VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #4

[rebelchild]

Yes, I'm following it. I also followed in daily depth the earlier libel case trial to its (imo) inconclusive conclusion. I'm seeing nothing here in this current defamation trial that has made me change my opinion about either Depp or Heard.

As I said above, I don't believe either one of them can be regarded as reliable witnesses here because both were so deep in 'dysfunction' during their relationship.

I don't understand how anyone can pick a side here.

The only emotion I have is sadness that someone as talented and as gifted as Depp has reduced himself to this.

Thank you for explaining! I did not follow the earlier libel case and really knew nothing about this one until a few weeks ago when I happened to see it on here. Since then I have taken an interest in reading as much as possible and watching the trial.

So far what I have watched and read leaves me leaning a lot further to JD's side then AH's .. however, I've also been witness to a BPD/HD person that done lots of damage to someone I love. So maybe it's just easy for me to see right through her lies. IMO

Its definitely sad to see someone as gifted as JD get mixed up in this type of relationship. I agree with that! All I can say is that this type of person is darn good at what they do and it's very hard to get away from them without some serious damage.

I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the trial!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I read someone,somewhere,saying that you can tell when she is lying (no,not because her lips are moving ) because she talks and talks,so many details, but when she is recounting an actual truth she is short and to the point and I think this is very true.

I agree with this point - details of necessary things would be one issue but she mentions details that are absolutely meaningless.

In the trailer park assault 'my dog stepped on a bee' story, she states the trailer manager attended and 'he was wearing a black mesh vest, I mean tank top...'. Right. Hmm. And what?
She did not describe the manager in any other way whatsoever so we know nothing of him. The 'black mesh vest, tank top' had no part or relevance in the story and was not mentioned again. So, why did we need to know of this one clothing item? Did she imagine it makes her sound genuine? It doesn't. In fact it comes off as utterly disingenuous and fake

 

[Moon1871]

I believe someone can be completely dysfunctional and a drug addicted alcoholic without being an abuser.

No doubt in my mind JD abused drugs. Maybe he even went on benders lasting for days but that is a far cry from beating someone repeatedly.

I also believe you can be completely dysfunctional, a drug addict and alcoholic but still don't deserve to be physically and emotionally abused. I believe AH abused him and despite his lifestyle choices, he didn't deserve it or the loss of his reputation.

It’s clear to see that JD isn’t particularly thrilled to be here.
The divorce was done, the settlement paid, the joint statement issued. Yet a certain “public figure representing domestic abuse” found it necessary to reopen the wounds. There was no need to do that.

 

[steff13]

What truth though? He and Heard are unreliable witnesses.

I don't agree he's an unreliable witness. I've been reading the docs from the UK trial, and his story has not waivered from then to now, and further, the statements from the other individuals and witnesses haven't changed. Not true of AH, her story has changed from then to now in several aspects. What the saying, the truth doesn't change?

 

[steff13]

It’s clear to see that JD isn’t particularly thrilled to be here.
The divorce was done, the settlement paid, the joint statement issued. Yet a certain “public figure representing domestic abuse” found it necessary to reopen the wounds. There was no need to do that.

Right. I'm sure he'd be happy if the divorce had just ended and they'd gone their separate ways. But she wouldn't let that happen. My personal opinion is because she needed JD to give her a leg up in Hollywood, and when the marriage was over she no longer had that. She had to get her name out there somehow.

 

[neesaki]

‘Dirty Dancing’ star Jennifer Grey says Johnny Depp, Amber Heard’s defamation trial makes her 'insanely sad'

The "Dirty Dancing" actress previously dated Johnny Depp after her breakup with "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" co-star Matthew Broderick.

www.foxnews.com

 

[PatLaurel]

I don't agree he's an unreliable witness. I've been reading the docs from the UK trial, and his story has not waivered from then to now, and further, the statements from the other individuals and witnesses haven't changed. Not true of AH, her story has changed from then to now in several aspects. What the saying, the truth doesn't change?

The truth doesn't change and AH can't even keep track of her own lies... things will get out of hand during cross examination. I can foresee it. MOO JMO

"Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive". Sir Walter Scott 1808

 

[shotgun09]

I went back and re-watched the trial, when AH was testifying. Specifically, to find the part about the " My dog stepped on a bee".
My goodness! She really did say that!!....and she really did contort her face in a most unflattering grimace/ facial gesture.!!! I was gobsmacked! WHO told her to act out how her dog might have felt stepping on a bee? Was she coached at all for this part of her testimony? Or, did she sneak this part in herself? Was that supposed to be PTSD actions/symptoms for Canines? Or was that a sympathetic PTSD act/ display for her dog? It really was a hysterically sad display of poor or over-acting, IMO.
Seriously....
I wonder if the jury will be able to forget that part of her testimony. Shiver me timbres!

 

[PatLaurel]

‘Dirty Dancing’ star Jennifer Grey says Johnny Depp, Amber Heard’s defamation trial makes her 'insanely sad'

The "Dirty Dancing" actress previously dated Johnny Depp after her breakup with "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" co-star Matthew Broderick.

www.foxnews.com

"(...)crazy jealous and paranoid." But not physically abusive! In 58 years, AH is the only person to make that claim...

MOO JMO

 

[Kavya01]

I have this dread that AH 's legal team is spending this whole week in long daily sessions rehearsing and drilling her in how to survive cross credibly.

Then I remind myself that the fragility of the BPD/HD ego will perhaps manage to do so for the first hour or maybe 2.... -- but that very likely, cracks will start to show soon enough.

 

[Leve]

I went back and re-watched the trial, when AH was testifying. Specifically, to find the part about the " My dog stepped on a bee".
My goodness! She really did say that!!....and she really did contort her face in a most unflattering grimace/ facial gesture.!!! I was gobsmacked! WHO told her to act out how her dog might have felt stepping on a bee? Was she coached at all for this part of her testimony? Or, did she sneak this part in herself? Was that supposed to be PTSD actions/symptoms for Canines? Or was that a sympathetic PTSD act/ display for her dog? It really was a hysterically sad display of poor or over-acting, IMO.
Seriously....
I wonder if the jury will be able to forget that part of her testimony. Shiver me timbres!

There is a hilarious tiktok on it.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I went back and re-watched the trial, when AH was testifying. Specifically, to find the part about the " My dog stepped on a bee".
My goodness! She really did say that!!....and she really did contort her face in a most unflattering grimace/ facial gesture.!!! I was gobsmacked! WHO told her to act out how her dog might have felt stepping on a bee? Was she coached at all for this part of her testimony? Or, did she sneak this part in herself? Was that supposed to be PTSD actions/symptoms for Canines? Or was that a sympathetic PTSD act/ display for her dog? It really was a hysterically sad display of poor or over-acting, IMO.
Seriously....
I wonder if the jury will be able to forget that part of her testimony. Shiver me timbres!

My estimation is this is what you get from someone who is both BPD and Histrionic (as the nice lady with the Muffin Man husband diagnosed) -and- young with no perspective on life - and - an actor who will have attended endless acting method classes (whoever she trained with, they should do best by not mentioning Amber on their client list). Oh, yup, and best of all, someone who is lying but thinks they don't look like they are if they pull strange faces...

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I have this dread that AH 's legal team is spending this whole week in long daily sessions rehearsing and drilling her in how to survive cross credibly.

Then I remind myself that the fragility of the BPD/HD ego will perhaps manage to do so for the first hour or maybe 2.... -- but that very likely, cracks will start to show soon enough.

That'll be time wasted then! I hope they get paid nicely. Maybe she's hired performance coaches?

 

[fred&edna]

AH's testimony was so overwhelmingly full of nonsensical details, elaborations on useless info, and over-dramatized facial expressions it ALMOST seems as if she was hoping everyone would focus on all of that INSTEAD of the details of her claims of physical/sexual abuse. If true... is it because of a lack of substance in the claims?

eta: jmo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

AH's testimony was so overwhelmingly full of nonsensical details, elaborations on useless info, and over-dramatized facial expressions it ALMOST seems as if she was hoping everyone would focus on all of that INSTEAD of the details of her claims of physical/sexual abuse.

Indeed. I've started to wonder if this case is even real? Seriously. Is the whole thing rigged?

There's been zero evidence against JD submitted. Shouldn't there have just accidentally been some? Even the crazy bloody finger / paint writing... wouldn't he have written just one thing that could be construed as offensive, attacking, menacing? I'm pretty sure if I was in that state, I'd have written some hateful stuff. Instead we get to see 'take care at the top' scrawled on a lampshade.

Also her assault claim, every word of it, as someone posted earlier was 'it seemed like', 'it felt as if', statements. I'm waiting for her to say it was all a bad trip or a dream. Also even when she said she looked up at his face but all she could see was dark and there was no-one there - well, yes, literally, there was no-one there is what I would argue in defence.

I have had to make statements against perpetrators and they have to be worded very particular, 'he hit me with a closed fist using his right arm whilst he was standing directly in front of me facing me' type thing. Not 'I felt as if I was being hit and it seemed like a pressing on my face but when I looked to see who did it, it was all dark, there was no one there...' IMAGINE.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

So I have been digging further through the submitted photo evidence.

Def167A-CL20192911-050422

Defense exhibit #167A is the infamous drug table where JD apparently lined up 4 lines of coke for himself during a binge, then just left in the morning, breakfast table nice and neat.

I have confirmed the edition of the LA Times which is lying on the table. It is dated 22 March 2013.

Newspaper Los Angeles Times (USA). Newspapers in USA. Friday's edition, March 22 of 2013. Kiosko.net

What I can't fathom is that this was taken by AH when she was just JD's girlfriend. She wasn't even his fiancé or wife yet!!!

To me this seems mighty suspicious that she was already building a case, as it were. It feels like a set up. I think her intentions were always to gather dirt to blackmail a tidy sum out of him if/when things fell apart. But, wow, to do it early in the relationship speaks to premeditation. MOO

What's also interesting is that there is another version of this photo floating around, which, strangely enough, doesn't have the "Property of JD" box on the table. So...it was placed there during the photo shoot. But by whom?

https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/07/200708-johnny-depp-photos-index.jpg

Pics of Johnny Depp’s alleged drug bender surface in court

Something else I would like to point out: zoom in on the signature on the back of that driver's license. Then go look for JD and AH signatures online. The result will surprise you.

Interesting that the tabloids got access to much better quality versions of these pictures than the trial itself. Hmmm...that metadata issue cropping up again.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I read someone,somewhere,saying that you can tell when she is lying (no,not because her lips are moving ) because she talks and talks,so many details, but when she is recounting an actual truth she is short and to the point and I think this is very true.

One of the body language experts on CourtTV said the balance in her stories are all wrong:

A truthful incident retelling involves 3 parts: lead-in; actual events; lead-out.

AH is spending a whopping 60 percent of her sagas on lead-in/setting the scene; then rushing through the actual events in 20 percent, which the body language expert said is about congruent with the pacing of Jussie Smollett. The expected division of these in truthful retellings, is closer to an equal 33.3/33.3/33.3.

 

[squareandrabbet]

In the trailer park assault 'my dog stepped on a bee' story, she states the trailer manager attended and 'he was wearing a black mesh vest, I mean tank top...'. Right. Hmm. And what?
She did not describe the manager in any other way whatsoever so we know nothing of him. The 'black mesh vest, tank top' had no part or relevance in the story and was not mentioned again. So, why did we need to know of this one clothing item? Did she imagine it makes her sound genuine? It doesn't. In fact it comes off as utterly disingenuous and fake

The seedy, louche BDSM trailer park manager, I guess … I think part of it is she’s trying to make this all sound like an out of body experience, like she recalls things in ‘flashes’ and ‘strobes’ like some kind of, well, cinematic distress.

I have this dread that AH 's legal team is spending this whole week in long daily sessions rehearsing and drilling her in how to survive cross credibly.

Then I remind myself that the fragility of the BPD/HD ego will perhaps manage to do so for the first hour or maybe 2.... -- but that very likely, cracks will start to show soon enough.

I read the UK witness statement of the poor beleaguered Kevin Murphy of JD opening statement (“please speak to him respectfully”), wherein he says about the infamous Australian dog smuggling incident, saying that any time Murphy tried to talk to AH about how it’s impossible to get the dogs prepped in time to fly with her to Australia, ‘her eyes would glaze over and she would walk away’, so I’m hoping you’re right she won’t have the attention span. She probably waves her hand and says ‘it’s OK, I got it’; and her team is left weakly saying, er, no, “you don’t got it”…

Indeed. I've started to wonder if this case is even real? Seriously. Is the whole thing rigged?

There's been zero evidence against JD submitted. Shouldn't there have just accidentally been some? Even the crazy bloody finger / paint writing... wouldn't he have written just one thing that could be construed as offensive, attacking, menacing? I'm pretty sure if I was in that state, I'd have written some hateful stuff. Instead we get to see 'take care at the top' scrawled on a lampshade.

Also her assault claim, every word of it, as someone posted earlier was 'it seemed like', 'it felt as if', statements. I'm waiting for her to say it was all a bad trip or a dream. Also even when she said she looked up at his face but all she could see was dark and there was no-one there - well, yes, literally, there was no-one there is what I would argue in defence.

I have had to make statements against perpetrators and they have to be worded very particular, 'he hit me with a closed fist using his right arm whilst he was standing directly in front of me facing me' type thing. Not 'I felt as if I was being hit and it seemed like a pressing on my face but when I looked to see who did it, it was all dark, there was no one there...' IMAGINE.

Someone theorized that her stupid weasel word terms, ‘seemed like’, ‘felt as if’, might have been designed to keep her from catching a perjury charge.

I think it’s equally likely she did and said it because, again, this is her idea of what is plausible for all trauma victims; go into a ‘fugue’ state. Said ‘fugue’ is then employed over and over ad nauseam to get her out of any spot; doesn’t even have to be that tight or contradictory, she just knows she needs a loophole and she likes this one.

 

[khaki]

So I have been digging further through the submitted photo evidence.

Def167A-CL20192911-050422

Defense exhibit #167A is the infamous drug table where JD apparently lined up 4 lines of coke for himself during a binge, then just left in the morning, breakfast table nice and neat.

I have confirmed the edition of the LA Times which is lying on the table. It is dated 22 March 2013.

Newspaper Los Angeles Times (USA). Newspapers in USA. Friday's edition, March 22 of 2013. Kiosko.net

What I can't fathom is that this was taken by AH when she was just JD's girlfriend. She wasn't even his fiancé or wife yet!!!

To me this seems mighty suspicious that she was already building a case, as it were. It feels like a set up. I think her intentions were always to gather dirt to blackmail a tidy sum out of him if/when things fell apart. But, wow, to do it early in the relationship speaks to premeditation. MOO

What's also interesting is that there is another version of this photo floating around, which, strangely enough, doesn't have the "Property of JD" box on the table. So...it was placed there during the photo shoot. But by whom?

https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/07/200708-johnny-depp-photos-index.jpg

Pics of Johnny Depp’s alleged drug bender surface in court

Something else I would like to point out: zoom in on the signature on the back of that driver's license. Then go look for JD and AH signatures online. The result will surprise you.

Interesting that the tabloids got access to much better quality versions of these pictures than the trial itself. Hmmm...that metadata issue cropping up again.

I'm so impressed with what you're finding as you do your digging!!

Have you ever thought about sending it all to JD's team?!

I would love to see JD's team take the jury through a large visual timeline with all the dates of the events she's talked about and have the photos attached at the time points, and then poke holes and point out the inconsistensies all the way down the line.

 

[squareandrabbet]

So I have been digging further through the submitted photo evidence.

Def167A-CL20192911-050422

Defense exhibit #167A is the infamous drug table where JD apparently lined up 4 lines of coke for himself during a binge, then just left in the morning, breakfast table nice and neat.

I have confirmed the edition of the LA Times which is lying on the table. It is dated 22 March 2013.

Newspaper Los Angeles Times (USA). Newspapers in USA. Friday's edition, March 22 of 2013. Kiosko.net

What I can't fathom is that this was taken by AH when she was just JD's girlfriend. She wasn't even his fiancé or wife yet!!!

To me this seems mighty suspicious that she was already building a case, as it were. It feels like a set up. I think her intentions were always to gather dirt to blackmail a tidy sum out of him if/when things fell apart. But, wow, to do it early in the relationship speaks to premeditation. MOO

What's also interesting is that there is another version of this photo floating around, which, strangely enough, doesn't have the "Property of JD" box on the table. So...it was placed there during the photo shoot. But by whom?

https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/07/200708-johnny-depp-photos-index.jpg

Pics of Johnny Depp’s alleged drug bender surface in court

Something else I would like to point out: zoom in on the signature on the back of that driver's license. Then go look for JD and AH signatures online. The result will surprise you.

Interesting that the tabloids got access to much better quality versions of these pictures than the trial itself. Hmmm...that metadata issue cropping up again.

IIRC, that was part of JD statement even in connection with the UK trial, ie from the beginning … ‘this was planned from the start’; and at first it seemed like ‘yeah, yeah, sure, buddy; that’s a bridge too far’.

I believed she had done something; but I didn’t believe it was all that intense. But now…

Remember in the opening statement, Attorney Vasquez saying (paraphrase) ‘the overwhelming majority of photos on Ms. Heard’s devices were found in the editing folder of a software app’?

Remember UK declaration of makeup artist, testifying Amber handing her sister some electronic device, and saying ‘make sure you get those photos onto the computer’?