VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #8

[birdbox]

Well, the WG's description had to have been deliberate. Either that or WG was lying, which I think is equally possible. I can't believe that someone who could spot a "distressed" female from some metres away could mistake a man with a big dreadlock hairdo (half-up?) for a man with a shaved head. He was walking right behind him for at least a couple of minutes.

Yes, this does not add up. WG was soooo concerned about a distressed female, he follows her, and manages to watch her interact with another man to the point that he feels satisfied that she is ok and in good hands with a friend or known person. He manages to absorb all of this info, and yet, mistake a guy with dreads with a shaved head? Huh...he might as well said the guy had red hair and was wearing a kilt with that logic. The whole point was that he was paying attention...those kind of people that are investigating something as he was don't get the description wrong.

 

[Claudette]

Question: What would everyone's position on this case be right now if LM came out and said, "Ok, I did give her a ride, but I dropped her off at the corner of blah, blah."

If you knew for a fact she did ride in the car, would that change your opinion? Would it matter? Remember Natalee Holloway...they saw her ride off in the car with Joran Vandersloot...but they never had anything to arrest him on. He said he left her at the beach. End of story....

If he did that NOW it wouldn't change my opinion.

 

[Lovepink]

I'm not an attorney, but we have a similar concept. That said, no one can be compelled to offer testimony that may incriminate him or herself and everyone has a right to legal representation.

Yep! And like Skigirl was saying this applies to incriminating yourself, not others. So if you have info about someone else, that would not include withholding it necessarily unless it was protected by some sort of privilege.

 

[msteach]

Because people don't really know their neighbors anymore, in many cases.

I'm not sure this has been touched on yet, but I've been wondering why the guy from the apartment building said that JM did not work or have a job. He seemed certain of this. This puzzles me since we know he held down a regular job at the hospital. Any thoughts?

 

[IMO]

I'm not sure this has been touched on yet, but I've been wondering why the guy from the apartment building said that JM did not work or have a job. He seemed certain of this. This puzzles me since we know he held down a regular job at the hospital. Any thoughts?

JM could have been doing shift work and the fellow apartment dweller saw him at home during 9-5 hours, then drew an incorrect conclusion.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Perhaps he already told the police what he knows. Now what?

The police did say that they talked to him and wanted to talk to him more. He could have told then they had a drink and went their separate ways, but without any further sign of her they are continuing to focus on him.

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[Carieldf]

I have to admit, I moved here about 4 months ago and I am still not watching the local news. Bad me lol.

He lives in Charlottesville and works at the hospital. There are UVA students there- I'm sure he passes all sort of signs and other things to get to work and I'm sure the local news is playing the hospital. If he was in a other part of Charlottesville maybe but he literally could not be any closer.

 

[Skigirl]

I'm not sure this has been touched on yet, but I've been wondering why the guy from the apartment building said that JM did not work or have a job. He seemed certain of this. This puzzles me since we know he held down a regular job at the hospital. Any thoughts?

Maybe he worked odd hours and was home when the the other person in the building was around? Now that I type it it sounds sort of ridiculous, though, since it would be a little like the pot calling the kettle black, i.e., "you are never at work when I'm not at work, therefore, you not must work, unlike me."

 

[Heroine]

LE has not released a lot of info they have, I'm sure. From what they have told us, JM was with Hannah, left a place with Hannah and is the last person they can place with her. Her trail goes cold (from what we know) after that point. If indeed a bar tender served JM and Hannah without checking IDs, that person could be in trouble, yes, but most people, given the seriousness of this situation would still report the sighting to the police. Perhaps, they granted immunity for that transgression. Also, many college students have fake ID.

The police had JM right within arm's reach twice. Once at his apartment when they searched and seized his car, and again when he walked into the police station armed with an attorney. They did not move to go after him either time. When he left, he apparently drove recklessly enough to get a warrent out for his arrest. Also, someone just figured out they could possibly go after him for giving alcohol to someone under age. There is no mention of arresting him for the disappearance of Hannah Graham.

Bear in mind that even if evidence of Hannah being in the car is found, what can they accuse JM for? No body? She could have been in the car, left the car and gone off with someone else. She could be alive right now with someone. It's happened before.

Frankly, it appears to me that JM left with Hannah who was "out of it" and they went somewhere in his car, and something bad happened. I would not be surprised if she were killed or injured badly and her body tossed off somewhere. But there is no evidence of that as of now.

I would advise any friends or family being questioned hostiley by police with evidence putting them in a bad way, to get an attorney skilled in this area and follow that attorney's advice. JM is an African American male under suspicioun about a white woman's disappearance in a southern state. Something that is not going make anyone who knows him feel comfortable about his predicament.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that JM told the attorney that he tried to pick up someone fitting Hannah's descrip that night and bought her a drink, maybe even took her to his car but that was it. Attorney might have advised him to keep mouth shut and stay away from Charlottesville until more development arises. I don't believe an attorney is permitted to keep quiet about possible or actual harm, so most guilty clients will lie about the actual crime, and the attorney will have to go by that.

As for LE, they don't have anything more than this, so they are focusing their attention on JM. Statistically, I think they are on the right track, but the way LE works, they go after whoever is in their sights with a vengeance until proven wrong. ANyone who has watched some of the ID real life crime shows can see how various police have doggedly gone after POI after POI, sure that the person was the perp until a piece of evidence comes up disproving their theory They tend to have trouble, as a rule, to focus on more than one thing at a time, IMO.

Still, it's usually the simplest thing that is what happened, and this looks pretty straight forward to me. That they did not have the wits to grab JM when they had him doesn't make me feel like they are the smartest cats in the field.

I agree with you, but let's not forget people have been convicted over circumstantial evidence too. IE: Randy Taylor. Although they had no body they had her DNA in his possession. So maybe they do have something we don't know about and they are trying to build a case around that. I feel they have something key to HG and this investigation otherwise how did they get search warrants?

 

[Eileen730]

Link please? I did not hear anything about anyone being seen getting into, out of car.

I read that also.
Cant remember how far back it was tho.
said they saw someone get in the car then out and then back in again.

 

[birdbox]

I'm not sure this has been touched on yet, but I've been wondering why the guy from the apartment building said that JM did not work or have a job. He seemed certain of this. This puzzles me since we know he held down a regular job at the hospital. Any thoughts?

I think he must have lived there for a while, and just never noticed the guy going and coming during normal working hours. Maybe the guy is in and out of employment, never one place long. Who knows? To me that was a way of saying he doesn't think too highly of this guy. Just my opinion.

 

[ClueingForLooks]

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[Athena12]

Link please? I did not hear anything about anyone being seen getting into, out of car.

I read that Longo talked about this at the first press conference.

 

[Lava]

He lives in Charlottesville and works at the hospital. There are UVA students there- I'm sure he passes all sort of signs and other things to get to work and I'm sure the local news is playing the hospital. If he was in a other part of Charlottesville maybe but he literally could not be any closer.

Recently an officer was killed in my small town here in SC. I work with people who worked with his partner, it was a huge story. I didn't hear about it for 4 days, and it was just blind luck that someone thought I knew about it.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

For those who think JM is guilty, what do you think transpired after Hannah got in the car (assuming she did)? Did she go willingly? Did she think he was driving her home? Did they both plan to go to his apartment first? What do you think happened there? What is your theory?

 

[Just K]

Has anyone blown up and sharpened the photos of his car released by LE?

In one of them there appears to a pile of stuff like clothes or blankets in the back. Or it could just be a reflection- I'm having a hard time telling.

THEORY>>>>>>>>>>
From the minute the first video was released tips about the guy, then known as dreadlocks, started rolling in. (IMO) We heard rumors immediately that the guy was a regular on the downtown mall. I suspect someone called to report that the dreadlock guy was packing up his car and possibly changed his appearance. It just seems logical the crazy false description came about soon after the video was released and the "Right now...considering...Cooperative Witness" WG came into PD to tell his story.

 

[Bella2006]

Sorry, everyone I had mentioned the hospitality house around the area as a place to inquire about. I did not realize until now that it is for hospital family and patients. Not a place for people to go if they are in need of shelter. We can skip that thought.

 

[Eileen730]

I agree with you, but let's not forget people have been convicted over circumstantial evidence too. IE: Randy Taylor. Although they had no body they had her DNA in his possession. So maybe they do have something we don't know about and they are trying to build a case around that. I feel they have something key to HG and this investigation otherwise how did they get search warrants?

Im thinking they have something also.
They sre probably waiting for the forensics results.

 

[FlamingoLady]

I'm not sure this has been touched on yet, but I've been wondering why the guy from the apartment building said that JM did not work or have a job. He seemed certain of this. This puzzles me since we know he held down a regular job at the hospital. Any thoughts?

I have a thought but that's all it is, nothing to back it up, didn't hear it anywhere, JUST A THOUGHT:
Maybe he works nights. He works at a hospital. His comings and goings would obviously be the opposite of anyone who works a regular dayshift. There's people on here who know him though so that would be a good question I'd think.

 

[Skigirl]

Keep in mind LE doesn't just focus on one person, one lead. If JM is innocent, him not talking to police isn't keeping them from focusing on other areas either.

One would hope!