VA - Nicole Lovell, 13, Blacksburg, 27 January 2016 #3 *Arrests*

[TsulaNC]

Regarding the statement about this being reported by the teenage girl...
Normally I too would think there was CYA. However, based on other knowledge and the fact that the transcripts from the jan 28t discussion had with same said teenager where this was not reiterated.... I'm left thinking - it is not correct.
And this is just my opinion. ��

I agree with you. They interviewed her and she didn't mention it. I truly think this officer, her teachers, friends, neighbors, relatives, and everyone who knew her probably feel some justified or misplaced guilt about this girl and how she had this secret under everyone's nose. In hindsight everyone is trying to think of what they COULD have done to save her. I just don't believe this is CYA. Jmo


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[Ontario Mom]

Regarding the statement about this being reported by the teenage girl...
Normally I too would think there was CYA. However, based on other knowledge and the fact that the transcripts from the jan 28t discussion had with same said teenager where this was not reiterated.... I'm left thinking - it is not correct.
And this is just my opinion. ��

According to the chief's statement there on FB, she was interviewed by investigators on the 28th and gave no info regarding recent contact or conversations with Nicole. Most teenage girls at this point would have said something to the affect of "SEE!! I knew I was right, I told officer Haynie about this guy and I was worried about Nicole" etc., so forth and so on. According to investigators that interviewed her, she said nothing.

That's a whole lot of CYA, if that's what's really going on. The school resource officer, the Chief, the investigators, Lt. Albert, BPD spokesman... seems a little far-fetched to me.

 

[trixandhoney]

NK sought out counseling from the university counseling center. However, prozac and anti-anxiety drugs would have to have been prescribed by a Psychiatrist, a psychiatrist is a medical doctor (M.D.) with a medical degree from a medical school. Therapists' and psychologists' cannot and do not have the power to prescribe prescription drugs because they are not medical doctors. So, it sounds like she was being treated by two professionals through the counseling center, a therapist and a psychiatrist.

According to previous information, she had also received previous counseling, therapy, and perhaps medication for mental health issues and cutting behavior which surfaced in the 8th grade, when she was about the same age as their victim, Nicole.

It sounds like you know NK as you say that everyone who knows her is apparently shocked that she did this.

I'm not sure I understand your post. I was referring to her counselor, who may or may not be scrutinized by the defense or prosecution for failing to see signs of homicidal tendencies in NK. I am aware that an MD or NP would need write the Rx for meds, but that had nothing to do with my post. In most colleges, counseling centers are avenues for mental health grad students to gain experience, consequently allowing other students with mental health needs to get free services.

 

[Safeguard]

According to the chief's statement there on FB, she was interviewed by investigators on the 28th and gave no info regarding recent contact or conversations with Nicole. Most teenage girls at this point would have said something to the affect of "SEE!! I knew I was right, I told officer Haynie about this guy and I was worried about Nicole" etc., so forth and so on. According to investigators that interviewed her, she said nothing.

That's a whole lot of CYA, if that's what's really going on. The school resource officer, the Chief, the investigators, Lt. Albert, BPD spokesman... seems a little far-fetched to me.

"SEE! I knew I was right!" ?

Maybe she was just plain shocked over the reason the cops were questioning her, and just answered the questioned she was asked. Thinking it over later she might have said to someone, " you know, I did mention this at school... jmo

 

[PrivateEye006]

According to the chief's statement there on FB, she was interviewed by investigators on the 28th and gave no info regarding recent contact or conversations with Nicole. Most teenage girls at this point would have said something to the affect of "SEE!! I knew I was right, I told officer Haynie about this guy and I was worried about Nicole" etc., so forth and so on. According to investigators that interviewed her, she said nothing.

That's a whole lot of CYA, if that's what's really going on. The school resource officer, the Chief, the investigators, Lt. Albert, BPD spokesman... seems a little far-fetched to me.

Hmm, maybe I miscommunicated. Thought that is what I was saying. ��

 

[jenves]

I think along the way info has gotten blurred, and I feel this is an important detail. What source states she just started Prozac? Someone who has a history of cutting would have a history of pharmaceutical intervention. So, help me find which is true...new to anti-depressants or long term user? I understood it as long term use.

I think the confusion may be the counseling. I don't think prior to college she was in active counseling, but felt the need to restart counseling with the added stress of college ( or murderous feelings idk).

So meds were not new but counseling in college was new.

 

[AmyPond]

To all the people asking why the site should be held responsible.

Jmo. When you start a site; You are responsible for that site. So if any illegal activities are going down on your site. Then you are responsible since it's your site to monitor and ban whomever or contact the authorities. Jmo.

So please stop asking why the site should be held responsible for grown men or older teens that are trying to hook up with 13 year olds that look 10 years old.

Anytime that you make a site. You must promise that it will not be used nor allow illegal activities. So if you don't monitor your site via yourself or staff. Then your site can be sued in the long run. Jmo.

Certain powers granted require tremendous accountability. Jmo.

Are you talking about Facebook? Or what site, in particular, in regards to this case?

 

[QueenBea13]

Not downing Nicole but could the friend have said something & the RSO just blew it off cuz they already knew how she acted? Not that it makes it right IF it was blown off, kinda like maybe they thought it was just an attention seeking kinda thing? Idk just thinking out loud.


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.

 

[BlueberryBird]

I'm reeling from how surreal this seems to me.

The Christiansburg Walmart on a Friday around 1am generally has a small but steady stream of students buying snacks, DVDs, beer, sweatshirts...and then these two buying a shovel to bury a body.

if NK was "much healthier" recently, what the hell did she do when she was unhealthy? The mind boggles.

 

[Ontario Mom]

"SEE! I knew I was right!" ?

Maybe she was just plain shocked over the reason the cops were questioning her, and just answered the questioned she was asked. Thinking it over later she might have said to someone, " you know, I did mention this at school... jmo

Well, I have no idea what questions she was asked but I assume they would have been along the lines of "do you know if she was dating anyone?" or along the lines of her social life - boys, parties, whatever. If she was "deeply worried" and "really scared" just weeks before Nicole disappeared (as the article states) and here were police investigators asking her questions about Nicole's social life - or even ONLINE activities (since they apparently launched into her SM right away) it's really really hard to believe she (Nicole's friend) would have only thought about it later and went "oh yeah, I was really scared & worried for her a few weeks ago, maybe I should have told them that?"

Based on what I've read about this, I think this little girl made it up. I don't know why, unless she felt like she WISHED she would have said something and stated that and someone ran with it? I don't know.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Hmm, maybe I miscommunicated. Thought that is what I was saying. ��

It was, I was just adding my own thoughts to it based on how I know teenage girls react (in general).

 

[cujenn81]

Does anyone know if they've found the murder weapon? It was stated on Nancy Grace tonight that its been recovered/located but, well... it's tough to trust NG if she's the only source and I don't remember hearing about that anywhere else. Also, IF it was recovered and they found it in the pond, it's unlikely to contain physical evidence after being submerged in water, correct?

Another thing that really bothers me is that NK still had NL's minions blanket. Why wouldn't she dispose of it when they disposed of the body, or the weapon... unless they wanted to keep it as a trophy? And if it IS a trophy, what does that say about this crime? ...that it was recovered from NK's room rather than DE's? And why would SHE keep a trophy if she didn't participate in the actual murder? It just doesn't make much sense to me. The fact that it wasn't discarded really leads me to believe the motive here was "for the thrill" rather than a fear about NL exposing her relationship with DE.

And how did they manage to make so many critical errors (but thank God they did) if they'd been planning it out for a month? They obviously considered how it might looking buying a shovel and cleaning supplies at the same time, so they made the purchases at two different stores. But they didn't consider using burner phones or at least make an attempt to erase the clearly obvious digital trail? They didn't discuss setting up an alibi or what their stories might be if they are questioned by police? It's baffling.

Don't mind me... I'm just spitballing here.

 

[Historydetective63]

I agree, her counselor(s) at the college's counseling center will probably be scrutinized, and I agree with you that counselors only know what their clients tell them. In this case, I'm sure that NK most likely did not mention that she and another student were plotting and planning out the abduction and murder of a 13 yr old local girl, and there would have been no way for her counselor/therapist or psychiatrist to have known beforehand, unless NK expressed thoughts and desires about killing someone.

Do you know NK? If so, what were your impressions of her?

 

[PrivateEye006]

I have a question regarding KIK-- looking for insight.
Why is KIK to blame for this?
Why are they being scrutinized?
Is KIK expected to do the job of parents?
I'm going to say this and I do not mean any disrespect at all... But I would be remiss to not be open and voice my thoughts on how blame seems to be spread to all sorts of channels when something like this happens. Social media, groups, schools, neighbors, etc. when did it become someone else's job to raise and mentor our kids? And when is it alright to disagree- especially in the event of tragedy like this.
We have seen NUMEROUS inappropriate sites, threads, discussions and comments by the very naive and confused victim. And I truly feel sadness in my heart that she was so desperately looking for fullfiment. But what confuses me-- is that she didn't appear to be starving for affection from friends or the community...: but boys/men. And before blame keeps getting thrashed on everyone else... I'm left wondering if her parents saw these signs? Vulgar posts? Cries on social for acceptance from boys/men. Did she get help?
Nobody has never not experienced some sort of bullying. Esp at that age. You have to be a Barbie doll at that point in your life for the boys to start looking. But it appears on all accounts she had friends and such. So define the bullying. Just a few pre puberty boys who act stupid? That was a quick five minute discussion with my parents. Is that ok to allow our 13 year old to not regularly attend school? Not seek help for them or provide guidance and teach them how to rise above this?
I think kids coming up now don't get the same speech most of us 30 something and over got from our parents. Coming up a lot of us were raised with the theory of "this is life, a stage, it will pass" "how can I help you get through this" " I understand your pain-- but you cannot use this as a crutch to miss school, underachieve, disregard rules and authority" etc. I see a lot of excuses as to why the mentality may have been what it was--- but I've heard nothing pertaining to what may have been done to provide the necessary guidance to move on, build and grow from it.
I hope this comes of right-- as my heart is huge. And my empathy towards others often leads me to be a push over.... But I have a hard time understanding why what appears to be lack of a solid foundation at home becomes the fault of everyone else in the community and now social media and law enforcement.

 

[Safeguard]

I agree, her counselor(s) at the college's counseling center will probably be scrutinized, and I agree with you that counselors only know what their clients tell them. In this case, I'm sure that NK most likely did not mention that she and another student were plotting and planning out the abduction and murder of a 13 yr old local girl, and there would have been no way for her counselor/therapist or psychiatrist to have known beforehand, unless NK expressed thoughts and desires about killing someone.

Do you know NK? If so, what were your impressions of her?

Her Facebook had her best friend posting, in her defence, saying she was nicest person she ever met, and she would never do something like this... and their was another girl posting similarly. When the evidence was clearer, they changed it to, IF she had done something, she must have been forced to.

 

[Historydetective63]

I'm not sure I understand your post. I was referring to her counselor, who may or may not be scrutinized by the defense or prosecution for failing to see signs of homicidal tendencies in NK. I am aware that an MD or NP would need write the Rx for meds, but that had nothing to do with my post. In most colleges, counseling centers are avenues for mental health grad students to gain experience, consequently allowing other students with mental health needs to get free services.

I agree, her counselor(s) at the college's counseling center will probably be scrutinized, and I agree with you that counselors only know what their clients tell them. In this case, I'm sure that NK most likely did not mention that she and another student were plotting and planning out the abduction and murder of a 13 yr old local girl, and there would have been no way for her counselor/therapist or psychiatrist to have known beforehand, unless NK expressed thoughts and desires about killing someone.

Do you know NK? If so, what were your impressions of her?

 

[trixandhoney]

I think along the way info has gotten blurred, and I feel this is an important detail. What source states she just started Prozac? Someone who has a history of cutting would have a history of pharmaceutical intervention. So, help me find which is true...new to anti-depressants or long term user? I understood it as long term use.

I think the confusion may be the counseling. I don't think prior to college she was in active counseling, but felt the need to restart counseling with the added stress of college ( or murderous feelings idk).

So meds were not new but counseling in college was new.

I don't think we know if meds were new, and/or if she had been on meds previously. This article states that she had received Christian counseling before attending college and that she prayed to God to "never do anything suicidal again". http://wsls.com/2016/02/04/commonwe...omething-secret-and-special-in-lovell-murder/

It also states that she sought counseling from a counselor at Cook Counseling Center at VA Tech and was prescribed meds by a psychiatrist in August of 2015.
Here, it states that the psychiatrist prescribed 40 mg of Prozac. There is no mention in either article of her being on meds prior to this.
"Additionally, Keepers went to a psychiatrist, Dr. Arbuckle, who prescribed 40mg of Prozac and anti-anxiety medication."
http://wset.com/news/local/suspect-in-13-year-olds-murder-in-court-today
The article also states that the therapist discontinued treatment in December of 2015. So I would assume she was not presenting as homicidal.

 

[PrivateEye006]

Are you talking about Facebook? Or what site, in particular, in regards to this case?

Understood. But you also have a child who assumed an alter-ego that she was 18, worked for the college... Etc.

 

[Safeguard]

I have a question regarding KIK-- looking for insight.
Why is KIK to blame for this?
Why are they being scrutinized?
Is KIK expected to do the job of parents?
I'm going to say this and I do not mean any disrespect at all... But I would be remiss to not be open and voice my thoughts on how blame seems to be spread to all sorts of channels when something like this happens. Social media, groups, schools, neighbors, etc. when did it become someone else's job to raise and mentor our kids? And when is it alright to disagree- especially in the event of tragedy like this.
We have seen NUMEROUS inappropriate sites, threads, discussions and comments by the very naive and confused victim. And I truly feel sadness in my heart that she was so desperately looking for fullfiment. But what confuses me-- is that she didn't appear to be starving for affection from friends or the community...: but boys/men. And before blame keeps getting thrashed on everyone else... I'm left wondering if her parents saw these signs? Vulgar posts? Cries on social for acceptance from boys/men. Did she get help?
Nobody has never not experienced some sort of bullying. Esp at that age. You have to be a Barbie doll at that point in your life for the boys to start looking. But it appears on all accounts she had friends and such. So define the bullying. Just a few pre puberty boys who act stupid? That was a quick five minute discussion with my parents. Is that ok to allow our 13 year old to not regularly attend school? Not seek help for them or provide guidance and teach them how to rise above this?
I think kids coming up now don't get the same speech most of us 30 something and over got from our parents. Coming up a lot of us were raised with the theory of "this is life, a stage, it will pass" "how can I help you get through this" " I understand your pain-- but you cannot use this as a crutch to miss school, underachieve, disregard rules and authority" etc. I see a lot of excuses as to why the mentality may have been what it was--- but I've heard nothing pertaining to what may have been done to provide the necessary guidance to move on, build and grow from it.
I hope this comes of right-- as my heart is huge. And my empathy towards others often leads me to be a push over.... But I have a hard time understanding why what appears to be lack of a solid foundation at home becomes the fault of everyone else in the community and now social media and law enforcement.

Yet it is people who cast these very same judgments that will aplaude the, "It Takes A Village" mentality.

 

[LaborDayRN]

You can link LE Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/BlacksburgVaPolice/posts/1156981514325955

Oh my. The mother of the young girl who was named in the article about reporting to the officer at the school has posted a comment there. She's not happy at all.