Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #13

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  • #241
The smoking ,comment always bothered me..also the kiss. If M was just going to the bathroom it seem odd that her friend would feel a need to kiss her..seems she felt she would be gone longer than just a couple minutes.
Karla..truly a disturbed person..is either out now or soon will be...I believe she should have got the death penalty..but she did not.
The idea that a woman,could be helping to cover and keep this secret has never been far from my mind..not just one woman...but maybe several..
I would like to know when the last time M had a date with a guy..she was very attractive, out going and into a lot of groups..just seems strange she had no boy friend.

The kiss is part of DH's account of the events of October 17, 2009.
http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2009/10/29/cover-findMorgan-E.aspx

Quote re the kiss:
Inside, according to her father's account, the girls settled into their seats, but sometime either during the second opening act, Lamb of God, or during the break before Metallica came onstage, Morgan left her group.
"Amy gave Morgan a kiss on the cheek. and Morgan went to the bathroom," says Dan Harrington. "We know that Morgan got out of the building, and then it's like she fell off the face of the earth."


However, part of his original account had some major discrepancies with LE; for example, the location(s) of MH's car that night. What might have happened is that he talked to one or more of the three companions on the 18th, but they were so terrified and upset that their account was garbled. Then, they spoke to their own parents, and seemed to suddenly go silent. The kiss may not have occurred.

Also, the parents probably just meant that MH had no commitment to any one particular guy, not that she had never dated or that she had no guys who were friends.

Several women? That would be really Charlie Manson-ish. Maybe some weird cult thing, a violent off-shoot of some extremist environmental group, or something similar.

Life of Squeaky Fromm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynette_Fromme#cite_note-17

She was released from prison in August 2009, and reportedly moved to Marcy, New York.

Squeaky uses "environment" as an excuse for trying to kill President Ford:
http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/squeaky.htm
 
  • #242
... I truly believe they have somebody and unfortunately it is somebody close. Not the boogie man this time.

Close in what way, HoneyBun?
 
  • #243
It seems as though many believe Morgan didn't enter the arena with her friends, but do believe that was her seen trying to unsuccessfully get "back" in.

If Morgan never entered the arena, then why would she have had any problem getting (back) in? They have a no RE-entry policy, not a no entry policy. If Morgan never entered the arena until she was seen trying to get "back" in, she wouldn't have had any problem getting in, as that would have been the first time she was attempting to use her ticket.
 
  • #244
It seems as though many believe Morgan didn't enter the arena with her friends, but do believe that was her seen trying to unsuccessfully get "back" in.

If Morgan never entered the arena, then why would she have had any problem getting (back) in? They have a no RE-entry policy, not a no entry policy. If Morgan never entered the arena until she was seen trying to get "back" in, she wouldn't have had any problem getting in, as that would have been the first time she was attempting to use her ticket.

Even with a ticket, I suppose there are instances where someone could be denied entry (not re-entry)...these could include obvious intoxication, attempting to smuggle contraband, using an invalid ticket, having a video camera without permission...not saying MH did any of this, or that I know how JPJ would handle this, but as a general principle I could see this happening.
 
  • #245
I think the "was she there ?" Idea is just brought up because we really don't have much to talk about here....she was found, LE is close lipped

I have posted my (long winded) theory about her relationship/s or lack of .again I just think that Morgan had boyfriend/s but more of a "young" uncomplicated nature (ie, never lived with a guy, wasn't married/divorced/seperated/engaged/didn't break an engagement....didn't have a child/abortion/wasn't pregnant...etc. Those deeper/more complicated relationships can mean love, passion...and as we often see, hatred revenge,jealousy or "want out of this" and can mean domestic violence/even murder

I think she had more almost "high school" type relationships with the guys in her life,
less complicated than many high school relationships really

I feel there was something "young", innocent about Morgan....and that remained no matter what she drank, or what drugs she may have taken, or what "hookups" or whatever she had in the past...this was a woman/girl who had to go to her dad to "balance her checkbook"....

again I think she was a sweet and nice girl who just had one horrible night of bad decisions, bad choices, bad luck...and met a very bad guy who probably seemed "nice"...until things went totally wrong

No huge conspiracy...no "didn't enter the stadium"

Honestly I find the whole idea of "didn't enter/made plans to leave" pretty unreal.
I just don't think that someone with their own apartment and their own car would get expensive tickets to a concert that they were so anxious and excited to see, then somehow "not go in" or "make plans to meet some mystery/married/??? guy" and miss the show !

And as others point out...she was trying to "re-enter"....

and the idea that she was kept from entering in the first place due to her "condition" is simply not logical....after all IF she was THAT "wasted" they would have called ambulance, cops, emt's or whatever....they didn't

IMHO some things are facts here...the stuff posted by Dr Harrington, the small list of facts that we had. One fact is that Morgan did enter the arena with her ticket. Another fact is that she was denied re-entry according to their long standing and inflexible rule of NO re-entry.
 
  • #246
Great point.


It seems as though many believe Morgan didn't enter the arena with her friends, but do believe that was her seen trying to unsuccessfully get "back" in.

If Morgan never entered the arena, then why would she have had any problem getting (back) in? They have a no RE-entry policy, not a no entry policy. If Morgan never entered the arena until she was seen trying to get "back" in, she wouldn't have had any problem getting in, as that would have been the first time she was attempting to use her ticket.
 
  • #247
It seems as though many believe Morgan didn't enter the arena with her friends, but do believe that was her seen trying to unsuccessfully get "back" in.

If Morgan never entered the arena, then why would she have had any problem getting (back) in? They have a no RE-entry policy, not a no entry policy. If Morgan never entered the arena until she was seen trying to get "back" in, she wouldn't have had any problem getting in, as that would have been the first time she was attempting to use her ticket.

My doubt is due to no video or images of her inside to begin with.

As far as re-entry.. or trying to get in.. she could have lost her ticket and said she was already in. I've never been to the arena so I have no clue if they stamp or give bracelets.

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  • #248
When I was at the last concert that I posted I spoke with a body guard before I went to the bathroom. He filled me in on the way to go.Like I posted after going to the bathroom I wanted to go smoke.On the doors it said you can not get back in if you leave. Security was all over and I did not go out the doors. I have to just say in my experience with security that acted very kind not only to me but other people who I could tell had been drinking too much. The body guard was very helpful and kind. I'm old. M was young and I can't wrap around my brain that they would not help her in anyway they could. JMO.
 
  • #249
I was in the film business for a while and I have to say I have seen alot of things go on. I really think M was drinking or on drugs. Made that mistake and walked out of the doors. For whatever reason could not get back in. The people who say they are her friends would have done anything to make sure she was alright. No matter what.
 
  • #250
Before I went to the bathroom I yelled into my friends ear and we grabbed hands.That was it.No texts from them or calls. We kiss each other on the cheek all the time.I'm from Jersey and she is from N.Y.that is normal for us. This concert was in Jersey.
 
  • #251
My doubt is due to no video or images of her inside to begin with.

As far as re-entry.. or trying to get in.. she could have lost her ticket and said she was already in. I've never been to the arena so I have no clue if they stamp or give bracelets.

Two quick things. Iirc, the statement from LE (Geller on 11/4?) is that there is no video evidence that is helpful to the investigation (italics by me). I don't recall seeing a direct quote that she doesn't appear on video entering/inside JPJ.

Also, JPJ has a strict no re-entry policy (whether it should or not has also been discussed), so the reality is no wrist bands or bracelets at JPJ, and no re-entry without a new ticket (and it has been reported that the box office was not selling tickets to Metallica by 8:48, despite it not being sold out)...I still think she might have initially been heading to the bank for money or to find if there were scalpers/other hanger-arounders or late arrivals with spare tickets...you know, "surprise, I made it back in...here's my new friend who had an extra ticket!" Mass speculation, and moo, but a friend of mine (male, 6'5", 250) did just this after his Grateful Dead ticket was stolen out of my trunk while we were eating dinner...another friend and I went in and he was there in under half an hour, having snagged a spare in the parking lot.
 
  • #252
It seems as though many believe Morgan didn't enter the arena with her friends, but do believe that was her seen trying to unsuccessfully get "back" in.

If Morgan never entered the arena, then why would she have had any problem getting (back) in? They have a no RE-entry policy, not a no entry policy. If Morgan never entered the arena until she was seen trying to get "back" in, she wouldn't have had any problem getting in, as that would have been the first time she was attempting to use her ticket.

Maybe she didn't care much for the opening acts. Rather than trying to get back in, she may have been just trying to get in for the first time.

http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2009/10/29/cover-findMorgan-E.aspx

The group arrived safely, according to a 2005 UVA grad who parked next to them. Morgan-- a blonde-haired, blue-eyed woman clad in a black mini skirt, black tights, and knee-high black boots-- seemed excited to go in, more so, even, than the rest of her friends.

"She pulled up with her party and got out of her party's car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert," Dave Gardner, now living in New Jersey, told Lynchburg television station WDBJ.

"She did seem excited to see Metallica because she asked us who the opening act was, and when we told her, she said 'Who cares, we're here to see Metallica, right?'"

Gardner, who did not return the Hook's calls, told the station he was "100 percent certain" that it was Morgan he'd spoken to and that he saw no signs of pre-concert drinking by Morgan or her friends.
 
  • #253
I think the "was she there ?" Idea is just brought up because we really don't have much to talk about here....she was found, LE is close lipped
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/woohoo.gif
I have posted my (long winded) theory about her relationship/s or lack of .again I just think that Morgan had boyfriend/s but more of a "young" uncomplicated nature (ie, never lived with a guy, wasn't married/divorced/seperated/engaged/didn't break an engagement....didn't have a child/abortion/wasn't pregnant...etc. Those deeper/more complicated relationships can mean love, passion...and as we often see, hatred revenge,jealousy or "want out of this" and can mean domestic violence/even murder

I think she had more almost "high school" type relationships with the guys in her life,
less complicated than many high school relationships really

I feel there was something "young", innocent about Morgan....and that remained no matter what she drank, or what drugs she may have taken, or what "hookups" or whatever she had in the past...this was a woman/girl who had to go to her dad to "balance her checkbook"....

Violence comes from emotional immaturity. Romeo & Juliet were teens.

again I think she was a sweet and nice girl who just had one horrible night of bad decisions, bad choices, bad luck...and met a very bad guy who probably seemed "nice"...until things went totally wrong

No huge conspiracy...no "didn't enter the stadium"

No one is arguing in favor of a huge conspiracy. A conspiracy is possible; and would only necessarily imply two perps.

Honestly I find the whole idea of "didn't enter/made plans to leave" pretty unreal.
I just don't think that someone with their own apartment and their own car would get expensive tickets to a concert that they were so anxious and excited to see, then somehow "not go in" or "make plans to meet some mystery/married/??? guy" and miss the show !

Who knows? Maybe she just had a headache. She didn't want to ruin other people's plans? We don't know.

And as others point out...she was trying to "re-enter"....

and the idea that she was kept from entering in the first place due to her "condition" is simply not logical....after all IF she was THAT "wasted" they would have called ambulance, cops, emt's or whatever....they didn't

IMHO some things are facts here...the stuff posted by Dr Harrington, the small list of facts that we had. One fact is that Morgan did enter the arena with her ticket. Another fact is that she was denied re-entry according to their long standing and inflexible rule of NO re-entry.

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/10/30/unexplained-injury-and-tips-flood-in-but-still-no-morgan-harrington/

Quote from the above link:
Another discrepancy between what police and the family seem to know revolves around ...
 
  • #254
MH was a young woman, and no threat to anyone. She was killed senselessly.

Why?

JMO: Sometimes people who come across as being from a wealthier background are targets of resentment. In some cases, this resentment is sufficient to cause their murder (for example, Sharon Tate), but in other cases, this type of jealousy is only one of many factors. We may find that this type of animosity to be a factor in this case.

Let's consider the band which performed at AF.

The band that played at Anchorage Farm; part band, part political activist unit:

http://www.herestothelonghaul.com/index.php

Quote from the above link:
Here's to the Long Haul is born of the historic and ongoing movements for justice in Appalachia and beyond. Co-founders Willie Dodson and Joe Overton, along with guest musicians and activists, make up this Appalachian string band/teaching team ... In addition to musical performances, HttLH offers workshops and educational presentations on Mountain-top Removal coal-mining in Appalachia and a number of grassroots skills and methods.

You will see that the band has links to Mountain Justice in one of these photos.

http://www.herestothelonghaul.com/photos.php#thumb

thumbpic3.jpg


Mountain Justice:
http://www.mountainjusticesummer.org/

Mountain Justice frequently breaks law:
http://www.mountainjusticesummer.org/actions/index.php

Here's to Long Haul sponsors political workshops advocating non-violence:
http://www.herestothelonghaul.com/workshops.php

Perhaps the band is concerned that some of their followers might resort to violent tactics.
 
  • #255
Before I went to the bathroom I yelled into my friends ear and we grabbed hands.That was it.No texts from them or calls. We kiss each other on the cheek all the time.I'm from Jersey and she is from N.Y.that is normal for us. This concert was in Jersey.

My daughter & her friends do it; they also say I love you.

Two quick things. Iirc, the statement from LE (Geller on 11/4?) is that there is no video evidence that is helpful to the investigation (italics by me). I don't recall seeing a direct quote that she doesn't appear on video entering/inside JPJ.

See what I bold below. It says she's not seen on any video. It also states guards were at exits so you would think one would remember telling her she couldn't re-enter... Also her father states she's been to concerts before

Maybe she didn't care much for the opening acts. Rather than trying to get back in, she may have been just trying to get in for the first time.

http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2009/10/29/cover-findMorgan-E.aspx

Hadn't had time to read this link since adding it to the blog page; a few things stand out to me..

For one; it's her friends that put her inside; no one else..

Below are parts from the above link anything italic is quote- bold by me

How an alleged bathroom trip resulted in her exiting the Arena is a mystery. Built in 2006, the $131 million structure has 32 restrooms-- 18 for women-- clearly marked. There are concession stands and even a smoking terrace overlooking Emmet Street. Security guards at the exits are trained to warn patrons that if they leave, they won't be allowed to reenter-- even with their ticket.

Yet Morgan, somehow, ended up outside.

At presstime, Tuesday, October 27, State Police spokesperson Corinne Geller confirmed that witness testimony places Morgan outside the arena until 9:30pm but that after that, the trail runs cold. Again, she declined to comment on Morgan's condition or possible signs of intoxication.

A thorough law enforcement review of security videos not only from the Arena but from all nearby businesses equipped with surveillance, Geller says, shows no trace of Morgan.

Police spokesperson Geller confirms that Morgan made at least one effort to get back into the stadium, at which point she was informed by security she wouldn't be allowed.

Dr. Harrington bases his perpetrator theory on the idea that a local attacker would have the confidence and familiarity with the landscape.
He says that his daughter, who was born at UVA medical center in 1989 when he was on the psychiatric faculty, is no stranger to Charlottesville concerts, having also attended shows at the Charlottesville Pavilion.

As to why the nine in general and the two friends who, along with a boyfriend, accompanied Morgan to the concert, have not been giving press interviews, Morgan's mother sees innocent reasons.

"They're trying to go to class," says Gil. "They're trying to deal with the fact that their friend is lost."

Morgan's childhood friend Megan Tyree agrees and says the unbearable grief of losing a friend coupled with the glare of national media has been overwhelming for a group of girls who never experienced the loss of a classmate while in high school.

"A lot of spectators think we're not helping that much," says Tyree, explaining that while Morgan's friends have been cooperating fully with law enforcement, "we can't constantly be responding to media."


Unexplained injury: Tips flood in, but still no Morgan

Quote from the above link:

Another discrepancy between what police and the family seem to know revolves around the vehicle that transported the young woman and three other concert-goers to Charlottesville. Police spokesperson Geller says that although driven by a friend, it was definitely Morgan Harrington’s own vehicle. Dr. Harrington has maintained, however, that his daughter’s 2006 Honda Civic, along with its keys, remained in Harrisonburg until retrieved Sunday by his daughter’s roommate who drove it back to the family home in Roanoke.

I've seen parts of this quote but not the full quote. I didn't realize DH was saying her car wasn't at the arena


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  • #256
My daughter & her friends do it; they also say I love you.



See what I bold below. It says she's not seen on any video. It also states guards were at exits so you would think one would remember telling her she couldn't re-enter... Also her father states she's been to concerts before



Hadn't had time to read this link since adding it to the blog page; a few things stand out to me..

For one; it's her friends that put her inside; no one else..

Below are parts from the above link anything italic is quote- bold by me

How an alleged bathroom trip resulted in her exiting the Arena is a mystery. Built in 2006, the $131 million structure has 32 restrooms-- 18 for women-- clearly marked. There are concession stands and even a smoking terrace overlooking Emmet Street. Security guards at the exits are trained to warn patrons that if they leave, they won't be allowed to reenter-- even with their ticket.

Yet Morgan, somehow, ended up outside.

At presstime, Tuesday, October 27, State Police spokesperson Corinne Geller confirmed that witness testimony places Morgan outside the arena until 9:30pm but that after that, the trail runs cold. Again, she declined to comment on Morgan's condition or possible signs of intoxication.

A thorough law enforcement review of security videos not only from the Arena but from all nearby businesses equipped with surveillance, Geller says, shows no trace of Morgan.

Police spokesperson Geller confirms that Morgan made at least one effort to get back into the stadium, at which point she was informed by security she wouldn't be allowed.

Dr. Harrington bases his perpetrator theory on the idea that a local attacker would have the confidence and familiarity with the landscape.
He says that his daughter, who was born at UVA medical center in 1989 when he was on the psychiatric faculty, is no stranger to Charlottesville concerts, having also attended shows at the Charlottesville Pavilion.

As to why the nine in general and the two friends who, along with a boyfriend, accompanied Morgan to the concert, have not been giving press interviews, Morgan's mother sees innocent reasons.

"They're trying to go to class," says Gil. "They're trying to deal with the fact that their friend is lost."

Morgan's childhood friend Megan Tyree agrees and says the unbearable grief of losing a friend coupled with the glare of national media has been overwhelming for a group of girls who never experienced the loss of a classmate while in high school.

"A lot of spectators think we're not helping that much," says Tyree, explaining that while Morgan's friends have been cooperating fully with law enforcement, "we can't constantly be responding to media."




I've seen parts of this quote but not the full quote. I didn't realize DH was saying her car wasn't at the arena


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If Morgan's car never made it to the arena, how DID her friends get home?
 
  • #257
Update: A very important person of interest whom we all know, is now listed as "Not Employed", according to the Virginia State Police Sex Offender Registry website.
 
  • #258
I've seen parts of this quote but not the full quote. I didn't realize DH was saying her car wasn't at the arena.

On the FM site, DH later explained that he had only assumed that the car had stayed in H'burg
(with its keys :confused:), and that no one had lied to him.

My guess is that on Sunday (10/18/09), the companions were near hysterical, and whatever tale they told DH was quite garbled. Then, their parents probably advised them to keep quiet. The details about the kiss, the smoking, trip to the bathroom and what MH said on the phone are not 100% reliable. The kiss appeals to drama fans; AM starring as the girl Judas, but even if true, the incident proves nothing.
 
  • #259
I believe M was worldly(aware)enough of the "stranger danger" situation that she would not have left the arena with a stranger.
Then someone she knew or thought she knew,could have approached her..("your car has a big dent down the side..what happened?)(your brother is out side and doesn't look well)or a dozen idea's along that line..something to separate her from the other's in her party..
If this is the case..then it was premeditated ,it was calculated..her friends and family have information on incidents that happened to M that would have made someone target her..(which LE would know) They hold information that we don't have to help figure this out..
consider this story ..she arrived at JMU, designated driver drives them to the JPJ .everything goes like clockwork...(why no photos? why no video?) and then after a perfect day..she just disregards her desires to see Metallica..her friends and just walks out to get a smoke(altho she had quit months before) but regardless of that ..she finds herself outside....(anyone that knew M personally would be asking why aren't you inside?..why are you missing Metallica?(my reason to discount the witnesses testimony outside mistaken identity so the person, on the bridge all that could have been anyone BUT M.
Regardless of all that..she calls only the person inside and a friend 60 miles away (JMU? or UVA)Then she just walks away in to the night...
or

What if M was there, she watched it all, the group returned to her car,and drove to a party,that they were aware of before the concert or during...personal invitation
that would explain the other's saying they waited in the parking lot...accounting for the time ,that possible sightings of them would be accounted for..
concert ends..but they don't get gas(credit card receipt)until much later..people seeing them return from the concert...early in the morning instead of a couple hours after the concert...
The party is a mixed group of fans,friends and party lovers...M dies ...everyone panics..no need to destroy the lives of those at the party .......

Just another idea to throw on the pile...the tight lipped friends..have lots of reasons to remain silent in my opinion..not only the "8" but others that weren't that close...getting kicked out of school...would ruin future careers and upset parents..lose nice trust funds...lots of reasons to not tell .
 
  • #260
The party is a mixed group of fans,friends and party lovers...M dies ...everyone panics..no need to destroy the lives of those at the party ........

If someone ODs at a party, how would that ruin the lives of the attendees?
 
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