VA - Nicole Lovell, 13, Blacksburg, 27 January 2016 #5 *Arrests*

[passionflower]

I do turn my phone off every few months. I was told when I traveled it would reset where I was???

 

[DatelineFan]

I wonder if maybe Nicole did not REALLY understand how vital it was that she take the medication regularly...? Perhaps when she was younger, parents didn't fully explain (understandably). not wanting to terrify her, and they just made sure they took full responsibility for seeing that she took it always. And maybe that pattern just hung on...though I'm sure she would have gained, by 13, a better intellectual understanding of its importance, maybe it just didn't seem truly "real" to her...? Paled in the light of the "new romance" on the horizon...?

One of my parents is a medical provider. I highly, HIGHLY doubt her doctors wouldn't stress the importance of her medications. This is life or death. Who knows what her parents may have said, her doctors, though, I'm pretty sure they were clear. I would put money on that.

ETA - I realized this may sound bad against the parents. I didn't mean to sound that way. I really just meant that I'm obviously not familiar with them, so I don't know for sure what they told her. But my guess is, they loved her very much, and they likely stressed the importance, too.

I AM familiar with medical providers, and I know they would make it clear.

 

[perfectingpink]

I wonder if maybe Nicole did not REALLY understand how vital it was that she take the medication regularly...? Perhaps when she was younger, parents didn't fully explain (understandably). not wanting to terrify her, and they just made sure they took full responsibility for seeing that she took it always. And maybe that pattern just hung on...though I'm sure she would have gained, by 13, a better intellectual understanding of its importance, maybe it just didn't seem truly "real" to her...? Paled in the light of the "new romance" on the horizon...?

I know at 13, I failed to think things through and lived only for what I was doing in the moment (for the most part) and I think you are spot on that the need for her meds paled in the light of a new romance. Kid's this age do not look at the bigger picture. I once ran away from home, not for a boy but just because I could. I ran a way to another town to a friends home who lived directly across from my bio-dad. I took nothing with me and had no other plan than going to my friends house. (Lucky I had a smart mom and she drove directly to my friend's house, knocked on the door and said, "Let's go." so I did!)

 

[Bootsctr]

I do turn my phone off every few months. I was told when I traveled it would reset where I was???

Yes, it does in fact do that. You can see it when you cross a time zone literally change in front of your eyes. Maybe I should turn mine off every so often...

 

[passionflower]

I do think Nicole knew the importance of her meds. She heard docs and nurses, they probably asked her at ever visit. One of my grandsons had severe asthma as a little one and he knew how to set up his nebulizer and tell me which meds he needed at 3 years old. He even carries is puffer and pills he must take now even in his car.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes, it does in fact do that. You can see it when you cross a time zone literally change in front of your eyes. Maybe I should turn mine off every so often...

I wonder what time Nicole's phone was turned off? IIRC, it was turned off, on again, and then turned off for good.

If that is the case, I'm thinking that first "turn off" was when the perps overtook Nicole, just before the killing (so she couldn't call for help). The "turn on" would be after the killing, to check if anyone was trying to reach Nicole, such as her mom. And then they turned it off for a final time, and I am assuming they then ditched the phone. Have we heard if Nicole's phone was recovered?

JMOpinion for now.

 

[Bootsctr]

I have this and the link, but I don't know if we really determined that they had Nicole's phone or not:

Prosecutors say he planned the murder with Natalie Keepers after talking with Lovell on social media. Investigators were able to track the last messages on Lovell's phone to Eisenhauer.

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/dav...the-course-cross-country-runner-says/37845942

 

[DatelineFan]

I do think Nicole knew the importance of her meds. She heard docs and nurses, they probably asked her at ever visit. One of my grandsons had severe asthma as a little one and he knew how to set up his nebulizer and tell me which meds he needed at 3 years old. He even carries is puffer and pills he must take now even in his car.

Yes. And they will ask for a verbal confirmation that she understands what everything means.

 

[Backwoods]

I do think Nicole knew the importance of her meds. She heard docs and nurses, they probably asked her at ever visit. One of my grandsons had severe asthma as a little one and he knew how to set up his nebulizer and tell me which meds he needed at 3 years old. He even carries is puffer and pills he must take now even in his car.

I agree that, by this time, Nicole in one sense "knew" how important the meds were, whether from parents, doctors, whatever. I just think that, in her case, the "reality" of it may not have been foremost in her mind most of the time...especially since she was not personally responsible for administering her own medicine (not saying that was wrong, just that apparently that's how it was), and likely had never been without them long enough to truly experience a reversal. She was 13 and maybe felt -- or wanted to feel -- invincible.

Also...with something like asthma, a sufferer has experienced the scary symptoms ... my dad had asthma and other respiratory issues and he often said that he thought not being able to breathe is the most frightening thing in the world. I've had a more limited experience with that than he did but from what I HAVE experienced, I tend to agree. Your grandson knew even at three that he got those scary symptoms...and I bet he knew that to keep from getting them he needed one medication and, if he got them still, there was a medication to help make them stop. Bless his heart! A long life to him... and maybe his asthma will lessen with time.

I'm just trying to figure out what I think about the meds question in wondering whether Nicole planned to "run away" with DE THAT night...or do that at some point in the future, with THAT night being, in her mind, just a quick rendezvous.

 

[passionflower]

young love makes us forget all dangers. Been there myself...........all for false love, but it is so real at the time. Thank heavens we survive it, unfortunately NL was a target for preditors.

 

[Backwoods]

I wonder what time Nicole's phone was turned off? IIRC, it was turned off, on again, and then turned off for good.

If that is the case, I'm thinking that first "turn off" was when the perps overtook Nicole, just before the killing (so she couldn't call for help). The "turn on" would be after the killing, to check if anyone was trying to reach Nicole, such as her mom. And then they turned it off for a final time, and I am assuming they then ditched the phone. Have we heard if Nicole's phone was recovered?

JMOpinion for now.

I'd like to know about the times on this, too. I wonder if there is any chance that Nicole, at some point, still had her phone in her possession but began to sense something wasn't right so turned it on, maybe even started to try to call someone?

 

[Backwoods]

Not sure whether this article has been posted. Very sad and disturbing...as all is, with this case....

Slain teen's life on social media becomes cautionary tale

...In many social-media posts, Nicole projected a girl who was heartbroken, suicidal and deeply vulnerable. She posted a self-portrait to Instagram eight weeks ago, her face covered by her hand save one blue eye.

"Forget about me please I don't need no help or friends they will just stab me in the back anyway," she wrote. With another forlorn-looking self-portrait, she posted, "I want him back so bad," though it's unclear whom she is referring to....

more at: http://www.moultrieobserver.com/new...cle_3974e0c6-75de-5313-b00d-07d26e2e6df4.html

 

[passionflower]

Not sure whether this article has been posted. Very sad and disturbing...as all is, with this case....



more at: http://www.moultrieobserver.com/new...cle_3974e0c6-75de-5313-b00d-07d26e2e6df4.html

Oh no and I wonder if she was stabbed in the back literally!

 

[DatelineFan]

Thanks to everyone who posted about Dr Phil today! I was dying to know if anything major happened while I was at work. I really appreciate it!

 

[Zuri]

young love makes us forget all dangers. Been there myself...........all for false love, but it is so real at the time. Thank heavens we survive it, unfortunately NL was a target for preditors.

I think you are right. NL was at a tender age where she was aware of body and looks and seemed to have a lot of insecurities as many girls do. The last thing she would want was to appear different, especially to a guy she liked and wanted to impress.

I agree with those that think she thought she would be back sometime the next day. No doubt in my mind that she knew the importance of every medicine she took. She wanted so badly to have male attention it seems, as if that would validate her in her 13 yo mind. Heck, some women think that way their entire lives. IMO

 

[kaen]

At the end of the day, we really don't know Nicole or her killers. I think that we will probably never really know them except to know slices that are revealed.

We have thoughts and ideas about what Nicole thought, acted upon, or decided but we really don't know her. She clearly was solidly with her feet in her youth and bridging to the more adult realm. I can only imagine the myriad of things that Nicole thought and did.

 

[Zuri]

Not sure whether this article has been posted. Very sad and disturbing...as all is, with this case....



more at: http://www.moultrieobserver.com/new...cle_3974e0c6-75de-5313-b00d-07d26e2e6df4.html

Thank you for posting this article. How sad that Nicole fantasized about having someone love her and found out the brutal reality much too young that all was not real at all.

If there is to be any good from this, hopefully young girls will be more vigilant with their SM as well as their parents. It is not easy being a parent in this day and age for sure.

 

[whiskers]

I'm curious how the FBI arrived so fast. I'm happy they did, don't get me wrong. But how did they know to be on the scene so fast? I live in the region and FBI usually doesn't show up this fast for a missing child.

Also I didn't receive an Amber Alert on my phone when she disappeared. Are Amber Alerts only for children who are abducted by a loved one?

 

[kaen]

I'm curious how the FBI arrived so fast. I'm happy they did, don't get me wrong. But how did they know to be on the scene so fast? I live in the region and FBI usually doesn't show up this fast for a missing child.

Also I didn't receive an Amber Alert on my phone when she disappeared. Are Amber Alerts only for children who are abducted by a loved one?

It was probably the kidnapping and social media connection as that is FBI territory. Nicole's mom (according to the dad on Dr. Phil) knew she had been in contact with a David.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm curious how the FBI arrived so fast. I'm happy they did, don't get me wrong. But how did they know to be on the scene so fast? I live in the region and FBI usually doesn't show up this fast for a missing child.

Also I didn't receive an Amber Alert on my phone when she disappeared. Are Amber Alerts only for children who are abducted by a loved one?

Amber Alerts are for abductions by car, if I understand them correctly. It wasn't known whether or not Nicole had been abducted in a car - there was no license plate number or description of car to release.