VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #13

[Warwick7]

Let's hear it again shall we?!

"Anchor - "This is a person who is delusional and that is just offensive to the entire court process, and all those jurors who gave up their time to weigh in on whether Amber Heard lied. They found she did, and with malice, and still this 'wannabe' movie star seems completely unaware that she has lost...and we are all tired of hearing about this case."

 

[squareandrabbet]

I watched this earlier today and it's really good, and answers a few of the questions I've seen here today:

Thank you! I can’t wait to watch it… this has been one of the most illuminating aspects of the coverage to date, methinks.

Also from one of the clips i saw yesterday, she seems to spend about 10 percent of this interview, speaking with one side of her mouth kilted up in a 45-degree angle sneer; and ain’t nothing gonna help her, with that kind of betraying body language…

 

[acutename]

Dbm

possibly "time constraints" since each side only had allotted days/minutes for testimony? I keep thinking that AH and her attys, since they won in UK, were more focused on damages than AH's on credibility but that was important to the jury.

I can't answer that, but I've heard here and there that the workaround is to pay for licensing for candid pics, and to cover travel, food and lodging expenses, etc. So basically, paying for the interview without "legally" paying for the interview.

I just wish I could call EB right now.

ring... ring...

EB: hello?
Me: hi Elaine, it's me, curious rando, just wondering if I could ask something about your last case?
EB: sure, but you're probably only looking for 15 minutes of fame
Me: only if it comes with a mega pint and a stuffed alpaca, but that's not important right now.
I am wondering if, after losing a defamation case because the jury found your client to be a liar, if you'd advise your client to sit down with an internationally televised interview, where she comes right out, naming names, and calls Johnny a liar, and doubles down on her claims that the jury already decided were lies? I'm no lawyer but Elaine, isn't that even more damning (to her) as defamation, since this time she's actually naming him, instead of just making implications like in her trash bag op-ed?
EB: objection, heresay! **click**

I did see online that SAG members are required at least to be paid a minimum hourly fee for TV appearances.

I did read up on defamation

Defamation of Character: Libel and Slander Law in Virginia — The Virginia Defamation Law Blog — February 10, 2013

Under Virginia law, the necessary elements of the tort of defamation (which includes both libel and slander) are usually expressed as (1) a publication — February 10, 2013

www.virginiadefamationlawyer.com

(law blog from 2013 w/respect to VA law at lest then....no endorsement of the author, BTW)

and you notice that AH says in the interview that she has no bad feelings about JH.

Amber Heard on Johnny Depp: 'Absolutely. I Love Him'​

https://www.newsweek.com › ... › Feud › Interview



2 days ago — Amber Heard has said she "absolutely" still loves Johnny Depp, ... down with Today's Savannah Guthrie for her first post-trial interview, ...

Defamation is supposed to include knowledge that your statements are false and malice. AH obvi thinks she is right no matter what... is she trying to show "no malice?'
and thereby protect herself? maybe I am overthinking her at this point.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Thank you! I can’t wait to watch it… this has been one of the most illuminating aspects of the coverage to date, methinks.

Also from one of the clips i saw yesterday, she seems to spend about 10 percent of this interview, speaking with one side of her mouth kilted up in a 45-degree angle sneer; and ain’t nothing gonna help her, with that kind of betraying body language…

He addresses the nasty little smirk. Spoiler alert: for all of us who said "she can't help it, it's who she is" we were (sort of) right. Now you'll have to watch to see what I mean by that.

 

[Brooke]

The appeal has to be from the trial. So this interview wont help or hurt her for it .Maybe her revenge on JD. Or trying to get his attention. She just cant let him go. This has to of killed whatever career she may have had left. jmo.

Absolutely it does.

Since the verdict, there's been the repeated mention of 'mountains of evidence that wasn't allowed in' by AH and her attorney EB, implying that if only it had been allowed, the verdict would have been different. Well whaddya know, suddenly there are therapist notes not introduced at trial that are produced and given to Savannah Guthrie, which are then shown in part on national television. They're publicly introducing NEW evidence instead of arguing at the appellate level that it should have been allowed in.

Why would they do that if they were planning to petition the appellate court on the issue of evidence improperly denied (and possibly other) issue(s)? Releasing those notes 'out in the wild' is a huge disrespect to the appellate judges, not to mention Judge Azcarate. They're usurping judiciary discretion regarding admittance of evidence. "We know better than you. This should have been allowed, so we're going to release it." IF they were certain they had an appealable case they'd keep their heads down and mouths shut and go through the court.

Which brings me back to my hunch that the money may have run out. We shall see soon enough.

Just the opinion of an average rando.

 

[Cindizzi]

As for the therapist notes, EB named her and even quoted her in her opening statement on first day of trial.

Wonder why they didn’t call her.

What we've learned in the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial

While Depp's lawyers argued that Heard 'cast Mr. Depp as a villain,' her lawyers say she was physically and verbally abused by Depp

nationalpost.com

Elaine Bredehoft, another one of Heard’s attorney’s, said that evidence would show that Heard was physically and verbally abused by Depp. She said that Heard wanted to protect Depp and that she didn’t want his children or the public to know about the abuse. However, Heard did confide in her therapist, Bonnie Jacobs, who has notes dating back to 2011.

“(Jacobs) chronicles the first time that Amber tells her that Johnny hit her,” said Bredehoft. “And it goes through into 2012, 2013 and 2014, and you will see and you will hear from Bonnie Jacobs her saying, ‘This is a cycle of violence. This is a cycle of abuse. You can’t enable him. You need to stand up for yourself.'”

 

[neesaki]

ETA: I thought I quoted someone asking about her twitchiness--don't know what happened and can't find it now!!

It makes me wonder if she is on some kind of adrenaline rush, which can cause some twitchiness. Just for reference, this video is one of several made by an admitted narcissist.

Even though she wasn't diagnosed with NPD, she was diagnosed with disorders that fall within the same cluster B "family".

​

Cluster B personality disorders​

Cluster B personality disorders are characterized by dramatic, overly emotional or unpredictable thinking or behavior. They include antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder.
Personality disorders - Symptoms and causes.

The video of the four body language guys posted earlier focused on the facial twitchiness quite a bit, one describing it as almost a “tic”. The left (her left) side of her mouth repeatedly goes up in a snarl like movement. It’s really odd and almost uncomfortable to watch .

 

[acutename]

Absolutely it does.

Since the verdict, there's been the repeated mention of 'mountains of evidence that wasn't allowed in' by AH and her attorney EB, implying that if only it had been allowed, the verdict would have been different. Well whaddya know, suddenly there are therapist notes not introduced at trial that are produced and given to Savannah Guthrie, which are then shown in part on national television. They're publicly introducing NEW evidence instead of arguing at the appellate level that it should have been allowed in.

Why would they do that if they were planning to petition the appellate court on the issue of evidence improperly denied (and possibly other) issue(s)? Releasing those notes 'out in the wild' is a huge disrespect to the appellate judges, not to mention Judge Azcarate. They're usurping judiciary discretion regarding admittance of evidence. "We know better than you. This should have been allowed, so we're going to release it." IF they were certain they had an appealable case they'd keep their heads down and mouths shut and go through the court.

Which brings me back to my hunch that the money may have run out. We shall see soon enough.

Just the opinion of an average rando.

not sure how they would get around the hearsay situation for those notes.... seems, IMO, if the therapist would have been a good witness, s/he would have been called at trial?

 

[neesaki]

Thank you! I can’t wait to watch it… this has been one of the most illuminating aspects of the coverage to date, methinks.

Also from one of the clips i saw yesterday, she seems to spend about 10 percent of this interview, speaking with one side of her mouth kilted up in a 45-degree angle sneer; and ain’t nothing gonna help her, with that kind of betraying body language…

That’s right. The one the one BL expert called a “tic”. I tried to do it and can’t do it even if I try, lol.
BTW, could she still possibly be on an antipsychotic med, and it be predisposing her to the what appear to be uncontrollable facial movements?
That is if I’m recalling that correctly… she was reportedly on one at one time, right?

 

[raja]

It is possible that AH thinks that the doctor patient confidentiality rules apply here. She may have handwritten the typed therapist notes leaving out any portions that showed her in bad light. If JD acted in any way as suggested in the notes it may well have been in reaction to her. Getting her off of him if she was physical. She may think her therapist can not come out to disagree with her. Just an idea and IMO.

 

[they'll get you]

I wonder just how empathetic and forgiving JD is of AH right now.

It‘s a dangerous phase for him.

 

[nao]

Moo..my therapists notes were nothing like a story. Notes were of my reactions of situations. So you are in a violent relationship why would a therapist tell you stand up for yourself.. fight back?? Somebody is going to get killed with that advice. Therapy is about you and only you, not a blame game. You cannot change someone else only yourself. Moo

 

[Warwick7]

I watched this earlier today and it's really good, and answers a few of the questions I've seen here today:

Love the "contempt" comment.
Yes, when she turns up the lip she has contempt for the "subject" she is talking about.
Pure contempt...

 

[Ricki]

Bam!!

Best post ever!!! Bam!!!

IMoo..my therapists notes were nothing like a story. Notes were of my reactions of situations. So you are in a violent relationship why would a therapist tell you stand up for yourself.. fight back?? Somebody is going to get killed with that advice. Therapy is about you and only you, not a blame game. You cannot change someone else only yourself. Moo

I go to a therapist. Lots of people do these days. They are there to help you work through whatever it is that may be bothering you. I do not believe they tell you what you should do at least mine doesn't. I believe they help a person come make their own healthy decisions and changes through asking questions.
I agree with nao. A good therapist would not tell one to fight back.

 

[Kiranerys]

Love the "contempt" comment.
Yes, when she turns up the lip she has contempt for the "subject" she is talking about.
Pure contempt...

Yes,I'm so glad he explained it so well and drew attention to it. She did it a lot when she was listening to the negative testimony, especially Rando#1 and Rando#2

 

[Love Never Fails]

LE does not go looking for 4,5,6, 10 yr old cases in which no one filed a complaint, IMO.

it would be ironic if she gets $ for this to pay JH his judgment.... does the Today Show pay guests?

They pay in other ways besides cash to the interviewee. It’s possible they are helping pay attorneys fees, paying for lodging at her new home, etc.

 

[Love Never Fails]

On “The Thing About Pam” podcast, Keith Morrison states that Dateline, at minimum, unequivocally does not pay guests just to show up and interview; and I believe him.

with respect to Casey Anthony, the Anthony’s were paid for the rights to exclusive photos of Caylee and other unique information, IIRC; which is not the same thing as being paid to appear solely to vomit out verbal bile.

Did Amber thus rook money out of Dateline for her fake therapy notes? Maybe.

If so, I’m sure she’s giddy about it because more fool them; but even that’s not even soothing her little rageball self, as her statement taunting JD tells us.

All the photos they post of Amber and her daughter, for instance, likely cost NBC $500,000. That sure helps pay her judgment of 2 million to Johnny. Just four network interviews would take care of it. It is true they can’t write a check directly to Amber so they do it in other ways. Her attorneys know this and I’m quite sure they or her PR firm negotiated with NBC.

 

[concernedmother]

I suppose after it airs on dateline we will hear a lot more. Maybe even from JD team. Regardless, AH cant help herself. She is not done yet. She will be publicly stirring up all the trouble she can. jmo.

 

[MimosaMornings]

As for the therapist notes, EB named her and even quoted her in her opening statement on first day of trial.

Wonder why they didn’t call her.

What we've learned in the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial

While Depp's lawyers argued that Heard 'cast Mr. Depp as a villain,' her lawyers say she was physically and verbally abused by Depp

nationalpost.com

Elaine Bredehoft, another one of Heard’s attorney’s, said that evidence would show that Heard was physically and verbally abused by Depp. She said that Heard wanted to protect Depp and that she didn’t want his children or the public to know about the abuse. However, Heard did confide in her therapist, Bonnie Jacobs, who has notes dating back to 2011.

“(Jacobs) chronicles the first time that Amber tells her that Johnny hit her,” said Bredehoft. “And it goes through into 2012, 2013 and 2014, and you will see and you will hear from Bonnie Jacobs her saying, ‘This is a cycle of violence. This is a cycle of abuse. You can’t enable him. You need to stand up for yourself.'”

Does the therapist have in her notes where she observed the evidence of physical abuse during any of these sessions?

Did Amber call her therapist during any of their arguments? So she could hear what was going on?

My cousin has requested a zoom session when things are spiraling out of control and needed help.

The therapist has not personally witnessed anything would be my guess on why she wasn’t called to testify. It would be like calling a friend and saying, “Hey, remember all those texts I sent you when I told you my bf was being mean? Can you testify in court he was abusive?”
JMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

Amber Heard challenges Johnny Depp to do his own TV interview

The 36-year-old actress issued a bold ultimatum to her ex-husband via a spokesperson on Friday, hours before her explosive sit-down with Savannah Guthrie is due to air in full on Dateline.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Amber Heard has challenged her ex-husband Johnny Depp to do his own TV interview 'if he has a problem' with her repeating her defamatory allegations that he beat her during an explosive sit-down with NBC's Dateline

'If Mr. Depp or his team have a problem with this, we recommend that Johnny himself sit down with Savannah Guthrie for an hour and answer all her questions,' a spokesperson told DailyMail.com after a series of clips from the interview were aired on Today and on Peacock in which Heard branded Depp, 59, a 'liar' and doubled down on claims that he beat her and sexually assaulted her during their relationship.

This is the long distance relationship version of Amber following Johnny from room to room or not letting him leave until SHE is done arguing. Badgering, harassing, controlling. It's 6 freaking years later and she's still doing it. She can't stalk him from room to room anymore so now she's using the press to do it.

Can you imagine having to live in the same house with this person?? The constant harassment would send me off the deep end.

I wonder when Johnny's legal team is going to step in and file an injunction to stop the ongoing harassment and defamation? Monday when the court opens, I hope. IMO