VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #1

[sophiebelle]

I wondered the same. It seems so soon to me for the parents to go to suspecting foul play and I really hope they're wrong. I want Hannah to be found safe.

I wondered if someone told these parents to say this. So many young people are missing, and I think some agencies wait around to see if they show up or wait for more info. Crucial time is wasted if they wait. But I don't know on this case. The chief said they spoke from their heart. Just MO.

 

[Dixie811]

Wow, I just watched the videos. She seems disoriented to me, but she's not moving like someone who is falling-down-drunk, and she doesn't look like she's been drugged.

Yeah.. I didn't see her stumble. But I think she did 'weave' while walking. When watching the video from the irish pub, pay attention to when she first passes it, on the diagonal sidewalk (she then disappears from view for a minute before coming back to view and walking around the other side of the building). While walking on the diagonal sidewalk before she leaves view of the camera, she seems to weave from the sidewalk onto the grass for no apparent reason.

 

[blefuscu]

I'm just wondering. If she was lost, just lost and a bit drunk, she has passed a pub, a 24 hour gas station, the pubs and clubs in the mall, various people out enjoying their evenings. Why has she not asked anyone for help? Why has she not asked at the gas station for directions? She could have asked someone to call for a taxi cab for her, one of the bouncers at the pub door for example, or if she had seen a couple out together or a group of girls at the mall. It doesn't make sense that she's running around town heading in the opposite direction of where she wants to be. It just strikes me as odd that she's wandering around town with no real purpose of where she's going.

 

[necco]

Boy, this forum sure goes off on tangents. doesn't it?

I have no idea what you mean. I like penguins. Do you like penguins?

Back on topic, I feel so bad for Hannah's friends. I'm sure they are replaying every decision they made that night, over and over again.

 

[Dixie811]

I'm just wondering. If she was lost, just lost and a bit drunk, she has passed a pub, a 24 hour gas station, the pubs and clubs in the mall, various people out enjoying their evenings. Why has she not asked anyone for help? Why has she not asked at the gas station for directions? She could have asked someone to call for a taxi cab for her, one of the bouncers at the pub door for example, or if she had seen a couple out together or a group of girls at the mall. It doesn't make sense that she's running around town heading in the opposite direction of where she wants to be. It just strikes me as odd that she's wandering around town with no real purpose of where she's going.

You're right... but if she was lost and or scared, then she clearly just didn't have the presence of mind to help herself at that point. I say that because not only did she pass an open gas station, a pub full of people, and at least one witness at the mall, but she also had her phone with her until at least 1:20 AM (several minutes after arriving at the wall) and did not call 911 or anyone else for help. The text that said "I'm lost" (If she is the one who sent it) did not seem scared or panicky, or even ask for help. The map function is another thing on her phone that could have helped her if she was lost.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

There has to be a major missing element here. Does she have a boyfriend or guy she was dating? The way she is acting, walking/running alone at night, erratic behavior, etc. This indicates some level of inebriation from alcohol sure, but I feel that there is an emotional factor at play as well. What or who caused that reaction from Hannah? The answer to that is very important, IMO.


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[TTF14]

There has to be a major missing element here. Does she have a boyfriend or guy she was dating? The way she is acting, walking/running alone at night, erratic behavior, etc. This indicates some level of inebriation from alcohol sure, but I feel that there is an emotional factor at play as well. What or who caused that reaction from Hannah? The answer to that is very important, IMO.


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JMO, but I don't get that here at all. Watching the videos, the sense I get is that this was simply a very drunk girl who was wandering around and had completely lose her bearings . Maybe she didn't ask for help because she thought she'd eventually figure it out.

 

[CvilleMama]

Wow, I just watched the videos. She seems disoriented to me, but she's not moving like someone who is falling-down-drunk, and she doesn't look like she's been drugged.

If UVA is anything like my alma matter (one of the Big Ten), first-year students live on campus and don't really get to the main downtown area their first or second years, especially if they are involved in the Greek system and socializing at fraternity parties and the like, because the sororities and fraternities are on the other side of campus from the major part of downtown. In fact, I didn't really get to the center of town much until I was over 21 and could go to bars. I wonder if UVA is similar and she hadn't really been walking around that area on foot all that much, since she's only a sophomore? I could easily have gotten disoriented at night downtown, even if stone-cold sober.

UVA students mostly go to the Corner, which is an area of restaurants, bars and shops near where Hannah lives. The Downtown Mall is about a mile or so away--easily walkable. There are also trolleys that take students there. She is also a second-year. It would be very strange if she were not familiar with the Downtown Mall as a second-year. However it would not be unusual if she weren't familiar with the Grady/Preston area, where McGrady's is located.

I think I have a theory about why people are assumings sorority involvement. Someone above in the topic used the term "sorority house party." Chief Longo mentioned house parties several times, but that is not necessarily a fraternity house or a sorority house. Most upper-class students at UVA live off-campus and many of them live in houses, 5 or 6 or 10 to a house, depending on size. Knowing the area, it could EASILY have been either Greek housing or just someone's house.

 

[mirv22]

Coy Barefoot ‏@coybarefoot 50s
#BREAKING #HannahGraham appears on multiple surveillance videos on downtown mall before she disappeared- and a source tells me (cont'd)
#BREAKING that she is clearly visible on those videos. walking with another as-yet-un ID'd female. #HoosGotYourBack #HannahGraham

https://twitter.com/coybarefoot/status/512340453107462144

Interesting...these tweets were taken down. Either it was a mistaken tweet or a premature tweet, based on information given to him by his source that shouldn't have been given to him.

 

[NZkirsty]

Finally caught up.

in regards to raymond - he does look like the 'wanted' pic, the guy seen lurking around campes, i wonder if they have interviewed him yet?

 

[song22]

Wasn't the gas station video of her running after the pub video? I sense fear or at least some level of emotion when she is running by the gas station.

 

[necco]

The thing is, her path doesn't seem that erratic to me. It seems like she had some sort of purpose, like she was looking for someone or something. She did look a little stumbly in the footage at the bar, but when she was running, she looked fine. I'm wondering if she's one of those lanky kids who can play sports just fine but when they're just walking around, they don't quite known where their limbs end.

(I am not picking on her, I am frequently a victim of resistentialism aka the seemingly spiteful behavior of inanimate objects towards humans. I could easily stumble the way she did in that footage without having a drop to drink.)

 

[mirv22]

UVA students mostly go to the Corner, which is an area of restaurants, bars and shops near where Hannah lives. The Downtown Mall is about a mile or so away--easily walkable. There are also trolleys that take students there. She is also a second-year. It would be very strange if she were not familiar with the Downtown Mall as a second-year. However it would not be unusual if she weren't familiar with the Grady/Preston area, where McGrady's is located.

I think I have a theory about why people are assumings sorority involvement. Someone above in the topic used the term "sorority house party." Chief Longo mentioned house parties several times, but that is not necessarily a fraternity house or a sorority house. Most upper-class students at UVA live off-campus and many of them live in houses, 5 or 6 or 10 to a house, depending on size. Knowing the area, it could EASILY have been either Greek housing or just someone's house.

Students definitely know the downtown area, but they don't "party" down there. That is why it seems strange she was going down there so late at night. She should have generally known where she was though.

 

[song22]

I went to UVA and hung out downtown on the mall every weekend. But this was twenty years ago! It makes me sad to see another young woman gone missing in this area. Prayers for her family. I would also be very fearful of foul play at this point.

 

[Skigirl]

As someone with a horrible sense of direction, and who frequently walks around lost, even in places I know pretty well, I can say that when I'm lost, I get super-frustrated but I don't think of it as an emergency and it doesn't occur to me to stop into a local business and ask them to call me a cab. Maybe Hannah didn't really think she was in trouble and that although it was frustrating, she would get her bearings and everything would be OK? Maybe she thought the worst part about the whole situation was that it was annoying to be lost?

 

[Dixie811]

I know there are a lot of people uncomfortable with a lot of cameras being present and recording people. People do like their privacy.

But if I ever go missing I HOPE it is in an area like this with so many surveillance cams. Imagine how much less knowledge about Hannah's disappearance we would have right now without them. Just that she left a house party, and there was a sighting at the mall a while later that was unable to corroborated. I hope more footage will continue to be recovered and it will help solve this case.

 

[Ashley114]

Hi Sleuths. I've finally joined WS as a user. I lived in Charlottesville (temporarily) when Morgan disappeared and was later found, and also have spent time in Bloomington IN and so also have felt connected to Lauren S. Over time, I've read every post on here on Lauren, Morgan, and now Hannah. The second I heard about Hannah disappearing, I thought it had something to do with Morgan. Too many similarities.

While I don't have any brilliant ideas that have not been said, and it's been years since I've been in CVille, so not that familiar with the exact locations, I do want to join the discussion.

Some key points I've been especially drawn to and my conclusions -

If she was lost, and had her phone on her, she would have surely used a map app on the phone to regain her bearings.

I do feel like her outfit was especially unlike her on that night out, just based on the photos we've seen of her. Maybe marking some sort of special occasion, mindset she was in that night, etc.

Having been a college student in the last 10 years, and also belonging to a sorority, IMO I do not believe this is greek-life related.

On the same thought process, I personally do not believe it to be that odd that she would have been alone, and that her friends wouldn't have panicked. I feel like there were many nights out that I was out with one group of friends and went to try to meet up with someone else or another group of friends, and walked alone. Wouldn't have been that odd for a friend to not hear from me even until class on Monday.

As far as her path is concerned, I also do feel like there were many times I did not travel in direct routes to get somewhere quicker. I may not have even exactly known my route but knew which general direction I was heading in, so cut through businesses, parking lots, side streets, alleys, etc. Granted, I did not go to UVA, but another big school in a hilly area of the country.


Okay... so obviously not reaching major conclusions here. My head is spinning so much with all of the info, but I just wanted to join in.

Hoping so much that this story has a positive ending. Just really doubtful at this point.

 

[necco]

I know there are a lot of people uncomfortable with a lot of cameras being present and recording people. People do like their privacy.

But if I ever go missing I HOPE it is in an area like this with so many surveillance cams. Imagine how much less knowledge about Hannah's disappearance we would have right now without them. Just that she left a house party, and there was a sighting at the mall a while later that was unable to corroborated. I hope more footage will continue to be recovered and it will help solve this case.

Seriously. And I hope I'm wearing something as distinctive as she is wearing. I bet it has seriously helped get tips that she was wearing a metallic shirt.

If she was panicked or worried, why wouldn't she have said something to the bouncer or borrowed a phone through the fence at O'Grady's?

 

[song22]

As someone with a horrible sense of direction, and who frequently walks around lost, even in places I know pretty well, I can say that when I'm lost, I get super-frustrated but I don't think of it as an emergency and it doesn't occur to me to stop into a local business and ask them to call me a cab. Maybe Hannah didn't really think she was in trouble and that although it was frustrating, she would get her bearings and everything would be OK? Maybe she thought the worst part about the whole situation was that it was annoying to be lost?

If I was lost at 2AM and alone I would be totally freaking out! When I saw her running, I thought of myself at that age. I can imagine being kind of intoxicated and thinking it's no big deal to walk, it's not that late, it's a college town, there are people around etc etc... and then you start to pass areas that are pretty abandoned and creepy and it clicks in your brain that this is probably not the best idea. At that point I'd probably start running.

 

[TTF14]

Hi Sleuths. I've finally joined WS as a user. I lived in Charlottesville (temporarily) when Morgan disappeared and was later found, and also have spent time in Bloomington IN and so also have felt connected to Lauren S. Over time, I've read every post on here on Lauren, Morgan, and now Hannah. The second I heard about Hannah disappearing, I thought it had something to do with Morgan. Too many similarities.

While I don't have any brilliant ideas that have not been said, and it's been years since I've been in CVille, so not that familiar with the exact locations, I do want to join the discussion.

Some key points I've been especially drawn to and my conclusions -

If she was lost, and had her phone on her, she would have surely used a map app on the phone to regain her bearings.

I do feel like her outfit was especially unlike her on that night out, just based on the photos we've seen of her. Maybe marking some sort of special occasion, mindset she was in that night, etc.

Having been a college student in the last 10 years, and also belonging to a sorority, IMO I do not believe this is greek-life related.

On the same thought process, I personally do not believe it to be that odd that she would have been alone, and that her friends wouldn't have panicked. I feel like there were many nights out that I was out with one group of friends and went to try to meet up with someone else or another group of friends, and walked alone. Wouldn't have been that odd for a friend to not hear from me even until class on Monday.

As far as her path is concerned, I also do feel like there were many times I did not travel in direct routes to get somewhere quicker. I may not have even exactly known my route but knew which general direction I was heading in, so cut through businesses, parking lots, side streets, alleys, etc. Granted, I did not go to UVA, but another big school in a hilly area of the country.


Okay... so obviously not reaching major conclusions here. My head is spinning so much with all of the info, but I just wanted to join in.

Hoping so much that this story has a positive ending. Just really doubtful at this point.

Welcome to WS, Ashley . Thanks for sharing your perspective as a more recent college student than some of us!