GUILTY VA - Genevieve 'Gini' Orange, 29, raped & murdered, Falls Church, 25 Sept 2008

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Blink34 said:
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Air, If I am sure of something I know will be sensitve to the fam, I do what I did above, wait for it to be reported, as I am sure you did. I am the first to admit that kind of atrocity takes me up a level or 5. WTH?

Lawlor is not from Va, only been there a little over a year, there is alot of ground to cover, but we will. As this is unfolding, apparently this is a bigger issue.
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You're right. I did what you did. I waited for it to be reported. This is a definite WTH kind of thing. I just have to wonder how on earth this creep ended up being a leasing agent at an apartment complex given his criminal background. Merciful heavens!! Lovely! The fox guarding the hen house.

I am also wondering why if he was convicted in some other state he was released into a drug and alcohol program in Virginia. Did his own state not have one? Do you know where he is from? There are just questions, questions, and more questions.
 
  • #82
Blink34 said:
I smell a plea on that. A person with zero priors, in a domestic dispute, does not get 6 years, which is essentially removing them from a 5 years less one day facility. Six years on that charge tells me there was reason to sentence and charge him accordingly. Interstate backgrounds are a challenge, espcially when the subject may be using other alias's.

That was not his first rodeo. No way. More to learn, too late I am afraid.
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I agree. I smell a plea deal on that, too. I also agree that this was not his first time out with something like that. It's just the first time he was brought up on felony charges.
 
  • #83
Airplane said:
You're right. I did what you did. I waited for it to be reported. This is a definite WTH kind of thing. I just have to wonder how on earth this creep ended up being a leasing agent at an apartment complex given his criminal background. Merciful heavens!! Lovely! The fox guarding the hen house.

I am also wondering why if he was convicted in some other state he was released into a drug and alcohol program in Virginia. Did his own state not have one? Do you know where he is from? There are just questions, questions, and more questions.
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Yes, as did SS, she is the best "sleuther" with the best instincts I know.

I do know where he is from, the problem is, I can't reconcile several records. At this point it would be irreponsible of me to post- still digging.

That is a first for me, and I have pretty strong resources. There are cracks in his cement, big time. Even his known associates are not checking out. Questions breeding questions, not a good sign.
 
  • #84
Blink34 said:
Yes, as did SS, she is the best "sleuther" with the best instincts I know.

I do know where he is from, the problem is, I can't reconcile several records. At this point it would be irreponsible of me to post- still digging.

That is a first for me, and I have pretty strong resources. There are cracks in his cement, big time. Even his known associates are not checking out. Questions breeding questions, not a good sign.
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It will be interesting to find out if the dots that don't connect are the result of serendipity and typos or if someone is helping him out.

I'm not a very good sleuther, but I do have good instincts and am careful about what I post. However, I wouldn't be surprised to find that he is connected to lots of crimes, one way or the other. You're right: questions breeding questions is not a good sign.
 
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Awww, thanks, Blinkster!
 
  • #87
SeriouslySearching said:
FOX 5 has learned that the DNA evidence taken from the victim's body matches the suspect's DNA, which was stored in a Virginia database.

Residents tell FOX 5 that Lawlor had keys to everyone's apartment. Police say he has an extensive criminal record which includes charges of DUI, kidnapping and assault.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/...n=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
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SS, if his DNA was stored in a Virginia database, he was either convicted of a felony in Virginia or they demanded a DNA sample from him as a condition of his release into a Virginia drug and alcohol treatment program.

I suspect Lawlor has a rap sheet as long as your leg. In several different states. I think he's been violent for a long time, maybe going back to his teenage years. I am of the opinion that this is a seriously bad guy going back many, many years and it's going to take a while to piece him together.
 
  • #88
My thought was the kidnapping and assault must have been in VA for them to have his DNA on record. However, I agree that he is no stranger to this behavior. It didn't suddenly begin in 1999. It only happens that he got caught at that particular time.
 
  • #89
SeriouslySearching said:
My thought was the kidnapping and assault must have been in VA for them to have his DNA on record. However, I agree that he is no stranger to this behavior. It didn't suddenly begin in 1999. It only happens that he got caught at that particular time.
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I think you're right about that. That was my first thought as well. However, it seems that he was released on probation which would mean he was serving part of his sentence in Virginia. Since he's a felon, they would likely have demanded a DNA sample for their database since he would be Virginia's responsibility.

He just got caught in 1999. Now he's caught again and may well be facing the death penalty for a rape/murder.
 
  • #90
Airplane said:
I think you're right about that. That was my first thought as well. However, it seems that he was released on probation which would mean he was serving part of his sentence in Virginia. Since he's a felon, they would likely have demanded a DNA sample for their database since he would be Virginia's responsibility.

He just got caught in 1999. Now he's caught again and may well be facing the death penalty for a rape/murder.
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I am just not sure about that, that information is conflicting with what I have so far, as soon as I can confirm anything I will post.
 
  • #91
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100903099.html?hpid=sec-metro

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Eventually they focused on Lawlor, 43, searching his apartment late Wednesday for a blunt instrument that could have been used to kill Orange, as well as jewelry missing from her apartment.
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Fairfax County police think Lawlor killed Orange in her apartment last month, possibly by hitting her on the head with a hammer
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Police seized Lawlor's computer, cellphone and 13 keys, but they and Morrogh declined to discuss any evidence that they thought might directly incriminate Lawlor.
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Notably Fairfax Commonwealth Raymond F. Morrogh, is prosecuting the case himself.

I was made aware to day that in the state of VA. If you are arrested for any reason, the state can keep your DNA on file. As we know he has recently been arrested for drug charges as well as in the past, I am making the assumption that is how it is on file.

I sincerely hope they are running Lawlor's prints through AFIS, CODIS and any local LE that they find from his background while I am typing this.
 
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Wouldn't the state be obligated to pay for the apartments if they are part of a court-ordered program that they are required to reside in?

Also, part of the perks for a leasing agent or super is usually a free or much reduced apartment.
 
  • #94
Blink34 said:
http://www.berkshireapartments.com/realpage/realpage.aspx?prpURL=prestwick

Note the deposit amount is exactly the same no matter what your apartment. I can see how charging only 1/3 of the apartments rent for a deposit could attract undesirables.
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Blink I live in Virginia and this is par for the course. It is common practice here to charge about 1/3 of the rent as a basic deposit. Sometimes they will charge more deposit if an applicant's credit looks shaky and there is generally an extra deposit for pets. It doesn't have anything to do with attracting undesirables.
 
  • #95
SeriouslySearching said:
Wouldn't the state be obligated to pay for the apartments if they are part of a court-ordered program that they are required to reside in?

Also, part of the perks for a leasing agent or super is usually a free or much reduced apartment.
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I would think the state would be on the hook for the rent for something that is part of a court ordered program. They had to know what kind of person Lawlor was when they hired him. He wasn't paying his own rent.

And the leasing agent or super generally gets a free or much reduced apartment. That's true.
 
  • #96
Wow. What a deal! Here we pay first and last month's rent upfront as a deposit then usually another $100-$200 for pets.

You could be right, Blink. The drug charges would place his DNA in their system.
 
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Please accept my condolences, Tender. :( Gini seemed like such a perfect daughter, friend, and person. It would have been an honor to have known her from what I am learning. She was quite a role model and her presence will be missed in this world. We need more people like her.

Thanks for the additional information.
 
  • #99
SeriouslySearching said:
Wow. What a deal! Here we pay first and last month's rent upfront as a deposit then usually another $100-$200 for pets.

If he were still in the program, wouldn't it mean he was getting the apartment free and the State was still paying then? Wonder where that money was going?
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Here the pet deposit is usually about $300 per pet and there is normally a limit of two pets and they are restricted in size (usually to 20 or 25 pounds) and some dog breeds are simply not allowed. Working animals like seeing eye dogs are exempt from these rules.

If he were still in the program, the state would be paying for his apartment which he would be getting for little or nothing. It would be interesting to know if that is so and, if so, where the money was going. I would like to know about that.
 
  • #100
If I am reading these right then...he was out of jail during Jan. 2006.

These are great, Tender! Thanks so much. Helps a lot to see these in black and white.
 
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