Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #7

[part time prof]

I've come to tne conclusion that LE keep the necklace design out of the news in order to vet eyewitness accounts. No necklace=no credility, seems harsh.

The latest from the paperwoman now says MH was wearing a jacket with her hair tucked into it so she really only saw a blond in black with smoky eye shadow ...

I do think it is time they release any pictures they have from that night.

I would like to know if they found any fingerprints on her purse/wallet/phone?

Did she wear rubber bands on her fingers because she liked to pull her hair back? Did she have her hair pulled back?

If LE can see the car on bank cameras, did the cameras see the car return that night (heading in either direction) on Copeley to place the purse back at Lannigan field parking?

Hoosl, I think you posted that video showed her hitching at the Copeley/Ivy interection (as opposed to on the bridge). Did I misread that? Could a surveillance camera see the bridge? I realize it's only about 15-20 feet from the end of the bridge to the intersection, but I'm thinking about traffic flow and who could have picked her up. Probably not terribly important in the scheme of things. TIA

 

[x_files]

But the tickets one would buy from a scalper would be less than what they were selling at the window (assuming they weren't front row seats or whatever).

However, I don't think a scalper was involved, as the time was after 2 of 3 bands ... most everybody was already there, inside the arena. Likewise, people (press, etc.) keep talking about 'all the people in the parking lot' but this was 2/3 of the way through the evening's entertainment ... folks aren't going to be hanging out most likely!

yeah, something is all around odd about this time-line story, but add alcohol, drugs or impairment it starts to make more sense. People make horrible decisions when angry and impaired.
I keep think LE knows alot more than we do and therefore will drive us nuts trying to figure it out.
I am starting to think a fight broke out between Morgan and one of the friends.

 

[MeoW333]

Thank you for the link MeoW333, it has some new little tid bits like "independent witnesses" to her hitching, and that LE suspected all along she was hitching. I would think she had to do this on previous occasions for them to think something like that in this day and age. How many young college girls do that now a day? Her friends had to tell LE she hitched before, right?
Now we are are back to the pocketbook being left behind in the little grassy area. The person who took her and most likely desposed of her had to be from that area or from the Univserity with her PB being thrown back in that field, don't you think?
I know you had very reasonable explanations for why she got rid of it before hitching, but it still feels in my gut it was placed or thrown there later by the perp.

At least the LE are getting closer, I hope the story of her on the bank camera is true.
That would be a huge break, but why aren't they releasing it to show the public the car/truck?
They are still asking for witnesses of her getting in a car/truck.

Your welcome =)
I would be sure it is due to the "independent witnesses" and not so much her friends, i've haven't heard anything of the friends telling LE that. It may be the first time in her life she's hitchhiked, there's no way we'd tell unless we could ask her.

IMO, i would think the person who took her would either be from the area, or a past resident of the area who is familiar with the area (went to college there in the past, used to live there, still lives around there.)
I can only speculate why Morgan would throw her own PB there, however i also agree that the perp may have as well. He possibly could have caught up with her around there, yet later we hear about her hitchhiking on Copeley Rd bridge...
If they do have the video from the bank (i am thinking the Wachovia faces that direction) hopefully they could get the info as to what type of car it is they would be looking for. If they do know the info, there are many reasons why they wouldn't realise it yet.

 

[MeoW333]

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/state...ch_effort_for_morgan_harrington_begins/60473/

Here's the link with the video with Sarah Snead. She's obviously not an emotional wreck over all this, nor does she seem that concerned or remorseful for not standing by Morgan when she got locked out.

 

[MeoW333]

see readthehook

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/ind...fore-hitching-morgan-harrington-caused-worry/

Here is the hook. It doesn't have the asterisks so i am guessing it is safe to post.

 

[Hoosll]

Hoosl, I think you posted that video showed her hitching at the Copeley/Ivy interection (as opposed to on the bridge). Did I misread that? Could a surveillance camera see the bridge? I realize it's only about 15-20 feet from the end of the bridge to the intersection, but I'm thinking about traffic flow and who could have picked her up. Probably not terribly important in the scheme of things. TIA

Yes, I did post that I had heard LE may have MH on bank video ... One thing we found out last year when there was a sniper shooting up a branch bank is that there are more cameras at banks than just in your face at the ATM. LE and banks want clear pics of the parking lots and surroundings in case of robberies so I would not be surprised if there are cameras that could see towards the intersection of Copeley and Ivy Rds. In the dark on a misty night things may not be clear but if you knew someone was there at a certain time you could probably verify the sighting. As to whether a car or license plate would be visible ... I don't know. There are banks on 3 of the 4 corners there.

From the earliest presser, police were asking for witnesses who saw MH getting into a car, they have been pretty vague about just exactly where this might have happened ... Copeley near Lannigan or Copeley bridge or Ivy Rd ...

At the same presser, they were clear that she was moving and talking, not acting too impaired; at the time, we weren't sure why that was highlighted. Now we know she had fallen and hurt herself inside the arena. Now we also may know that she was upset and beligerant.

At later presser they said she walked ALONE through the parking lot behind U-Hall towards Lannigan. Seems like they have been very careful with their wording ...

Just a comment on the purse being found at Lannigan ... I think that the UVA police posting of "Cage parking lot" probably reflects where the report was made. I'm betting an athlete headed towards the weight rooms in the Cage (building adjacent to U-Hall) found the bag and either turned it in to someone at the Cage or called and met LE at the Cage ... I am not at all surprised that someone in the UVA community would pick up a stray purse and immediately turn it in ... there are a ton of sports going on right now involving men and women and the most likely people in that area are athletes or joggers.

 

[MeoW333]

Just finished reading The Hooks Sunday article. I was most interested in the 44 year old mans eyewitness account. The argueing that he heard but did not witness. The way the girl was so forward with him and his calling his girlfriend immediately to tell her what happened. She advised him to call LE. Another what if...

With the way Morgan acted with him it makes me think we really don't know much about Morgan. Was she quiet, loud. Was she an angry drinker..for that matter did she drink?

Funny with no friends speaking, no pictures and no LE giving us a profile we can only guess at the type of young woman she was. Have they done this to protect her or her family?

The friends have taken quite a bit of heat over all this and I understand why. But was Morgan a reckless, fearless, take risks type of person? Were they just tired of following her. I am sure they never in a million years would have thought anything would happen to her. As I write this I say to myself..wait a minute..that kind of friend needs more protection and where were her friends when she told them...I am locked out...I will find a ride. If she was reckless..she needed a friend.

I wish the friends would at least give the media more info on Morgan's personality, i take it they could word it appropriately if need be.

Sarah Snead doesn't appear upset in the video. With friends like those..
Is it possible there was some jealousy/competition going on between Morgan and some of her friends?
Honeybun, i completely agree with you that if Morgan was fearless, reckless, then she would need more protection from her friends, yet we see her friends do nothing to help her.
If my friend got locked out of the arena, i would at least have gave her her keys or the keys to the car to sit in it. The could have at the very least given her a key to get in the car, yet not for the ignition if they were concerned about her driving.
If it was Morgan's car it's very rude of her friends to not give her the keys! Either way, they should have been looking out for their friend.

When they called Morgan at 8:48pm whatever the supposed conversation was where Morgan said not to worry she'd find a ride home. How could her friends just be okay with that? Why not ask her details!!!??
Then they were supposed to meet up at a hotel party or something and her friends tell the others they "are missing someone"?
Then the friends say that supposedly they waited around for Morgan a couple hours after the concert. Supposedly waited around.

They don't act like true friends should at all. Snead doesn't even act concerned after the fact. I would be eaten away with guilt. If her friends had got to her while she was outside things would obviously have a different outcome. All Sarah Snead can say is:

"I mean obviously if we thought that something bad you know we wouldn't have done it if we think it was okay um but you know obviously we wish things had taken place differently"

The context of the phone call Morgan said "don't worry i'll find a ride home."

The video also says Sarah and her friends left Charlottesville after the concert. SO did they even wait around for Morgan a couple hours or just leave immediately.
Here is the video link:
http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/state...ch_effort_for_morgan_harrington_begins/60473/

We hear from Sarah, however we don't hear much from the other friend. I think the other one is the one with the LE dad.

 

[Cardinal47]

I have always thought it strange after all that happened that fateful night neither of the friends became alarmed enough to find Morgan Sunday morning. I believe it was Morgans father that became upset around noon when he could not reach her and she did not come to the house as planned.
What were the friends doing..sleeping...not caring..uninvolved. I know most people here were quite upset with them early on. I tried to maintain that they could not tell everything. But the more things come out the more I am starting to look in their direction. I wonder why her parents are so supportive of the friends right from the beginning? Are they just kind or is there lots more to this story?

 

[lilacwine]

The parents may not be able to comprehend the absolute betrayl in addition to everything else they are dealing with... or they may have to try to keep a relationship open with them so they don't lawyer up and slow things down even more.
The fact that they didn't worry earlier either concerns me as well

 

[Cardinal47]

As I said earlier we don't really know Morgan. I recently saw an incident with a diabetic man and I am offering this to digest. Just another thought.
http://www.diabetic-diet-foods.com/symptoms-of-hypoglycemia/diabetic-feeling-drunk/

 

[part time prof]

As I said earlier we don't really know Morgan. I recently saw an incident with a diabetic man and I am offering this to digest. Just another thought.
http://www.diabetic-diet-foods.com/symptoms-of-hypoglycemia/diabetic-feeling-drunk/

Have been reading up on concussions and traumatic brain injuries (TBIs) and their symptoms, and I wonder if the slight cut on MH's chin hid something more severe going on internally.

What especially jumped out at me was irritability, loss of inhibition, compounded by alcohol, seeming recovery followed by downturn.

http://www.safetyresource.org/general_safety/concussions.html

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/011126.html

http://www.neurologychannel.com/tbi/symptoms.shtml

http://www.traumaticbraininjury.com/content/symptoms/mildtbisymptoms.html

In some sense, it doesn't matter...she was outside, then she was gone...but I am with many others in my incredulity of reported MH behaviors and if she had suffered an actual brain injury (or was diabetic, or hypoglycemic or any number of other things) it makes more sense.

 

[p7byrd]

So if there's a possibility that LE is purposely feeding the public false information in regards to MH's hitchhiking on Copley Rd, then that throws into question her being present on the bridge in the first place. That means the place of her abduction/disappearance is most likely the grassy parking lot outside Lannigan Field. This scenario also fits the physical evidence of the case more logically (her purse being found in the vicinity).

 

[JulieAnne]

Just some random theories... I think someone else had her phone. I don't think she made or received any of the calls being referred to. I think if she had been the one that had use of her phone, things would have played out MUCH differently.

I think whomever had her phone "may" have returned it to her without the battery to prevent her from being able to use it.

My guess is that she got in to an ugly disagreement with her friends. Needed to get some air - cool her head. I think she left her purse inside. I think they might have taken her purse outside to her - but removed her car keys and her phone battery. Maybe also her cash and credit cards.

I think that whomever was involved in her disappearance dropped her purse off there later... in the anonymity of a crowd.

Again... just a theory.

 

[p7byrd]

I think that whomever was involved in her disappearance dropped her purse off there later... in the anonymity of a crowd.

And suspiciously returning to the scene of the crime, where they can be spotted, and when they could easily dispose/bury/ or keep the purse? Interesting, to say the least. I wonder if this is common behavior of abductors. (going back to the scene and intentionally planting misleading evidence. Seems risky)

 

[hoppyfrog]

There is an interesting dream sequence posted in the comments section (it's at the very bottom, as of now. Just do a Cntl F and put in Stephanie Almaguer. (Not what we want to read, but if it's true, it would at least be closure)
Am I allowed to quote/post her dream here? I thought there was a dream thread, but could only find the astrology thread and one of the posts there said to put dreams on the 'regular' thread.

You may if you also provide a link to it.

Hoppy

 

[wanttohelp]

here is some views of bridge

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[newshound6]

And suspiciously returning to the scene of the crime, where they can be spotted, and when they could easily dispose/bury/ or keep the purse? Interesting, to say the least. I wonder if this is common behavior of abductors. (going back to the scene and intentionally planting misleading evidence. Seems risky)

I don't believe an abductor would return to plant a piece of evidence especially in this situation when she actually vanished(allegedly)from a site really close to where the purse was found.Also throw in the possibility of someone finding a purse on the ground rummaging through it , throwing it down a few paces down the road-then somebody else turning it in- to an attendant a little bit further away-the EXACT location where it was found(within the general vicinity) may not be accurate.The precise location of the purse is only important in hindsight.

 

[MeoW333]

I, too, doubt that someone would return to the area to rid of the purse after they grabbed her.
If she was abducted near that area, either her or the perp could have threw the purse then and there, or if she was being chased she could have threw it running.
Obviously she would know that no one knows exactly where she was at the time and she had no means of reaching anyone (no cell phone, no car, no friends nearby) she was alone. If she used it to "mark" her trail, then where is the battery?
LE said the phone wasn't important. Maybe when she last spoke to her "friends" the phone battery was dying and she took it out for some reason.. we also hear that if any witnesses were asked by Morgan to borrow their phone so she could make a call, i would guess her phone died before then.

Where the purse was found is where sighting #5 of her was, which is the second to last sighting.
The last one being the bridge #6 if it is true she was really hitchhiking and it was her.
I am curious to see bank video footage of a hitchhiker. They should be able to tell if she had her pocketbook with her in the footage.
If not, i'm say she dropped it in the grassy field area prior.

Either she was abducted somewhere around where the purse was found and where she was seen talking to the BB players and the hitchhiking info from witnesses hasn't been confirmed yet possibly? Her being on the bridge does fit the pattern in the direction she was heading from sighting 1-6 since leaving the arena. The weird thing being that the purse is found near sighting 5. Then we have sighting #6 on the bridge and i see no reason why a perp or Morgan would double back to ditch a pocketbook.

 

[lilacwine]

Remember that girl who was mistaken for Morgan in some earlier sightings? I hope that SOMEHOW they can all the sightings straightened out because this seems to be far too tangled for me.

 

[Tuba]

Amy Melvin was the other friend at the concert but the officer's last name was Herrick or very close to that.