Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #9

[eeyorelrn]

Yeah facebook friends are an interesting phenomenon...I have a lot of people on mine that I would either A) not know how to contact in an emergency or B) not want to contact in an emergency.

Hmmm, I must be backwards.... I have all of my online friends and such on my MySpace account. I keep my Facebook strickly people that I know personally- like co-workers, old high schools friends, family, current friends. Since I have some personal information on my facebook (ie addy, phone #, etc.) I make sure that I only add people I know and trust.

(Then again that lil slice of wisdom could be because I am older, a lil more worldly, and quite frankly, don't want to talk to people who freakin annoy me... LOL :innocent

 

[Mia]

The leftmost girl & guy seem like a couple; that is, the guy who looks like a basketball player (long arm, big hands, short hair) and the laughing blond. The rightmost girl & guy look like a couple, too.

The Black guy looks like the same guy with Morgan in the classroom photo: enlarge & zoom on the facial hair. Maybe both Morgan & another girl were involved with him. Could he be the mystery guy described as "another girl's BF"? And, she was rumored (perhaps totally unfairly) to have stolen another girl's BF?

On another board discussing a totally unrelated topic, a poster attached a photo of someone making gang hand symbols, which looked like two peace symbols but pointed sideways at each other. Maybe as a joke MH was making a gang symbol. Or the symbol "2"? Her saying was "2 for 1." Maybe that was a joke, too.

From what I understand, outside of music industry professionals, Blacks do not follow metal; and, yes, I know that there are probably plenty of exceptions. Is it possible that witnesses would have particularly noticed their party inside the arena, if the mystery guy happened to be Black? Or does Metallica draw a multicultural audience? I like metal, but haven't been to a concert in years.


Classroom photo:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...24546575&aid=-1&oid=162224546575&id=505480153

One of my best friends is black, and he is a HUGE heavy metal fan - Megadeath, Metallica, Nine Inch Nails, etc - and he is certainly not a music professional (he is a an IT guy). Me thinks you need to expose yourself to a wider variety of people from different backgrounds - you'll find these generalizations just don't apply!

 

[Mia]

I guess LE must have a suspect in mind. I think thats why there has been no searches and no tv conferences. I guess they r waiting till that someone makes a mistake and leads them to Morgan.

Do you really think so? I wish this were true, but I just don't think it is. I have followed a ton of cases on WS where LE isn't releasing ANY more information, no more press conferences, etc., and it was speculated that they were zooming in on a suspect and that must be why they are so quiet. In all these, cases, however, silence meantt one thing: they had nothing. Whereas in cases where LE did have a suspect(s) in mind and an arrest was imminent, information was being released left and right, both officially and anonymously.

Like I said I hope LE knows who harmed Morgan and are just waiting for this person to slip up and make a mistake. However their silence tells me this just isn't true. They've got nothing.

IMO

 

[weetziebat]

Do you really think so? I wish this were true, but I just don't think it is. I have followed a ton of cases on WS where LE isn't releasing ANY more information, no more press conferences, etc., and it was speculated that they were zooming in on a suspect and that must be why they are so quiet. In all these, cases, however, silence meantt one thing: they had nothing. Whereas in cases where LE did have a suspect(s) in mind and an arrest was imminent, information was being released left and right, both officially and anonymously.

Like I said I hope LE knows who harmed Morgan and are just waiting for this person to slip up and make a mistake. However their silence tells me this just isn't true. They've got nothing.

IMO

Sadly, think I'm beginning to agree with you. Somehow it just does not strike me LE is sitting around waiting for a known suspect to do ?what?
- I fear Morgan may just be fading into history, and hope I'm wrong.

 

[Walker]

One of my best friends is black, and he is a HUGE heavy metal fan - Megadeath, Metallica, Nine Inch Nails, etc - and he is certainly not a music professional (he is a an IT guy). Me thinks you need to expose yourself to a wider variety of people from different backgrounds - you'll find these generalizations just don't apply!

I said that there were exceptions.


Interesting. No one will answer my question. What percentage of the audience in Charlottesville that night at the Metallica concert would have been Black?

Let's be honest. 1%? So if Morgan were there with the guy in those two photos, people might be more likely to notice her party.

But I wonder if maybe actually none of them attended?

Her father believed that her car never left Harrisburg. Maybe she OD'd or something at JMU. They ditched her pocketbook etc. The sightings were all staged or plain falsifications. But we don't know why her father believed that the car never left Harrisburg.

 

[cat thief]

I said that there were exceptions.


Interesting. No one will answer my question. What percentage of the audience in Charlottesville that night at the Metallica concert would have been Black?

Let's be honest. 1%? So if Morgan were there with the guy in those two photos, people might be more likely to notice her party.

But I wonder if maybe actually none of them attended?

Her father believed that her car never left Harrisburg. Maybe she OD'd or something at JMU. They ditched her pocketbook etc. The sightings were all staged or plain falsifications. But we don't know why her father believed that the car never left Harrisburg.

I see your point. My guess is less than 1/2 %

 

[LogicalMinds]

Sometimes silence means that LE is hard and work and holding back to make their case..and yes, sometimes it might mean they just have nothing

I find it so very disturbing that Virginia did not even give Cassandra's case media coverage....I also find it odd that LE did not even seem to consider tying these two cases together....

as for the friends?? I feel 2 ways about it....I think that the intense media scrutiny and yes, blogs, forums, even ones like this...are a two edged sword...on one hand they get the info out there....but on another they expose people so much that in the future those associated with a case/victim/crime might just clam up...and with good reason

on another board a guy who is an rso was scoped...no real link to the case...his rso picture shown...and his recent wedding pictures...including all of his friends, co workers etc...is that right? I dont think so

facebook and my space have resulted in people losing jobs, etc...what if her "friends' have pics of them partying, have minor violations, stuff they don't want their school, prospective grad school/med/law etc school to find out ?? what if they are worried about future employment??

I can only HOPE that LE has totally checked them out and found no connection....therefore is NOT making them go public

I do think it would help get the "word" out about Morgan...but at some point what does that accomplish?? This seems to be more and more a case of opportunity, circumstance...running into the wrong person/s

sadly some of these people are found like Cassandra..when someone is out walking their dog

I do think that there should be more "info" out there...on all missing people, not just the chosen/media annointed ones....I think LE agencies should work together....the victims deserve it...and the public deserves it to stop future victims. Yes, some cases are pretty "obvious"....ie, young wife goes missing, hubby is the one...but others?? It sounds like there may be a serial killer/s roaming Virginia...time for them to bring the cases into the open and let the public know what is going on JMO

 

[secretagent]

Music isn't a moral issue; but rather just a matter of taste. Liking metal doesn't mean that you are good; but it doesn't mean you are bad either. Saying one group doesn't tend to follow metal doesn't reflect either positively or negatively on them.

Interestingly, no one has answered my question: if you were actually in the audience that night, what percentage of the audience would be Black?

(Because I am thinking that if the percentage were low, we might have heard some witnesses describing Morgan as accompanied by two White women & one Black man or maybe some other combination of Black & White men and women; the photo might represent her main social group or at least part of it).

I'd be willing to bet the black attendance at this show was less than 1% of ticket sales. And i don't think hes off base.

 

[newshound6]

I'd be willing to bet the black attendance at this show was less than 1% of ticket sales. And i don't think hes off base.

I've been away from here a while- why the intense interest in how many African Americans are metal fans?? What am I missing??

 

[Emmy]

I'd like to know more about Morgan's saying being "two for one" please?

Also, I took a look at the classroom photo, downloaded it and used a viewer that let me enlarge the photo. Although the photo lost a good bit of resolution, it was easy to see that Morgan was flashing a peace sign.

What looks like a third finger on her hand is simply a light section of the animal print blouse that her friend is wearing.

On another board discussing a totally unrelated topic, a poster attached a photo of someone making gang hand symbols, which looked like two peace symbols but pointed sideways at each other. Maybe as a joke MH was making a gang symbol. Or the symbol "2"? Her saying was "2 for 1." Maybe that was a joke, too.

Classroom photo:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?p...24546575&aid=-1&oid=162224546575&id=505480153

 

[sarah7855]

I wonder if that was Dee on the video and not Morgan and they realized it later?

In the beginning everybody thought DS was Morgan and her family was viewing that video and even they said they were having a hard time deciding if it was Morgan. That might be what DH was refering to.

I agree with this conclusion 100%

 

[part time prof]

I'd like to know more about Morgan's saying being "two for one" please?

Also, I took a look at the classroom photo, downloaded it and used a viewer that let me enlarge the photo. Although the photo lost a good bit of resolution, it was easy to see that Morgan was flashing a peace sign.

What looks like a third finger on her hand is simply a light section of the animal print blouse that her friend is wearing.

2-4-1 is something the family uses meaning "I love you TOO much, FORever, and ONE more," iirc.

 

[Wes]

I've been away from here a while- why the intense interest in how many African Americans are metal fans?? What am I missing??

I presume it's in regards to speculation over one of her friends. It hasn't been released who the male friend was, but if he was at the concert and was African-American, then it'd likely be easy to spot him there.

 

[Emmy]

Doh! (facepalm!) Thank you part time prof.

2-4-1 is something the family uses meaning "I love you TOO much, FORever, and ONE more," iirc.

 

[secretagent]

I presume it's in regards to speculation over one of her friends. It hasn't been released who the male friend was, but if he was at the concert and was African-American, then it'd likely be easy to spot him there.

Yay! Exactly! You saw the forest for the trees!

 

[Lindsaym]

I hear what you are saying, though if I thought I knew who had grabbed and hurt my friend, silence would not be the option I would choose. I might be scared, but what is the alternative? To let him/her hurt someone else? I don't think I could have that on my conscience

Of course. I am assuming, however, that they CAN'T help much more because 1) they have told the police everything they know, and 2) the media blitz about Morgan has been ongoing for some time, and the media burns out on stories quickly; one of the friends coming forward, constrained only to repeat the same old tale we've heard, would not do much to invigorate media coverage. Moreover, because their silence is so absolute (and so unusual), the most likely and logical conclusion is that they have been instructed not to talk by LE, and I assume LE issued this instruction for a very good reason. This is where, in the other post, I made a wild guess that maybe they've been told not to talk for their own safety.

And frankly, if that's the case, I don't think it's cowardly or wrong of them to keep quiet, even if talking could generate more awareness in the public. Seriously, if your daughter could raise awareness about her missing friend but it required drawing danger to herself, would you advocate that?? At this late date? When there was no guarantee it would lead to any good news? I mean, all of us are here because we are concerned for the safety of a girl; surely, then, we would not want other girls to endanger themselves, particularly when LE themselves apparently don't think anything good would come of Morgan's friends talking to the public. This isn't a television drama, where some heroine is going to put herself out there as bait to catch a killer. This is real life, and if we value one girl's safety, we also should value another's.

Sorry if I sound frustrated, I just think it's time we give her friends a break. Until and IF that time should come when we actually have information that allows us to form judgments about why they aren't talking, it just seems kinder NOT to continue to criticize and rail against them for their silence, because it's far more likely than not that they have a very good reason for it/a request by LE to remain silent.

 

[MeoW333]

there is a site that i think you may find interesting that discuss her interview. i think it was ***********

sorry i guess its against tos

I know exactly which site you mean, and yes it's against TOS. It's the only site i could find the video of SS.

 

[MeoW333]

Of course. I am assuming, however, that they CAN'T help much more because 1) they have told the police everything they know, and 2) the media blitz about Morgan has been ongoing for some time, and the media burns out on stories quickly; one of the friends coming forward, constrained only to repeat the same old tale we've heard, would not do much to invigorate media coverage. Moreover, because their silence is so absolute (and so unusual), the most likely and logical conclusion is that they have been instructed not to talk by LE, and I assume LE issued this instruction for a very good reason. This is where, in the other post, I made a wild guess that maybe they've been told not to talk for their own safety.

And frankly, if that's the case, I don't think it's cowardly or wrong of them to keep quiet, even if talking could generate more awareness in the public. Seriously, if your daughter could raise awareness about her missing friend but it required drawing danger to herself, would you advocate that?? At this late date? When there was no guarantee it would lead to any good news? I mean, all of us are here because we are concerned for the safety of a girl; surely, then, we would not want other girls to endanger themselves, particularly when LE themselves apparently don't think anything good would come of Morgan's friends talking to the public. This isn't a television drama, where some heroine is going to put herself out there as bait to catch a killer. This is real life, and if we value one girl's safety, we also should value another's.

Sorry if I sound frustrated, I just think it's time we give her friends a break. Until and IF that time should come when we actually have information that allows us to form judgments about why they aren't talking, it just seems kinder NOT to continue to criticize and rail against them for their silence, because it's far more likely than not that they have a very good reason for it/a request by LE to remain silent.

If Morgan's friends were in that much danger, LE would put a security detail on them, so IMO i doubt it's the case..
Maybe their lawyers are the ones telling them not to talk.?

 

[quiqui]

Hmmm, I must be backwards.... I have all of my online friends and such on my MySpace account. I keep my Facebook strickly people that I know personally- like co-workers, old high schools friends, family, current friends. Since I have some personal information on my facebook (ie addy, phone #, etc.) I make sure that I only add people I know and trust.

(Then again that lil slice of wisdom could be because I am older, a lil more worldly, and quite frankly, don't want to talk to people who freakin annoy me... LOL :innocent

Hehe I had similar annoying people on my myspace too and ended up deleting it! :crazy: I don't think you are backwards, everyone does facebook differently.

I have a lot of people on my facebook from high school/college that I'm not super close with - as in not close enough to ask them to come pick me up if I was stranded.

Facebook was created while I was a sophomore in college and over those first years I collected a lot of acquaintances - people in classes that I needed to get in contact with for projects, dorm mates - but not necessarily super close friends. Also, as is expected with college kids, people disperse after graduation and wouldn't be immediately available to help.

Back at the beginning you had to attend one of the selected colleges (have an active email account) that were set up for facebook. It was more of a limited college campus networking site than a far reaching social network.

It has obviously grown and changed a lot since then. I don't add/keep people I don't trust, but I definitely have a category of friends that fall between untrustworthy and people I'd contact in an emergency.

 

[Javabean]

Of course. I am assuming, however, that they CAN'T help much more because 1) they have told the police everything they know, and 2) the media blitz about Morgan has been ongoing for some time, and the media burns out on stories quickly; one of the friends coming forward, constrained only to repeat the same old tale we've heard, would not do much to invigorate media coverage. Moreover, because their silence is so absolute (and so unusual), the most likely and logical conclusion is that they have been instructed not to talk by LE, and I assume LE issued this instruction for a very good reason. This is where, in the other post, I made a wild guess that maybe they've been told not to talk for their own safety.

And frankly, if that's the case, I don't think it's cowardly or wrong of them to keep quiet, even if talking could generate more awareness in the public. Seriously, if your daughter could raise awareness about her missing friend but it required drawing danger to herself, would you advocate that?? At this late date? When there was no guarantee it would lead to any good news? I mean, all of us are here because we are concerned for the safety of a girl; surely, then, we would not want other girls to endanger themselves, particularly when LE themselves apparently don't think anything good would come of Morgan's friends talking to the public. This isn't a television drama, where some heroine is going to put herself out there as bait to catch a killer. This is real life, and if we value one girl's safety, we also should value another's.

Sorry if I sound frustrated, I just think it's time we give her friends a break. Until and IF that time should come when we actually have information that allows us to form judgments about why they aren't talking, it just seems kinder NOT to continue to criticize and rail against them for their silence, because it's far more likely than not that they have a very good reason for it/a request by LE to remain silent.

I understand your frustration. I sincerely HOPE the reason for the friends being so quiet is that LE has requested they be.

You asked, "Seriously, if your daughter could raise awareness about her missing friend but it required drawing danger to herself, would you advocate that??"

I would say if there were someone out there that was a danger to the public who had already snatched one of her friends, you bet I'd want her to speak out. I don't think it's ok to say "as long as my child is safe, it's ok if something happens to someone else's child". (I know this isn't what you were saying, but I think in this scenario, it could come down to that..) I think that is a problem with today's society.... people don't want to get involved,and as long as they and theirs are ok, then that is enough.

I'd say what makes us a civilized society would be that we DO get involved and DO speak up..... history is full of examples of what happens when good people don't speak up. A quick example is Secret Agent Mom driving around (and I know others have too, it's just her name that comes to mind!) the area Morgan was last seen. I think we have some of the most amazing, dedicated people here on these boards! I'd be proud to have them as friends!

I truly hope once Morgan is found, that we find out the reason her friend have been so silent is because they were instructed to by LE. I still think, though, that even if they were instructed NOT to speak about specifics at all, that they could still provide some basic clarification and help keep the case "alive". Even if LE has a specific suspect and does not want them alluding to this, keeping the case in the news puts pressure on him/her. With pressure comes the possibility of this person(s) making mistakes and thus getting caught. If this case goes cold, we can probably imagine the chances of it being solved

So yes, I am the type of person who will speak up and who will encourage others to speak up even if it means I have to watch my back, because I think it's the right thing to do. I sometimes wish I wasn't this way (life would be simpler!) but I'm not and I guess to some extent I have to be thankful for that.