Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #12

[MBLover]

The NK guy is more than weird. His travels that go into great detail - He seems to make the detail fit what he wants it to fit...and when it wants it to fit to other things he seems to brag about to posting unusually creepy statements regarding Morgan.

From things I've read, it would appear that LE is aware of him. Other sites have wondered where he was when Childs & Metzler were murdered... He's grabbed the attention of quite a few people!

 

[BigDBossDog]

How do I see who you speak of?

 

[Track292008]

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I know a death being ruled a "homicide" is a legal status, if you will, and is important for various reasons. Including IIRC in some jurisdictions LE is only allowed to spend so many resources on investigating a death that has not been ruled a homicide. So...I ‘m wondering what if any conclusions can be drawn from the ME’s finding....

Do they know the cause of death but they are not putting it out because they feel it would be better for the investigation not to make that information public at this time?

I think your reason for not publicizing the cause of death is probably right on. On the other hand, maybe the ME doesn't yet know the COD for sure. The ball is in the DA's court now, I believe. I'm sure the DA will want to call the ME to testify in a trial, but for now I think we'll hear no more from the ME. JMO.

 

[BigDBossDog]

I have imported the arial photo and some google map pics into my graphics program and this is the best I can see for location of the remains based on the fence, the trees, the shadows and reports. This would also fit the farmers "mile and one half" from the driveway entrance statement.

 

[Mountain Mama]

IMO the perp would be stupid to leave her body somewhere that he is closely associated with. (Of course he could be that dumb, but with how difficult this has been to solve, I'd say he's intellegent.)
It would make more sense for him to pick a location that he is familiar with from sometime in the past, or has snuck onto without anyone knowing.
If the perp is a neighbor, he could rationalize that nobody has ever seen him prowling around there - so its a safe place to leave her. Perhaps they thought that the wildlife would take care of any trace evidence.
I'm actually surprised that the perp left her at the farm. Seems like they may have slipped up finally.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I would like to say, being around her age, and from the area, I have never heard of that farm being a party area for college students. There are far too many areas around campus that are known for parties, such as frat houses and dorms, I find it very hard to believe a college student, like myself, would drive out to an unclaimed building to party. Yes, most of us are young and naive, but we do not lack all common sense.
I would also like to point out to most of you, many UVA students do not have their own vehicles, and first years are prohibited from bringing vehicles on campus at all. Therefor, the idea of her partying there with other students form the area, is too far of a stretch for me to believe.

Partiers always leave debris. This is a working farm; although the farmer is not out in the field or in this area consistently, he would know is this spot is used as a rendezvous spot, and LE would see those signs in the area (beer cans, cigarette butts, wrappers, condoms, you name it). If the farmer knew it was a party site, he could put up an electric fence, etc., to discourage trespassers of that type. I think it is more likely to be a site linked to jack-lighting and shooting deer, as another poster has pointed out.

 

[mahoneys07]

One of the videos (channel 29's wrapup of the day they found her -- I can't find it on line this morning) had a reporter saying Mr. Bass saw the remains in a place where he often sees dead deer. I thought it was kind of odd that deer would die in that place more often than another, but if it was a place where deer carcasses wash up, that would make sense.

And I would guess that after heavy rain that melted what was reported to be around two feet of snow, the runoff was quite high.

Deer carcass's stink is it possible this was an area that hunterswould dump the carcass's?

 

[BigDBossDog]

they dont go out of there way to dump a carcass. As I stated earlier my belief is that the farmer finds dead dear in this area due to poachers shooting them on his land from Waldemar or Chopin Drive because they know they can and he will not know about it. Ive seen it happen before, I used to find them all in the field where they would shoot them just after dusk and leave em to rot in the field.....stupid bastards.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

In general, a person who posts highly detailed scenarios on FB or internet sites about how a person was killed before a body has been found should attract the attention of LE. I don't mean the sort of thing we do on this board, where we kick around scenarios. I am talking about posting scenarios with details that have nothing to do with a crime (e.g., someone who would write about details that only a killer would or could know or only a fiction writer would make up, not sleuthers.) I hope LE is looking at anyone who has posted such scenarios about Morgan.

 

[BigDBossDog]

Man that N K dude creeps me out.............we need laws where he would be fair game to put on a slow boat with a hole in it with his other buddies headed to China.

 

[Nouveau]

From my remembrance of NK, his attention was brought to LE.
I also recall many aspects of his scenario not being possible, such as any ice-cream shops being open that late, the drive, etc.
Also, as someone has pointed out, I find it hard to believe that someone of his stature would have been able to do much harm to her, let alone carry her anywhere of that distance.

Regardless, a person that posts such a scenario has a sick mind. It might just be possible that he wishes he was the one that saw her so he could have been the one to take advantage the situation.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The internet is just one more place where a POI or suspect or other form of dirtbag, including the guilty, can try to monitor a police investigation or throw out scenarios. Those of you following the Gabriel Johnson case are aware that Tammi Smith has been using FB and the media to throw her version of events out there; that has, so far, got her charged with several felonies. In the Johnson case, Smith has gone from a witness to a POI to someone arrested with collateral charges. In Morgan's case, a FB poster whose home is situated between JPJ arena and the location where the body was found, who lives no more than 15 minutes from that site, and who is a "rock critic" and a basketball recruiter would pique my interest. One of the last groups Morgan was seen talking to was a group of UVa players; her phone was found near that conversation. Who knows who might have been on the fringes of that conversation or who might have witnessed it and followed Morgan? Just thinking out loud.

 

[Le Singe]

.............Its amazing how fast animals dispose of a carcass ( I hate that word to describe a beautiful human being). Its a wonder they found as much as they are saying they did. I've seen buzzards, opossums, skunks, raptors, mice, bugs clean a deer down to the bone in a matter of a week or two..............

 

[secret_agent_mom]

From my remembrance of NK, his attention was brought to LE.
I also recall many aspects of his scenario not being possible, such as any ice-cream shops being open that late, the drive, etc.
Also, as someone has pointed out, I find it hard to believe that someone of his stature would have been able to do much harm to her, let alone carry her anywhere of that distance.

Regardless, a person that posts such a scenario has a sick mind. It might just be possible that he wishes he was the one that saw her so he could have been the one to take advantage the situation.

I respectfully disagree, but I may have on blinders. There are many ways to overpower a person that don't require unusual strength, height or weight. I think it would be entirely possible for him to overpower her. As for carry her -we don't know that she was carried, although I think he might be able to carry her that far. She could have been dragged - he could have driven closer to the spot somehow...there are lots of scenarios for getting her there.

There are ice cream parlors in both Charlottesville and Harrisonburg that are open until 11 PM on the weekends. This timeframe would work given that Morgan was last seen at 9:30 - they talked for an hour and then he suggested ice cream.

 

[BigDBossDog]

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[Mendara]

Oh poor Morgan - who could have done this? A random killer in the right place and time? It is possible. Are there any other missing girls in this area?

 

[Le Singe]

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I think your reason for not publicizing the cause of death is probably right on. On the other hand, maybe the ME doesn't yet know the COD for sure. The ball is in the DA's court now, I believe. I'm sure the DA will want to call the ME to testify in a trial, but for now I think we'll hear no more from the ME. JMO.

Ya, it just seems weird that you could be sure it was homicide but not know the cause of death. I obviously don't know the cause of death, but I do FEEL certain it was homicide; however I could not come out and say that it is a fact.

Do you know what if any information from the MEs report they are required to release? Is any of it public information? Because I agree with you about not hearing more from the ME, if I was the DA you would not even have heard what you heard so I wonder what if there is anything they HAVE TO release.

The reason I would be curious to know is cause of death seems like it can sometimes say something about the crime. If this was, as I suspect, some sort or Abduction + sex crime sort of thing, it seems to me (just my feeling I don't have any statistics or anything to back it up) these crimes usually involve strangulation or stabbing or some combination, and sometimes bludgeoning. If it came out that she had been shot I would really have to rethink things and I would not feel that it was necessarily Abduction+sex crime, I would have to go back to the "it could be anything" camp.

 

[BigDBossDog]

Ya, it just seems weird that you could be sure it was homicide but not know the cause of death. I obviously don't know the cause of death, but I do FEEL certain it was homicide; however I could not come out and say that it is a fact.

Do you know what if any information from the MEs report they are required to release? Is any of it public information? Because I agree with you about not hearing more from the ME, if I was the DA you would not even have heard what you heard so I wonder what if there is anything they HAVE TO release.

The reason I would be curious to know is cause of death seems like it can sometimes say something about the crime. If this was, as I suspect, some sort or Abduction + sex crime sort of thing, it seems to me (just my feeling I don't have any statistics or anything to back it up) these crimes usually involve strangulation or stabbing or some combination, and sometimes bludgeoning. If it came out that she had been shot I would really have to rethink things and I would not feel that it was necessarily Abduction+sex crime, I would have to go back to the "it could be anything" camp.

yes I agree, I would tend to think that they have found strangulation as the COD, especially knowing that she was under some influence of an altering substance. Some predator saw a beautiful woman they wanted to control.

THE DEATH PENALTY IS A DETERRENT TO REPEAT OFFENDERS.

 

[Soulmagent]

Even if she was shot it still could have been a sex crime. A more calculating one. Using the gun to abduct and gain forceful control and quiet complice.

It would have allow the suspect to keep her in control in the car. Walk her into the field andleave her where she was murdered. The possible reason for not puting her in the woods could be because the woods are not as comfortable for the suspect and the reason for not hidding her body could have been because he did not want to get blood on his clothes.
Anyone remember Morgan mother saying she felt morgan died quikly and didnt suffer long. I skimmed the article but again I do not know where I read it. Morgans Mothers statements always make me go huh? As I do not relate to the way she thinks. It takes me longer to get what she means.

 

[BigDBossDog]

yes she is a different cut of cloth, not wrong, just different. I think her background makes it easier for her to rationalize things more openly and bluntly than we are used to.