GUILTY VA - NFL QB Michael Vick, 3 others indicted for dog fighting, Surry County, 2007

[BOESP]

Aren't the photos of the dogs evidence though? I was listening to a couple of commentators last night saying that just wait until the jury sees them, that Vick will be convicted ~ so I don't know how much truth there is to that, but I was just assuming they'd be allowed like crime scene photos are for a murder trial.

Yes, they are evidence but not all evidence is admitted in court. Judges have various reasons for allowing or disallowing evidence. A case here in Tennessee about eight years ago went all the way to the Tennessee Supreme Court, a puppy mill owner was found guilty on several hundred animal abuse charges, and a Federal charge of tampering with evidence. She was even sentenced to time in the pen. Lo and behold, on appeal, a judge decided all the evidence against her had been gathered illegally and the charges were dropped. Talk about making your blood boil. These judges can rule evidence admissible or inadmissible for many reasons.

Hopefully, Virginia will do better than Tennessee.

 

[Gabbycats Mom]

I'm glad he hasn't accepted the plea deal ~ in other words let him take his chances with a jury who will be shown the horrific photos of the dogs being tortured and he'll also the Federal indictment that will probably include the racketeering charges with lots more prison time. :behindbar He probably thinks he's smarter than everyone else, and that he'll be acquitted, but I'm praying he just made the biggest mistake of his life!!

He probably also thinks that the jury will be awestruck by him and automatically not convict him because he's Michael Vicks.

I hope that this moron gets pinned to the wall. :behindbar

I also hope this episode finally creates a huge public backlash against sports teams, advertisers, and businesses that promote people with shady character & reputations as being cool heros/role models. :furious: :furious: :furious:

 

[Indy Gal]

BYE BYE SICK VICK!!!! I think he is done. IMO only

 

[panthera]

Yes, they are evidence but not all evidence is admitted in court. Judges have various reasons for allowing or disallowing evidence. A case here in Tennessee about eight years ago went all the way to the Tennessee Supreme Court, a puppy mill owner was found guilty on several hundred animal abuse charges, and a Federal charge of tampering with evidence. She was even sentenced to time in the pen. Lo and behold, on appeal, a judge decided all the evidence against her had been gathered illegally and the charges were dropped. Talk about making your blood boil. These judges can rule evidence admissible or inadmissible for many reasons.

Hopefully, Virginia will do better than Tennessee.

Thanks for the info on the other case and it's appalling ~ but isn't this a Federal court where the trial will be held, assuming he doesn't plea out?

 

[panthera]

BYE BYE SICK VICK!!!! I think he is done. IMO only

I can't figure out why they're still talking about him possibly making a plea deal when yesterday I heard he had until 9:00am today to do it, which has long since passed? Why is he getting so much extra time? :banghead:

 

[Buzz Mills]

Buzz, I am sorry too. We cross-posted while I was responding to Ntegrity's post. We citizens who care absolutely must keep the letter-writing and e-mail campaigns going if this goes to trial. We may need to warm up are writing fingers to prepare to write a judge and maybe some Letters-to-the Editor of various newspapers.

BOESP, count me in. Since I recently became an activist, political, and otherwise, I have become quite good at organizing email, and letter, campaigns, on things that wrankle me; i.e., Michael Vick, Illegal Immigration, and the War In Iraq. I'm up for this task.

 

[Buzz Mills]

I can't figure out why they're still talking about him possibly making a plea deal when yesterday I heard he had until 9:00am today to do it, which has long since passed? Why is he getting so much extra time? :banghead:

He thinks he will gain leverage by waiting to see if the Grand Jury will actually indict him on RICCO charges. Bad Newz, Michael, you're going down.

 

[SadieMae]

He thinks he will gain leverage by waiting to see if the Grand Jury will actually indict him on RICCO charges. Bad Newz, Michael, you're going down.

I wonder why that hasn't been done that already.

 

[panthera]

I wonder why that hasn't been done that already.

They're going to convene on Monday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/17/vick/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

 

[BOESP]

Thanks for the info on the other case and it's appalling ~ but isn't this a Federal court where the trial will be held, assuming he doesn't plea out?

Yes, it is a Federal Court for the Vick trial if he doesn't accept the plea. Sorry for the misstatement.

The law that was recently voted on by the house members was a Federal Law and the House Reps from each state voted. Our House of Rep member, David Davis, voted against the Federal Law affecting the transporting of animals across state lines for the purpose of fighting. I get so angry ever time I think of that man I can't think straight. :behindbar

 

[Buzz Mills]

Yes, it is a Federal Court for the Vick trial if he doesn't accept the plea. Sorry for the misstatement.

The law that was recently voted on by the house members was a Federal Law and the House Reps from each state voted. Our House of Rep member, David Davis, voted against the Federal Law affecting the transporting of animals across state lines for the purpose of fighting. I get so angry ever time I think of that man I can't think straight. :behindbar

Here are Dave Davis's Office staff. Let them know.

[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected]

http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html

 

[BOESP]

Here are Dave Davis's Office staff. Let them know.

[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected]

http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html

Buzzm, thanks for that great link. I wasn't aware of outsourcecongress.org. They sure make it convenient to e-mail the whole shebang ... much easier than the .gov site!

 

[bob johnson]

LOL @"Unlike Slick Vick, our manufacturer is so sure of its durability they guarantee it against the most aggressive dog destruction. It Bends. It Bounces. It Flies. It Floats. And best of all, it lasts through the whole season and more!"

IMO Vick is a bad human being

 

[bob johnson]

LOL @"Unlike Slick Vick, our manufacturer is so sure of its durability they guarantee it against the most aggressive dog destruction. It Bends. It Bounces. It Flies. It Floats. And best of all, it lasts through the whole season and more!"

IMO Vick is a very bad human being..................:blowkiss: http://websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/chx.gif

 

[Lurker]

Ya gotta love this!

Vick jerseys used to clean kennels

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13918614/detail.html

 

[Buzz Mills]

Falcons owner Blank shocked by latest developments in Vick case

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) -- Falcons owner Arthur Blank accused Michael Vick of lying to him and the NFL after one of the NFL star's co-defendants said Friday that the quarterback took part in drowning and hanging dogs that didn't perform well. "What's suggested in those statements of fact don't match up with what the league was told, even our organization and certainly not what was said to the commissioner," Blank told The Associated Press before Atlanta's preseason game against Buffalo.

Blank's response came after two co-defendants in the federal dogfighting conspiracy case pleaded guilty earlier Friday, with one saying Vick helped in killing dogs. "It's sad that those allegations exist and now they are confirmed by others," Blank said. "It's sad that Michael has put himself into that kind of situation. It's his responsibility for putting himself into that situation." Blank said he will speak with commissioner Roger Goodell, and wait for the NFL to complete its investigation.

Vick's career is in jeopardy and he has been barred from joining the Falcons until the NFL completes its own investigation.

Blank told ESPN earlier that he expected Vick to submit his plea deal before the end of the day. Blank would not repeat that statement in the interview with The Associated Press, except to say, "It seems a pretty clear indication there will be some sort of plea entered. When? I'm not positive." Blank did say he was aware that negotiations were still taking place at 5 p.m.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vick-blank&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Interesting link Buzz. I honestly don't see how the NFL will ever again be able to associate with Vick. It upsets me greatly to have seen a huge African American fan group stand outside the courthouse applauding him. Why?????? There are SOOOOO many above-board African American sports heros that they could be looking up to. Why is it so important to stand behind the law breakers?

 

[Buzz Mills]

Interesting link Buzz. I honestly don't see how the NFL will ever again be able to associate with Vick. It upsets me greatly to have seen a huge African American fan group stand outside the courthouse applauding him. Why?????? There are SOOOOO many above-board African American sports heros that they could be looking up to. Why is it so important to stand behind the law breakers?

Jeana, the blacks, who are supporting Vick, are attempting to make this a racial isssue. They need to understand that when it comes to any individual being involved in such a hideous pastime, race is not the issue. The issue is the ignominious deed itself, and black, white, yellow, red, or green, anyone involved should be despised, regardless of their race.

I think Michael Vick is history when it comes to the NFL. I don't expect him to ever play again.

 

[BOESP]

Interesting link Buzz. I honestly don't see how the NFL will ever again be able to associate with Vick. It upsets me greatly to have seen a huge African American fan group stand outside the courthouse applauding him. Why?????? There are SOOOOO many above-board African American sports heros that they could be looking up to. Why is it so important to stand behind the law breakers?

Jeana, I certainly stand with you on your above statement. Also, to me, it isn't just that Vick is a law breaker. What kind of human being subjects other living creatures to the abuse of dog fighting and show such disregard for life. It is a sorry state of affairs that anyone supports barbarian behavior let alone the fact that by his actions Vick also appears to be a blatant, self-serving liar.

 

[cinsbythesea]

Jeana, the blacks, who are supporting Vick, are attempting to make this a racial isssue. They need to understand that when it comes to any individual being involved in such a hideous pastime, race is not the issue. The issue is the ignominious deed itself, and black, white, yellow, red, or green, anyone involved should be despised, regardless of their race.

I think Michael Vick is history when it comes to the NFL. I don't expect him to ever play again.

They have a poll going at the MSNBC website - and the vast majority of the people voting agree with you. I'll see if I can find a link and post it...