VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #6

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  • #901
Not sure I really want to stir the pot about this, but 1st degree murder requires premeditation. We don't know what happened. There are certain defenses that wipe away premeditation. Maybe he has one?

Yeah , but , he stacked the bodies , like , FOUR HIGH.


That's calling for some severe punishment.

Anyways , first the guy thinks that the other inmates are like family . Now he thinks he is going to be out in a decade or two.

Not so fast , Ginger !
 
  • #902
Yeah , but , he stacked the bodies , like , FOUR HIGH.


That's calling for some severe punishment.

Anyways , first the guy thinks that the other inmates are like family . Now he thinks he is going to be out in a decade or two.

Not so fast , Ginger !

Yeah, I don't think he really gets whats going on.
 
  • #903
Hang him? Ahh crap, we dont do that any more. I supose the state of VA will just have to do the lethal injection.

(BTW, i dont advicate hanging people, i could see people connecting that to the souther state thing lol.)

Oh, and i agree with both people who say Virginia is a southern state AND the one that says its not. I would say southern virginia is a completely different place from northern virgnia. COMPLETELY different.

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Yeah this is hilarious.

But maybe you meant more like this:

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The Hanged Man represents the initiate into the mysteries.

He is also identified with Odin:

"The Hanged Man is often associated with Odin, the primary god of the Norse Pantheon. Odin hung upside down from the world-tree, Yggdrasil, for nine days to attain wisdom and thereby retrieved The Runes from the Well of Wyrd, which the Norse cosmology regarded as the source and end of all Mystery and all knowledge. The moment he glimpsed the runes, he died, but the knowledge of them was so powerful that he immediately returned to life. This interpretation highlights the necessity of undertaking acts of personal sacrifice in order to achieve one's own higher spiritual good."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanged_Man_(tarot_card)

Note also the pose of the hanged man which is known as a "fylfot":

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  • #904
About the Klan. About 30 miles south of Branson, Missouri is Omaha, Arkansas. There used to be a highway sign there that said "This stretch of highway is maintained by the Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan." They don't do that anymore cause people kept stealin the sign. I seriously considered stealing it--LOL

Did you see the story about the stealing of the sign from Auschwitz?

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8421988.stm

"Work sets you free"
 
  • #905
Honestly, in my opinion, Sam is a very naive kid. I'm sure his lawyer told him that that was his trial strategy and Sam believes him.
I agree. I get the feeling that he is not only naive, but possibly a little slow in the noggin.
I have a brother who is a whiz when it comes to computers, but socially he is not all there.
 
  • #906
I agree. I get the feeling that he is not only naive, but possibly a little slow in the noggin.
I have a brother who is a whiz when it comes to computers, but socially he is not all there.

Sam is going to need his lawyer to pull a Perry Mason miracle.

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  • #907
All I can say is... someone actually named their kid "Smedley"?? Wow. Thanks, Mom and Dad.

Almost as bad as "Percy" heh heh.

Honestly, in my opinion, Sam is a very naive kid. I'm sure his lawyer told him that that was his trial strategy and Sam believes him.

Thats actually the first thing that came to mind also.

Yeah, I don't think he really gets whats going on.

This could be a defense in and of itself.

Sam is going to need his lawyer to pull a Perry Mason miracle.

perrymason.jpg

Indeed!
 
  • #908
Almost as bad as "Percy" heh heh.



Thats actually the first thing that came to mind also.



This could be a defense in and of itself.



Indeed!

If he didn't/doesn't understand what is happening, why did he lie to people he met and try to leave town?
 
  • #909
Those that have been following both the semiotics discussion regarding the meaning of words and other symbols and the parallel discussion of race issues in Farmville might find this story and discussion interesting: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/farmville-va/TUJ070QP3JTN73F3O

Apparently some members of the Farmville city council are semioticians too.

ETA: actually its the board of supervisors....

VA government can be a bit confusing. In VA, town, like Farmville, are a part of a county. Cities, are independent. Farmville has a town council with very limited powers. Real power there would be with the board of supervisors. Or CHI of course :)

Actually in VA, since we are what's known as a Dillon's Rule state, the only real authority to write laws is given to the state legislature. Localities merely reference State Code in local Code. I'm clueless as to why they have to do it twice if it's already the Code oVA, but that's how they do it for what it's worth.

I personally think it preposterous to have a group of people apologize for something they didn't do. At least it makes some sense in Farmville if we consider a board as an entity with an existence that outlives its members. I'm not sure I buy that though.

In Charlottesville where I live, the City Council recently apologized for closing schools for a few years here. Charlottesville's City Council never did that though. It was Virginia's Governor Lynwood Holton who closed schools here after he warned that he would close any schools that integrated. The local schools were integrated and then were closed as a result.

Maybe it's a useful fiction to apologize so things can move forward, but useful fictions raise a lot of other issues if were going to start doing that as a matter of course.
 
  • #910
  • #911
I loves me some simple pleasures. Stealing this bit of esoteric knowledge is one of them. I now know 2 html tricks!

I wandered into this website and its discussion of the fylfot, that I thought I'd share parts of. http://www.odinic-rite.org/fylfot.html I have of course butchered things to make them suit my purposes, so check it out yourself, it's an interesting and relatively brief read.

ONE of the most venerable signs of our religion, one of the most universal symbols of mankind's spiritual aspirations, and yet one of the most passionately controversial, is undoubtedly the fylfot, more commonly known as the swastika......

... For the Hindus it is the holiest of signs; for the Buddhists an emblem of their Enlightened One; for the Lamaists of Tibet it is a sacred mantra and for the adherents of Cao Dai in Vietnam the particular symbol of their creed. Nor can we overlook its religious use by the native races of the entire New World, from the Aztecs to the Aleutians, and in the animistic magic of the Ashanti and other African tribes, where we must assume its origins lie in the spontaneous creation of the indigenous culture rather than in extraneous influences......


.....A symbol means, after all, whatever it is understood to mean. If for the war veteran it means the enemy he fought in the last war, if for the war widow it means the cause of her loss, then that is what it means to them, regardless of what it means to Odinists.
 
  • #912
....My daughter is 15 and we had one guy come sniffing around fairly recently. I let him come over a few times when I was here, but I also brandished an aluminum baseball bat on his first visit. ....

I was a happy poppa on that day.

No need for threats, just smile and say you're pleased to meet him.
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  • #913
  • #914
those preppy kids who attend private schools and academies and wear all those fancy looking clothes are some of the hardest partying drug using and sexually promiscuis crowds

My son (now 21, if you don't have that written down by now!), went to a public high school that is 65% black (we're white), and has families from the poorest of the poor to millionaires.
Down the road is one of The private high schools in town ... preppy, preppy, preppy.
The saying is that the kids at our high school sell all the drugs to all the kids at The high school to do!
 
  • #915
Dawg. I like you. Trust me, VA is the south.

Coming from a Chicagoan, btw.

I can pretty definitively say Central Virginia is in the North at least temporarily. I shoveled about a foot of snow of of my front walk a few hours ago and it's already 6 inches deep again. It's supposed to keep coming all day tomorrow.
 
  • #916
No need for threats, just smile and say you're pleased to meet him.
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Oh I didn't threaten him...

I just had a baseball bat in my hand ;)
 
  • #917
I loves me some simple pleasures. Stealing this bit of esoteric knowledge is one of them. I now know 2 html tricks!

I wandered into this website and its discussion of the fylfot, that I thought I'd share parts of. http://www.odinic-rite.org/fylfot.html I have of course butchered things to make them suit my purposes, so check it out yourself, it's an interesting and relatively brief read.

ONE of the most venerable signs of our religion, one of the most universal symbols of mankind's spiritual aspirations, and yet one of the most passionately controversial, is undoubtedly the fylfot, more commonly known as the swastika......

... For the Hindus it is the holiest of signs; for the Buddhists an emblem of their Enlightened One; for the Lamaists of Tibet it is a sacred mantra and for the adherents of Cao Dai in Vietnam the particular symbol of their creed. Nor can we overlook its religious use by the native races of the entire New World, from the Aztecs to the Aleutians, and in the animistic magic of the Ashanti and other African tribes, where we must assume its origins lie in the spontaneous creation of the indigenous culture rather than in extraneous influences......


.....A symbol means, after all, whatever it is understood to mean. If for the war veteran it means the enemy he fought in the last war, if for the war widow it means the cause of her loss, then that is what it means to them, regardless of what it means to Odinists.

Again, this neglects that the Nazis chose this symbol for a reason. They also used other symbols such as lightning bolts and of course the skull and cross bones.

All of these symbols had meaning to the Nazis, they were not chose arbitrarily nor are they arbitrary constructions of lines on paper. The form of the symbol has meaning and a historical origin.

The swastika appears in so many different cultures and yet it means something similar in all of them. Don't just look at the surface...

For example, there are left and right hand orientations. The Nazis chose the left hand orientation which is associated with the Goddess Kali and left hand path tantra. Are you claiming that they didn't know this? That the choice of orientation was arbitrary and meaningless? Just because this knowledge is now forgotten does not mean it has no relevance or import with respect the meaning of this symbol or the Nazi's use of it.

In Buddhism the symbol is considered the first of the 65 auspicious signs of a Buddha and is often shown on the Buddha's hands or feet. Do you think the Nazis failed to understand this meaning and its import to their cause? Why did they send expeditions to Tibet?

In fact the Nazis knew of these various uses of the Swastika around the world, including in traditional Norse shamanism as well as Hindu tantra. This is precisely why they used it.
 
  • #918
Here's another way to think about it....

Imagine you show this picture to three individuals: a modern World War II historian, a rural Indian villager who has never heard of WWII or Nazis, and an alien from a distant planet that knows nothing of human history or culture

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Who will have the most accurate description of the depicted event? The Indian villager will associate the symbol with Kali likely having seen it on a temple or painting. Is his interpretation correct simply because he doesn't know about the Nazis? I do not think so. Further, the alien might not even be able to name the items shown in the picture, whereas the historian might know the date and time of this march as well as its larger meaning in the context of historical events.

Just because the participants in a ritual like the Chi walk fail to understand the employed symbols, this does not imply that the underlying meaning of those symbols disappears. The symbols are employed in a historical context that gives them meaning beyond what individuals may or may not know of them.
 
  • #919
In fact the Nazis knew of these various uses of the Swastika around the world, including in traditional Norse shamanism as well as Hindu tantra. This is precisely why they used it.

Well don't stop there. Why, exactly?
 
  • #920
Here's another way to think about it....

Imagine you show this picture to three individuals: a modern World War II historian, a rural Indian villager who has never heard of WWII or Nazis, and an alien from a distant planet that knows nothing of human history or culture

44Nazi_march.jpg


Who will have the most accurate description of the depicted event? The Indian villager will associate the symbol with Kali likely having seen it on a temple or painting. Is his interpretation correct simply because he doesn't know about the Nazis?

I do not think so.

What's the point of including the alien in your hypothetical? I'd be interested in knowing what she says, depending on whether there is a similar societal structure/history of conflict and engagement in the alien culture, or not.
 
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