VA - Jholie Moussa, 16, Fairfax County, 12 Jan 2018 *Arrest*

[AzPistonsGirl]

previously unreported but was reported now by whom, I wonder... and in what context? so many questions... LE is on it.

 

[always reading]

previously unreported but was reported now by whom, I wonder... and in what context? so many questions... LE is on it.

Maybe Zhane is now divulging secrets that she was holding in.

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[ang3lface816]

I hope my post is allowed (I don't post often), but if it's not, please remove mods.

Yes, I think Zhane provided information as well as texts/data they have recovered.

I bet if he was abusive, and her family did not want them to be together for that reason--- they did a lot of messaging on social media (to keep it off the phone records). There is probably written conversation between the two confirming the assault. Poor Jholie.

I suspected the ex had some ties to this. The leaving suddenly, the fact that the "stranger" knew her number by heart when he used the 13 year olds phone. The insistence that she would be "right back." Zhane may have known or discovered there had been contact after her parents disapproval, but it's possible she didn't realize the full extent either. A lot of battered women, hide things like that because they know their family disapproves of them "taking" the guy back. Or she could have known all along that the relationship wasn't over but didn't want to out her sister and just hoping for the best.

 

[alexwood]

I hope my post is allowed (I don't post often), but if it's not, please remove mods.

Yes, I think Zhane provided information as well as texts/data they have recovered.

I bet if he was abusive, and her family did not want them to be together for that reason--- they did a lot of messaging on social media (to keep it off the phone records). There is probably written conversation between the two confirming the assault. Poor Jholie.

I suspected the ex had some ties to this. The leaving suddenly, the fact that the "stranger" knew her number by heart when he used the 13 year olds phone. The insistence that she would be "right back." Zhane may have none there had been contact after her parents disapproval, but it's possible she didn't realize the full extent either. A lot of battered women, hide things like that because they know their family disapproves of them "taking" the guy back.

I know my memory is bad, but with "contacts" and "recent calls" doing the remembering when you call someone with your cell phone, I am hard pressed to be able to recite a number from memory. So, this stood out to me, too. The fact that a stranger, or someone she had only met recently, could use a phone that didn't have her number already, and key it in from memory, did seem rather unusual to me.

Zhane said that Jholie had been very distracted after school, so she knew something was up with Jholie, but probably didn't know exactly what.

 

[Henry2326]

Appears LE was further along than most gave them credit. As expected, continues to turn local and intimate.

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[Russian Blue]

I sat on my hands, not wanting to posit the idea that the man who borrowed the phone was made up to begin with... What a mess, and so very sad, regardless.

This is just hypothetically: if the boy made up the man who borrowed the phone, then are we to believe there was no call at all? Then if that is true, are we to believe the father made up that JM's phone received a call from that number on her phone? And the father does tell us this story to the reporter on Facebook.
This is getting very confusing.

 

[KeepCalm]

This is just hypothetically: if the boy made up the man who borrowed the phone, then are we to believe there was no call at all? Then if that is true, are we to believe the father made up that JM's phone received a call from that number on her phone? And the father does tell us this story to the reporter on Facebook.
This is getting very confusing.

My own theory, besides the perp pretending to be a 12/13-year-old boy himself, is that the 12/13-year-old was a family member of the perp who was warned to tell the story about a stranger borrowing the phone and making a call.

 

[Irishboy]

This is just hypothetically: if the boy made up the man who borrowed the phone, then are we to believe there was no call at all? Then if that is true, are we to believe the father made up that JM's phone received a call from that number on her phone? And the father does tell us this story to the reporter on Facebook.
This is getting very confusing.

There was a call according to the dad who traced through the phone records. I've done that. If dad made that up LE would be all over tty hat

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[Steleheart]

I haven't seen the print version of the Fairfax County PD update...

UPDATE: Person of Interest Identified in Death of Jholie Moussa; In Custody for Separate Felony Assault

Detectives conducting interviews during the search for Jholie learned of a previously unreported crime in which she was the victim. The person in custody has been charged with felony assault. He has not been charged in her death and is not being named due to his age.

With the Washington Field Office of the FBI involved my first instinct was the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force because it involved her snapchatting just prior and they have the best technology for uncovering "hidden" electronic footprints. Which is in line with my original theory I kept quiet with - local and another teen possibly older but not much.

So looks like it now.

Al JMO

 

[margarita25]

Yep....but feels like:
Meeting a man that family won't approve or
Meeting a man that is married or
Meeting a man who has criminal ties or
Meeting a man that makes her feel grown-up, or dangerous, or
She thinks she is in love

You get the picture...

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Seems you were on the right track, with a man she was involved with, Henry the Forensic Psychology Doctorate student.

Glad they have someone in custody.

 

[Irishboy]

Getting less clear on the value of the call to her phone from the park (guy borrowed phone) since she was already out of the house for some reason at that point (be right back). Unless the call was to confirm she was on her way. Only report is that a call was placed to her phone, not if it was answered. The call duration in the logs would answer that.

 

[2Hope4]

Was the park she was found in the same park the boy with the phone was? If so, it's possible HER phone was tossed, maybe by her, and the perp was calling her phone to see if it rang??

 

[Sleuthin' n TX]

Was the park she was found in the same park the boy with the phone was? If so, it's possible HER phone was tossed, maybe by her, and the perp was calling her phone to see if it rang??

Exactly right.

 

[hopekiser1219]

I know my memory is bad, but with "contacts" and "recent calls" doing the remembering when you call someone with your cell phone, I am hard pressed to be able to recite a number from memory. So, this stood out to me, too. The fact that a stranger, or someone she had only met recently, could use a phone that didn't have her number already, and key it in from memory, did seem rather unusual to me.

Zhane said that Jholie had been very distracted after school, so she knew something was up with Jholie, but probably didn't know exactly what.

How do we know that he didn't look at a paper or his own phone to call her


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[Henry2326]

Getting less clear on the value of the call to her phone from the park (guy borrowed phone) since she was already out of the house for some reason at that point (be right back). Unless the call was to confirm she was on her way. Only report is that a call was placed to her phone, not if it was answered. The call duration in the logs would answer that.

Maybe she was supposed to meet him on the corner, but there were too many people around. So he moved down the street to the park. A neighbor saw her on the corner as if she was waiting on someone.

Possibly a lot of neighbors knew of this boy and his violence and he didn't want the family to know he was meeting her.

She clearly was not afraid of him. Crimes of passion are typically not planned, impulsive, and filled with rage. Waiting on COD...

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[Henry2326]

Was the park she was found in the same park the boy with the phone was? If so, it's possible HER phone was tossed, maybe by her, and the perp was calling her phone to see if it rang??

Basketball court (boy) next to tennis court (she was found).

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[Henry2326]

Seems you were on the right track, with a man she was involved with, Henry the Forensic Psychology Doctorate student.

Glad they have someone in custody.

I'm glad they have him too. This wasn't a tough one for LE once they had knowledge of the domestic violence. They do have to build a case. The public and family hindered the case more than helped.

I hold my opinion that she was gone within the hour of meeting this guy.
COD will tell us a lot.

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[Steleheart]

Maybe she was supposed to meet him on the corner, but there were too many people around. So he moved down the street to the park. A neighbor saw her on the corner as if she was waiting on someone.

Possibly a lot of neighbors knew of this boy and his violence and he didn't want the family to know he was meeting her.

She clearly was not afraid of him. Crimes of passion are typically not planned, impulsive, and filled with rage. Waiting on COD...

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Agree completely. She was likely secretly snapchatting with him even to the point of not telling her sister? OY.
Somehow he lured her out to come down the corner then called her to tell her he was at the park .

Victims of this kind of abuser fall for the " I'm so so sorry and I love you routine."

JMO

 

[Gussified]

My own theory, besides the perp pretending to be a 12/13-year-old boy himself, is that the 12/13-year-old was a family member of the perp who was warned to tell the story about a stranger borrowing the phone and making a call.

That’s been my theory, too. (12yo boy was covering for the guy who borrowed his phone.) But he was pretty credible in the interview posted earlier. I wish the reporter had asked him a couple more questions: (1) Did you know the guy who borrowed your phone, and (2) Did you hear him having a conversation with someone or the phone?

 

[alexwood]

How do we know that he didn't look at a paper or his own phone to call her


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That's a possibility. But I think the kid who lent him the phone would have mentioned that he had to look up her number, or consult a piece of paper where it was written, before he made the call.

But, if the perp is her ex-boyfriend, I can see how he wouldn't need to look up her number.

Also, I am curious to know if his own phone pinged in the area of where he borrowed the phone. (This is all assuming it is the ex-boyfriend who murdered Jholie.) In other words, did he have his own cell phone with him at the time he borrowed the basketball playing boy's phone?