Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #9

[Janeumayer]

If I am not mistaken, it has already been discussed, and the woman that looks like morgan that is down by the stage has already publically identified herself and verified that it is her in the videos near the stage at the concert that night. (Multiple mentions in the previous threads on this case, she was even on NG I believe.)

The video I am talking about is a new one. Here are the screen shots of it. The girl on it has really long wavy hair like Morgan's. Dee is on the other side of the stage during Lamb of God.

The video can be seen here:

vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=64320471&searchid=5f78872c-443d-45f2-828e-c8ff4261fef8l

 

[LogicalMinds]

Ok...please take your time reading all of this, there is a lot of information. Some of it, I have labeled clearly as RUMORS, and these should not be treated as fact.

RUMOR! (from a Roanoke resident who's family knows the Harrington Family)
*Allegedly, Morgan has used drugs in the past (which is pretty typical of kids that age)
*Allegedly, Morgan had been known to take off on her own from time to time, leaving her friends to go off and hang out with other groups of friends. Allegedly, many of her friends had become annoyed with this bad habit. Suppossudly on the night of the concert, her friends left without her, because taking off with others/finding her own ride was something she typically did-allegedly.

SCENARIO'S provided by friends of MH's family and friends (these are the common scenarios from the Roanoke Community who knew her):

1. MH was under the influence of drugs, which may have put her in a manic mood (typical of Cocaine) where she felt on top of the world, safe, and invincible OR she was under the infulence of a downer, like alcohol and was confused, disoriented and not in her right fram of mind. She hitch hiked/accepted a ride with the wrong person.

2. MH got in the car with someone she knew, but did not know well, and in a drug induced moment, something went terribly wrong. Ideas have been someone else who was stranded outside and used that to befriend her, or a friend she had made only recently, someone who didn't know and love her the way a life long friend would.

The general consensus is that if she had OD'd or had alcohol poisioning, the friends she was with would have called for help.

My OBSERATIONS at JPJ:
1. I did not see a single sign for the SMOKING AREA. In fact, people near me in the stands were smoking in their seats! (didn't help my head cold!) By the time I left I never found the smoking area, or the ATM, lol!
2. My ticket, which was a print off from Ticketmaster, with a bar code, made NO MENTION of a ZERO RE ADMITTANCE Policy
3. I did not see a single sign that said ZERO RE ADMITTANCE from the arena. When I left early, around 11pm, alone, NOT ONE Guard or Police Officer said "If you leave you can't come back in." (Since MH's disapperance, we knew my friend couldn't get back in if he walked out and waited with me, so we asked where there were cabs, and the police officer sent me in the WRONG direction, there were no cabs where he said...but luckily, I stopped one with people in it and asked the driver to call one for me!)
4. I noticed that on campus, there were Blue Emergency Boxes every 200 feet or so. On the block surrounding the arena, there was NOT ONE Blue Emergency Box.
5. The arena isn't easy to walk around on the outside. There isn't a little sidewalk that surrounds the arena, just a few feet away from the building. You would have to walk all the way out, and down the street and around. I am not sure how many doors she would have tried to get back in, because that wouldn't have been very easy. This is probably why poor Morgan crossed the Copley Street Bridge...if only she would have walked around to see Emmet Street, there is a Taco Bell and a large shopping center in close proximity, and Emmet is a much busier road, so it would have been safer.
6. The hallways inside JPJ are pretty easy to walk through and there were UVA JPJ Staff everywhere.
7. The parking lots were fairly well lit, and the main roads nearby, when I left, had police barricades set up to deal with traffic.
8. In order to buy beer, you had to get a wristband or an X to state that you were 21. That made it easy for other security guards to identify anyone underage walking around with booze.
9. Sadly, there were ZERO SIGNS FOR MISSING MORGAN INSIDE the arena.

Am I missing anything? If you have any questions about the arena, let me know!

I edited for misspellings!

Thanks for this info

the basketball player has apparently been cleared so that is kind of a moot point I think

I think it is interesting that they are saying maybe someone she recently met..or did not know so well? Or ..

this is my idea>> maybe a guy that her parents/friends didn't like??

that would be one reason she might leave the arena..to see a guy she liked but was not part of her "acceptable" group?

 

[Janeumayer]

No one would purposely leave a concert because they can't find their friend(s) because they know they will not be able to get back in. Especially before the main band gets on stage. You can get back with your friends without alot of difficulty simply by waiting in the area you were all seated. I have gone thru this dozens of times in the largest arenas and none of my group has ever been lost.

I feel more that she left to meet an ex boyfriend and that it was prearranged (her friends not panicing over her leaving the arena) and perhaps this meeting did not go as planned. IMOO

It does makes sense if they left and took her car. S. says in her statement that " they wouldn't have done it if they didn't think it was ok." My guess is that they left her by the stage and she thought they left her.

 

[Mountain Mama]

I feel so much better having gotten these new perspectives, Thanks Virginia Doll!!

I'd be curious to know if the friends smoke cigarettes. It could help narrow down if she would or wouldn't sneak off for a cigarette. (Some smokers tend to feel guilty about smoking when hanging with non-smokers).

If the friends smoked cigarettes too, then being as she was in the 300s section (and its a veritible free for all up there) more than likely she would have just smoked in her seat like others were doing.

If the friends did not smoke I can see MH slipping outside during her bathroom break to hit a smoke. (Not realizing about NO RE-ENTRY -- which is sounding more plausible given the fact that signs aren't up/tickets don't say and security guards are not necessarily telling everyone.)

I've felt from the get-go that it was important to figure out why she went out.
I don't think she went out of the arena to meet a guy. If she was meeting up with a dude, he would have bought a ticket and met her inside IMO. We have every reason to believe she was very into Metallica. IMO She was forced outside or went out for a cigarette.

When my hubby first told me about what happened that night at JPJ, my gut reaction was that she was forced out of the arena. I know that they search people for guns, but for some reason that was my first thought. I'd be interested in what other WS'ers first thoughts were. Because my gut is right a lot, and I'm sure yours is too.

I think somebody pulled a gun to her at some point, and yes, more than likely not inside the arena, but out in the dark, cold night. When I was her age I didn't know that you never let a criminal take you away from crime scene A to Crime scene B. In other words if somebody pulls a gun, you don't go with them. They're trying to get you away from crime scene A, and what happens at Crime Scene B will certainly mean death. So what I am trying to say is that MH may not have known that. If a SK or other freak pulled a gun, I could see her getting in a vehicle to try and appease them.

Another theory I've considered:

We haven't had any sightings to prove otherwise, but what if somebody discretely followed her out of the concert when she exited. Security have there hands full and wouldn't necessarily take note of that. They didn't know that a woman was going to go missing that night!

This whole hitch-hiking thing is so weird, but it sounds like those close to her are considering it as a possibility. I think its LE's way of throwing the perp off.

On a positive note, we have been saying all this Hush-hush could be because LE want to get their man, right? Well now we know that they did have a POI, and I think the investigation is better off without them releasing info.

Now that we think there is a decent possibility that MH had a history of going off with different groups of people; I can better understand the friends not being completely alarmed by her decision to find a ride with somebody else. We think she is an outgoing gal, perhaps the one who took her was a good looking guy. It would make sense to me. Those good looking SKs can really get around, and a few of us on here think a SK is making his rounds. Maybe the FBI really are still following this closely. Let's hope so!

 

[Janeumayer]

Originally Posted by VirginiaDoll
Ok...please take your time reading all of this, there is a lot of information. Some of it, I have labeled clearly as RUMORS, and these should not be treated as fact.

RUMOR! (directly from a friend who works in the Athletic Department at UVA)
*2 basketball players took leave of absences after being questioned, and according to my friend, allegedly one was considered their prime suspect for approx. 9 days. He was interviewed multiple times and has now, suppossudly been cleared. This student is coming back from leave, so I don't want to share the initials.

Respectfully snipped.

Thank you, VD!

Wondering if they let him go bc they do not have a body but are following him, etc.? Maybe they r waiting for him to make a mistake?

 

[clarabelle]

It does makes sense if they left and took her car. S. says in her statement that " they wouldn't have done it if they didn't think it was ok." My guess is that they left her by the stage and she thought they left her.

From my personal experience it wasn't unusual at a concert to get separated from your friends because they (or me) wanted to get closer to the stage or ran to the bathroom and found a better spot to sit/stand on one's way back. If anyone was separated for the entire concert friends would wait in the seats or section you were originally in and as people cleared out you would inevitably find each other. But that was back in the day and my friends and I looked out for each other.

I could maybe see that if her friends didn't have her car or if at least they were closer to home. If someone decided to take off to go elsewhere they would let you know and tell you who they were going with. "Hey I ran into my old girl scout troop and we are going to head out for milk shakes." :dance: But still you'd be invited to go along. I don't know. Maybe her relationship with her friends was different.

 

[Spacemonkey1975]

In regards to going out for a smoke or whatever; During the meat of a show there is always staff at any exit, if anything to prevent you from opening a one-way door to let ticketless folks in. I've had to leave a few shows early (like way before the encore) and I've always been told by staff/security that you know either get a handstamp or there is no re-entry. Like I wrote earlier when the show is in its last 30 minutes or so they don't bother telling you, I normally roll out of a show right at or before the encore to beat traffic and have found this is normal.

My point? Even if she just dipped out to smoke and couldn't find the smoking "patio", (I didn't see it, not that I looked for it though) a staff member would have almost certainly told her no reentry at that early time. Also much has been said of her being an avid music fan, (the All Good Festival shirt tells me so much) makes me think she has seen many shows and would've came across this common feature of arenas and amphitheaters. Now it could be she was warned but just figured she'd charm her way back in, or maybe she went out looking for a party. (there was the quote of the guy from NJ stating she said who cares about the opening band I'm here for Metallica), she got outside realized it was pretty dead, tried to get back in and was shut down and then who knows?

 

[Chili Fries]

We've discussed before that if she were very intoxicated that may have led her to leave the arena, especially if she were on ecstacy or mushrooms. Both of those drugs can cause you to feel very overstimulated by noise or lights or a crowd and make you feel like you have to get to a quieter, less intense area. Also both of those drugs take a while to kick in after you have taken them so she could have started feeling the effect after she got into the arena. I could easily see her making an impulsive decision to step outside and get some fresh air.

If they were that serious about a basketball player but have now ruled him out it kinda makes me think they don't have much else in the way of suspects.

 

[distracted]

Thanks for this info

the basketball player has apparently been cleared so that is kind of a moot point I think

I think it is interesting that they are saying maybe someone she recently met..or did not know so well? Or ..

this is my idea>> maybe a guy that her parents/friends didn't like??

that would be one reason she might leave the arena..to see a guy she liked but was not part of her "acceptable" group?

Or, maybe someone she met on Facebook.

 

[neese]

I'm trying to post a new message but can't figure out how so I am replying. I am in Roanoke, Va., born and raised. I only signed up on websleuths after Caylee and Haleigh, but now that Morgan hits so close to home, I wanted to see if I could get some updates. Our local news nor Nancy Grace mentions much about her anymore. I have a stepdaughter at JMU that graduated from Northside and a step-niece that attends Radford that graduated from Northside, along with tons of their friends I still keep in contact with that all have an interest in Morgan on their facebook pages, however it doesn't seem like much is really being mentioned. One girls does show up in alot of the pics I have seen of Morgan and that girl was a best friend to my stepdaughter a few years back. I won't name her but her initials are AJM. What I am trying to find out is, what are the names of the friends that were with her that night at the concert. My stepdaughter and I do not remain in contact after divorce so I haven't been able to ask her what all she knows but the circle of same friends they have are endless. I've tried reading through these posts but after about page 8, I just wanted to post and ask, are there any updates and what are the names of the friends she was with. I know plenty of people at Tech and UVA also that know her and it seems like everyone has just went on with their lives and not that concerned and that in itself.......concerns me. Thanks.

 

[MeoW333]

I just thought about this.

I was reading a post in Facebook by the security guard who was distressed cause he could not help Morgan and he said something like she went outside looking for her friends and could not re-enter the arena.

If you look at the video I posted during Lamb of God, it seems that Morgan was down by the stage during their act. Let's assume she was alone down there. When Lamb of God finishes their act she tries to get back to her friends at their assigned seats and does not find them. She calls or texts them and they cannot be reached or she has no reception. Thinks they went outside or left the concert so she goes outside. Goes and checks her car or whatever car they all drove in and it still is in the lot. Calls her friends again and reaches them and they tell her that they are indeed inside the arena so she should go back in. She tries but gets denied. Tells her friends this and they suggest other entrances. She gets denied again and then she vanishes.

This seems like a very possible scenario. Huge concerts like that are so crowded, it's a sea of people. Back in the day when we used to go it was one of the reasons we stuck together with the buddy system and whatnot.
IMO, you give a good theory.
Morgan could have went outside to look for her friends if she either:
A. got confused and couldn't find them (a lot of times seating looks similiar and keep in mind a ton of people are milling about making it harder to see)
Sometimes it is so crowded that it takes forever to walk through the crowd
B. Morgan's friends left the seats for whatever reason making it harder to find where they were and also if they weren't in their seats she would have to go look for them, which is a very hard task at a crowded concert.

This certainly would be a good explanation as to why she went outside..

 

[MeoW333]

Career criminal is an interesting thought. The cab driver seemd sure that someone PLANNED to take her for good and that's why the battery was missing from her phone.

He said he thinks she walked back to the parking lot after the 7 Eleven to wait for friends, at least with a snack or a little drink of something, and thats where she was snatched.

Morgan is a hot topic in Charlottesville...everyone has a theory. I just really hope that peole are sharing on findmorgan and on sites like this.

This is very interesting, i remember awhile ago reading that Morgan had went to the 7 Eleven.
IMO, i think it's possible maybe she went to get some coffee or something to drink to warm her up before she headed back to wait for her friends.

I've been thinking it may be possible also that maybe her friends ditched her inside the arena (which is why she went outside, she couldn't find them at their seats, looked everywhere, maybe they were ignoring their phones) and then she decided to go outside and look for them. Then she calls them and they answer from inside. Maybe they stay awhile longer and then leave the place completely.
It could have been some type of mean joke they were playing on her since it was said (rumored?) that she would go off and leave her friends a lot.
Maybe they wanted to turn the tables on her.. although the "joke" turned out deadly. This would mean that her friends would be guilty of ditching her there and nothing else. This is all my opinion, and also i don't see the friends as caring individuals towards Morgan..

 

[nervous_nellie]

Thanks for this info

the basketball player has apparently been cleared so that is kind of a moot point I think

I think it is interesting that they are saying maybe someone she recently met..or did not know so well? Or ..

this is my idea>> maybe a guy that her parents/friends didn't like??

that would be one reason she might leave the arena..to see a guy she liked but was not part of her "acceptable" group?

well, the thought of her friends being ticked off with her because she ditched them for some other people at the concert sounds plausible...i speak only from experience, lol years ago when i partied a lot and went to concerts,etc. i was very much like that and sometimes friends ended up feeling ignored, used & pizzed at me and understandably so. especially if she was trying to go along with her parents ideals to make them happy and not worry about her. i keep going back to the statement ss made about how they wouldnt of done "it" if they had known...could be they wouldnt have left without her(in anger) if they knew things would turn out like this. if this type of behavior was typical for her then they probably wouldnt have thought anything was wrong/different than all the other times that this happened...was it virginiadoll that also said that someone said that she went outside to look for her friends? what if they left a lot earlier than they said they did? it doesnt explain all the calls and/or texting but without seeing the pings or records from the phone co. they dont really prove where anyone was or wasnt...

 

[nervous_nellie]

This is very interesting, i remember awhile ago reading that Morgan had went to the 7 Eleven.
IMO, i think it's possible maybe she went to get some coffee or something to drink to warm her up before she headed back to wait for her friends.

I've been thinking it may be possible also that maybe her friends ditched her inside the arena (which is why she went outside, she couldn't find them at their seats, looked everywhere, maybe they were ignoring their phones) and then she decided to go outside and look for them. Then she calls them and they answer from inside. Maybe they stay awhile longer and then leave the place completely.
It could have been some type of mean joke they were playing on her since it was said (rumored?) that she would go off and leave her friends a lot.
Maybe they wanted to turn the tables on her.. although the "joke" turned out deadly. This would mean that her friends would be guilty of ditching her there and nothing else. This is all my opinion, and also i don't see the friends as caring individuals towards Morgan..

yep - this is what im thinkin too...

 

[Walker]

This is very interesting, i remember awhile ago reading that Morgan had went to the 7 Eleven.
IMO, i think it's possible maybe she went to get some coffee or something to drink to warm her up before she headed back to wait for her friends.

I've been thinking it may be possible also that maybe her friends ditched her inside the arena (which is why she went outside, she couldn't find them at their seats, looked everywhere, maybe they were ignoring their phones) and then she decided to go outside and look for them. Then she calls them and they answer from inside. Maybe they stay awhile longer and then leave the place completely.
It could have been some type of mean joke they were playing on her since it was said (rumored?) that she would go off and leave her friends a lot.
Maybe they wanted to turn the tables on her.. although the "joke" turned out deadly. This would mean that her friends would be guilty of ditching her there and nothing else. This is all my opinion, and also i don't see the friends as caring individuals towards Morgan..

Could she have been tricked by text messages to go outside? Then, the joke was that she couldn't get back in? Maybe one of the girls was jealous and hated her. But couldn't MH intuit such feelings? Call her parents for help?

 

[kid]

Hi, I'm new!:seeya:

I've been thinking it may be possible also that maybe her friends ditched her inside the arena (which is why she went outside, she couldn't find them at their seats, looked everywhere, maybe they were ignoring their phones) and then she decided to go outside and look for them. Then she calls them and they answer from inside. Maybe they stay awhile longer and then leave the place completely.
It could have been some type of mean joke they were playing on her since it was said (rumored?) that she would go off and leave her friends a lot.
Maybe they wanted to turn the tables on her.. although the "joke" turned out deadly. This would mean that her friends would be guilty of ditching her there and nothing else. This is all my opinion, and also i don't see the friends as caring individuals towards Morgan..

I just wanted to add to this theory... Maybe Morgan's friends purposefully lead her to believe that they were outside of the arena because they were upset at her for ditching them at a party (believe me, cattier things have happened in girl world). They could have been txting her telling her to come outside, maybe saying that they were about to drive back home. Since they had Morgan's car keys, she couldn't really argue, so she went outside.

 

[Javabean]

We've discussed before that if she were very intoxicated that may have led her to leave the arena, especially if she were on ecstacy or mushrooms. Both of those drugs can cause you to feel very overstimulated by noise or lights or a crowd and make you feel like you have to get to a quieter, less intense area. Also both of those drugs take a while to kick in after you have taken them so she could have started feeling the effect after she got into the arena. I could easily see her making an impulsive decision to step outside and get some fresh air.

If they were that serious about a basketball player but have now ruled him out it kinda makes me think they don't have much else in the way of suspects.

BBM

Yes... I thought the same thing...

 

[wanttohelp]

i would just like to thank shannon and virginiadoll, whom by the way are the only 2 acounts of heresay that has been reported hear at ws and was CLEARLY stated as that. i hope any sites who wish to criticize this welcomed and helpful discussion does not go and post the info as coming from them and as a matter of fact.
:twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents:

 

[Javabean]

Hi, I'm new!:seeya:



I just wanted to add to this theory... Maybe Morgan's friends purposefully lead her to believe that they were outside of the arena because they were upset at her for ditching them at a party (believe me, cattier things have happened in girl world). They could have been txting her telling her to come outside, maybe saying that they were about to drive back home. Since they had Morgan's car keys, she couldn't really argue, so she went outside.

Hi! Oh I really, really want to belive they would not have been this mean!

 

[Javabean]

i would just like to thank shannon and virginiadoll, whom by the way are the only 2 acounts of heresay that has been reported hear at ws and was CLEARLY stated as that. i hope any sites who wish to criticize this welcomed and helpful discussion does not go and post the info as coming from them and as a matter of fact.
:twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents::twocents:

Actually, one site has already slammed it... I can't say the name though (TOS). This site is quite sure the ex-boyfriend or person obsessed with MH is involved, not a random stranger

Any FWIW, I think Virginia Doll is awesome for spending her time asking about Morgan in the very area she went missing. So if anyone wants to slam it, so to speak, I'd like for them to provide all the answers....