. There were millions of perfectly average white women living next door to Curaçao in Venezuela at the time, a country that was experiencing times yard enough that plausibly many Amys would have freely presented themselves. Going after a tourist—especially a tourist travelling with her family, and seen as such if this hypothetical gang had hypothetical agents on board—would not make sense. Why seek out trouble?

One thing that could easily have happened is some sort of lethal attack on Amy, whether on the cruise ship or perhaps even on land if she had somehow disembarked. This is something that the Bradleys seem not have explored at all, even though it is imaginable. Why?

Let's go back to Jimmy Hoffa. If Hoffa's family had insisted after he disappeared that he had not been murdered by the Mafia, but rather that he met with people unknown to anyone who helped him relocate to a pleasant life on an obscure Pacific island, we would not recognize this as a serious theory. We would recognize this as an expression of the family's deep grief, their desperate desire to believe that their loved one was still alive even if our of their reach. Compare the Sodder family's insistence that the missing children had not been burned up in that tragic Christmas fire, but were rather being kept alive by a mysterious conspiracy, just outside of rescue.

This might even extend to intentional misrepresentation and false claims. Here on Websleuths, multiple people looked for an article that George Sodder claimed to have seen featuring a child who looked like one of the missing children.


The consensus seems to be that the article never existed, or that it did, so many of the particulars were drastically off. We can compare how the Bradleys created a narrative of an Amy who was so obviously attractive to heterosexual men on the cruise that she was a top target for an unprecedented abduction, substantially out of their prior concern about how Amy was out as queer and preferred a butch style.
 
  • #125
Side note -

The fact that certain gender stereotypes are more entrenched than ever are clear in this case. It was actually common in the 90s for women to have short hair and wear loose comfortable clothing. You'd see female celebs styled this way. This was before skin-tight clothing was everywhere. Yet now people are making a big deal out of a woman dressing comfortably-- like it's so out of the ordinary that it needs to be constantly brought up as relevant to the case! I saw someone in another thread saying Amy's style meant Amy was questioning her gender identity. Wow. It's like people think only men like to be comfortable and not fuss with long hair or teeter around in stilettos. Her sexuality and her short hair do not mean she identified as a man. And I don't think her preference for comfortable clothing is relevant to the case.
 
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  • #126
ames who? That was 18 minutes of my life I will not get back. This guy asked some ludicrous questions for an amateur crime podcaster. How about asking if she remembers a cool cartoon tattoo on her shoulder?
He didn't ask that because this woman is claiming she knew Jas in 1994-1996, and that Jas was not Amy. I'm not sure why people who have watched this interview are still confused on that point. I saw others on the video wondering the same thing.

Amy disappeared in 1998, years after the woman in the interview said those pics were taken.

I don't know if the woman's testimony is accurate or not, but we can at least be accurate in reporting what her claims are.
 
  • #127
Side note -

The fact that certain gender stereotypes are more entrenched than ever are clear in this case. It was actually common in the 90s for women to have short hair and wear loose comfortable clothing. You'd see female celebs styled this way. This was before skin-tight clothing was everywhere. Yet now people are making a big deal out of a woman dressing comfortably-- like it's so out of the ordinary that it needs to be constantly brought up as relevant to the case! I saw someone in another thread saying Amy's style meant Amy was questioning her gender identity. Wow. It's like people think only men like to be comfortable and not fuss with long hair or teeter around in stilettos. Yes she was bisexual. But her sexuality and her short hair do not mean she identified as a man. And I don't think her preference for comfortable clothing is relevant to the case.
Yes, BUT, in the late 1980s, Holly Hunter (broadcast news) and Ally Sheedy (st Elmos Fire) rocked the short hair, loose clothes look. The late 90s were Sarah Jessica Parker (Sex in the City) and Jennifer Aniston (Friends). IIRC and MOO
 
  • #128
Yes, BUT, in the late 1980s, Holly Hunter (broadcast news) and Ally Sheedy (st Elmos Fire) rocked the short hair, loose clothes look. The late 90s were Sarah Jessica Parker (Sex in the City) and Jennifer Aniston (Friends). IIRC and MOO
Those were some celebs in the late 90s, yes. Other female celebs wore loose clothes and short hair even in 1998. Style has never been a monolith. In 1998 it was common for women to dress more comfortably than the skin tight style now. Regardless, her preference for practical clothing has little relevance to the case, so people need to stop obsessing on her short hair and style as if it were outside the norm. Imo
 
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  • #129
Those were some celebs in the late 90s, yes. Other female celebs wore loose clothes and short hair even in 1998. Style has never been a monolith. In 1998 it was common for women to dress more comfortably than the skin tight style now. Regardless, her preference for practical clothing has little relevance to the case, so people need to stop obsessing on her short hair and style as if it were outside the norm. Imo
Agree - don’t see how it’s relevant either
 
  • #130
Was it a restaurant toilet? I don't think its a good place for a drug deal. I think (if the sighting is true) it sounds like they were driving to a contact to sell this woman, and she wanted to use a toilet en route. They stopped somewhere and allowed her but followed closely. The woman had a mini breakdown in the toilet and was trying to delay / process what was happening.
Any place is good for a drug deal. As a high-school teacher I can tell you that drugs are dealt not only in the bathrooms but the hallways and classrooms too. Moo
 
  • #131
Side note -

The fact that certain gender stereotypes are more entrenched than ever are clear in this case. It was actually common in the 90s for women to have short hair and wear loose comfortable clothing. You'd see female celebs styled this way. This was before skin-tight clothing was everywhere. Yet now people are making a big deal out of a woman dressing comfortably-- like it's so out of the ordinary that it needs to be constantly brought up as relevant to the case! I saw someone in another thread saying Amy's style meant Amy was questioning her gender identity. Wow. It's like people think only men like to be comfortable and not fuss with long hair or teeter around in stilettos. Her sexuality and her short hair do not mean she identified as a man. And I don't think her preference for comfortable clothing is relevant to the case.
Yes and Princess Diana was aspired to for her beauty in her short haircuts. My dad made me get a Dorothy Hamil short haircut in middle school. He thought she was beautiful! I hated the haircut by the way.
 
  • #132
Any place is good for a drug deal. As a high-school teacher I can tell you that drugs are dealt not only in the bathrooms but the hallways and classrooms too. Moo
Yes but thats among teenagers in an enclosed environment, with small amounts. Adults doing the same thing in a public space rather than say, a car, would be rather naive.

Regarding Rebekah Aliff's interview, I beleive it too. Up until 13 minutes of the interview she seems baffled when asked about the documentary - she didnt even know there was one. She accurately described the bed without seeing the full picture. Even though those pictures we're already public, it seems she wasnt aware of any of this. I think she's telling the truth.
 
  • #133
Yes but thats among teenagers in an enclosed environment, with small amounts. Adults doing the same thing in a public space rather than say, a car, would be rather naive.

Regarding Rebekah Aliff's interview, I beleive it too. Up until 13 minutes of the interview she seems baffled when asked about the documentary - she didnt even know there was one. She accurately described the bed without seeing the full picture. Even though those pictures we're already public, it seems she wasnt aware of any of this. I think she's telling the truth.
I disagree. I have seen drugs dealt in the street and casino bathrooms in Las Vegas. They are easy to transport and pass. Heck they are even dealt in prison. Moo
 
  • #134
Did LE not take any photos of Amy's balcony? Where the shoes were placed....and where the table was placed up against the balcony?
I know the room had already been cleaned, but did anyone even try to investigate the room? Has anyone come across pictures of their cabin or balcony? I'd also be curious to know if they have ever tested the lifeboat under their balcony for her DNA, in case she hit it on her way down.
 
  • #135
I dont think it would have been hard. One of the witnesses saw Yellow hand Amy a drink. That drink could have drugged her. Yellow could have passed her off to someone else on the boat and they could have simply walked her off the boat along with the other passengers or carted her off the boat. There was not just one witness but three witnesses who testified before the grand jury. Why would they lie? He is a pretty rememberable character. He also was interested in Amy. You don't dance that way with someone you have no interest with.
The times just don't make sense. People aren't teleporting around the ship. Why would Amy take a drink from someone at 5:45AM? Wasn't Yellow actually awoken in his room at 7am?

This was not an empty ship. If Yellow and Amy were on the move at these hours, people would've seen them... not one couple of people... not someone else maybe from a distance, but quite a few.

Witnesses claimed to see Yellow, but did anyone claim to see the witnesses and verify their stories and times? I'm pretty sure the public answer is 'no.'

There are a lot of reasons that eyewitnesses can be off. Their stories can be influenced by information they hear... some people like to insert themselves into situations... they can be outright mistaken.
 
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The times just don't make sense. People aren't teleporting around the ship. Why would Amy take a drink from someone at 5:45AM? Wasn't Yellow actually awoken in his room at 7am?

This was not an empty ship. If Yellow and Amy were on the move at these hours, people would've seen them... not one couple of people... not someone else maybe from a distance, but quite a few.

Witnesses claimed to see Yellow, but did anyone claim to see the witnesses and verify their stories and times? I'm pretty sure the public answer is 'no.'

There are a lot of reasons that eyewitnesses can be off. Their stories can be influenced by information they hear... some people like to insert themselves into situations... they can be outright mistaken.
According to Brad, Amy was sitting with Yellow ans some other crew members at a table at the disco. It is very possible that Yellow brought her up in that elevator as two witnesses reported around 5:30ish, gave her a drink as another witness reported seeing, and then passed her off to a crew member partner. Amy's mom said she saw a crew member staring at Amy for a while that evening. Amy's camera and cigarettes were missing. I think Yellow lured her up there so she could get some pictures of the sunrise and town. I don't think Yellow was working alone. I know back in the 90s as a single female my friends and I were told at several clubs not to set our drinks down. People were rufeeing them. Several girls in Virginia were being drugged and taken to the bathroom or outside and were raped. I believe this happened to Amy and she was walked or carted off that boat. Moo
 
  • #137
Something positive happening with cruises leaving from Seattle involving the fight against human trafficking.
 
  • #138
Amy's camera and cigarettes were missing.
Brad says here the camera was in the safe. The family has the camera.

He also says in past older interviews he speculated that she may have left to take pictures, but now he doesn't seem sure of that anymore since they have her camera and all the film; he does not know if she had a disposable.

(seems unlikely IMO that if she were in a photography contest, she would take a disposable to photograph the stunning entry to Curacao with the colorful buildings and leave behind her better camera)

I doubt, IMO, that she left the room to take pictures. She could have left for other reasons, though. I can't remember if any friends / family said she used drugs? Seems like I remember Brad saying she just smoked cigs and drank. But, if she were into any drugs, I could see leaving to score some. Could also explain why she didn't leave a note -- didn't want her family to know she left. All speculation and theorizing and just my opinion! I think it's impossible to know what happened IMO.

 
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According to Brad, Amy was sitting with Yellow ans some other crew members at a table at the disco. It is very possible that Yellow brought her up in that elevator as two witnesses reported around 5:30ish, gave her a drink as another witness reported seeing, and then passed her off to a crew member partner. Amy's mom said she saw a crew member staring at Amy for a while that evening. Amy's camera and cigarettes were missing. I think Yellow lured her up there so she could get some pictures of the sunrise and town. I don't think Yellow was working alone. I know back in the 90s as a single female my friends and I were told at several clubs not to set our drinks down. People were rufeeing them. Several girls in Virginia were being drugged and taken to the bathroom or outside and were raped. I believe this happened to Amy and she was walked or carted off that boat. Moo
Brad said, IIRC, that Amy was with AD/Yellow and a few other people who he thought were crew, in an area above the dance floor. He thought it might be a crew only area.
As he explained it, he left and went outside the disco to talk to a couple of girls and Amy was still there standing off to the side, seemingly by herself. Brad doesn’t remember seeing AD dance/grind on Amy. Later, when Brad left to go to the cabin, was when she was with the group from the ship. All according to Brad interviews released this week.

Due to AD’s differing accounts of when he went to bed, when he was awakened by his boss in the morning, when he took polygraphs, what and how long he spoke to Amy and his general knowledge of, yet disregard of the fraternizing rules — combined with written accounts of other passengers accusing him of fraternizing/sleeping with passengers, I dont take what he says at face value. I think he knows more than what he is saying. And, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had something to do with what happened to Amy. I still lean towards drug deal gone wrong or rebuked sexual advance.i can’t get behind the whole sex trafficking thing. I think it was an accident- unplanned. MOO
 
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