VA - Nicole Lovell, 13, Blacksburg, 27 January 2016 #6 *Arrests*

[Inthedetails]

There was no taunting or humiliation. Nicole told friends he was "funny and nice" and she wanted to marry him and have his kids, and she wrote on her Instagram her new FB actually treated her well. Also police know exactly why he killed her. They've said "he did it because she was about to tell people about the inappropriate relationship." Not "we think he did it because...." I'm sure the texts and messages tell the whole story. From Day 1 when he first made contact with her online. You address an interesting point tho that he really was not smart in trying to hide any of this, but they say when people are desperate they make mistakes. Maybe he thought he planned it out well, maybe he used a private server which the FBI was able to crack, but which he thought would conceal his online activity. I can think of one off hand which a stupid person might think would protect them. But this assumption would be dead wrong.:shame:

I respectfully disagree that there was no taunting and humiliation. NICOLE might have thought she was in an online/IRL fun and mutual relationship, but the relationship was not sincere on DE's part. That alone is taunting her and humiliating her. I can envision the two perps laughing at whatever NK posted. But even if they didn't laugh, DE and NK certainly planned to murder the child and used SM to make it happen. To me, planning a murder is taunting and humiliating, even when Nicole thought she was going on a "date." The child was used, pure and simple, and being used is humiliating, even if Nicole didn't recognize it.

As I've said, I currently do not believe they killed Nicole to silence her. But if evidence shows that to be true, of course I will change my mind.

For the time being, I think DE and NK got their kicks from planning a thrill kill.

JMOpinion at the moment.

 

[Nationals]

What makes you think it was just opened? There's a dr_tombstone Twitch account for gamers that was opened long ago. We know DE is a gamer and that Dr_Tombstone is a video game character. And if this is Eisenhauer's he's into games involving "intense violence and sex and blood." I posted the link here Saturday.

 

[Inthedetails]

They did plan on killing her that night and Nk has already confessed to that. They also bought the shovel that night prior to killing her. I also believe that NK was already in the car when she was killed. There are varying reports out. Some say she saw him do it, others that she was there but didn't see him do it. I believe police know exactly who did this, when and why. Also, if it was a thrill kill they wouldn't have chosen a freezing cold night right after a huge snowstorm. They were anxious to get this done and over, imo.

Why would a freezing cold night after a snowstorm prevent a thrill kill? I'm not following that logic.

 

[Nationals]

I respectfully disagree that there was no taunting and humiliation. NICOLE might have thought she was in an online/IRL fun and mutual relationship, but the relationship was not sincere on DE's part. That alone is taunting her and humiliating her. I can envision the two perps laughing at whatever NK posted. But even if they didn't laugh, DE and NK certainly planned to murder the child and used SM to make it happen. To me, planning a murder is taunting and humiliating, even when Nicole thought she was going on a "date." The child was used, pure and simple, and being used is humiliating, even if Nicole didn't recognize it.

As I've said, I currently do not believe they killed Nicole to silence her. But if evidence shows that to be true, of course I will change my mind.

For the time being, I think DE and NK got their kicks from planning a thrill kill.

JMOpinion at the moment.

I see your point on first paragraph and how that can be seen as taunting if in fact they were laughing at her, but I still think he had way too much to lose to do this as a thrill kill. He was doing well in school and had only been there 2 months or less before meeting NL. I think he did it in an attempt to save his own skin, so to speak. NK on the other hand, I believe went along with DE because she wanted him for herself and that was more important to her than school or anything else.

 

[JanetElaine]

I respectfully disagree that there was no taunting and humiliation. NICOLE might have thought she was in an online/IRL fun and mutual relationship, but the relationship was not sincere on DE's part. That alone is taunting her and humiliating her. I can envision the two perps laughing at whatever NK posted. But even if they didn't laugh, DE and NK certainly planned to murder the child and used SM to make it happen. To me, planning a murder is taunting and humiliating, even when Nicole thought she was going on a "date." The child was used, pure and simple, and being used is humiliating, even if Nicole didn't recognize it.

As I've said, I currently do not believe they killed Nicole to silence her. But if evidence shows that to be true, of course I will change my mind.

For the time being, I think DE and NK got their kicks from planning a thrill kill.

JMOpinion at the moment.

:goodpost: and good points too.

 

[Nationals]

Details - It seems that if someone was planning a thrill kill they'd be in no big hurry to pull it off and would at least wait u til it was more decent weather and favorable driving conditions, especially since they drove hours down past the boarder of VA and into NC.

 

[JanetElaine]

They did plan on killing her that night and Nk has already confessed to that. They also bought the shovel that night prior to killing her. I also believe that NK was already in the car when she was killed. There are varying reports out. Some say she saw him do it, others that she was there but didn't see him do it. I believe police know exactly who did this, when and why. Also, if it was a thrill kill they wouldn't have chosen a freezing cold night right after a huge snowstorm. They were anxious to get this done and over, imo.

Did she? I honestly can't remember if she confessed that they planned to murder Nicole, or if NK confessed they planned to murder Nicole that night.

 

[Nationals]

Wouldn't it be weird if one of these other guys that NL was begging to "come back to her" found out about her and DE and threatened to tell authorities if DE didn't "shut her up" or "get rid of her" or kill her, because he himself wanted her out of the picture. We don't know exactly how many of these older guys online NL actually met with in real life, although her friends and posts have hinted at several. A blackmail attempt might push DE to do it. One of the other guys may have found out thru NL herself, her posts, or just by watching her house at night and seeing DEs car there multiple times as neighbors have said. She was known to use posts about guys to "try to make other guys jealous." Maybe someone even messaged him about going to police about him if he didn't back off, like one of NLs family members, friends, or some other online "friend" of NLs. This would let him know that others were aware of his contact with Nicole.

 

[Inthedetails]

It seems that if someone was planning a thrill kill they'd be in no big hurry to pull it off and would at least wait u til it was more decent weather and favorable driving conditions, especially since they drove hours down past the boarder of VA and into NC.

So, you're saying the winter weather means it can't be a thrill kill because it's too cold and snowy for a murder for thrill? Yet, the winter weather is okay for a murder to silence her? Help me out - I don't follow you.

Whatever "kind" of murder it was, they did plan it in advance. LE seems certain the murder was planned.

 

[Nationals]

So, you're saying the winter weather means it can't be a thrill kill because it's too cold and snowy for a murder for thrill? Yet, the winter weather is okay for a murder to silence her? Help me out - I don't follow you.

Whatever "kind" of murder it was, they did plan it in advance. LE seems certain the murder was planned.

Yes, I think DE was in a hurry to get this over with. NK says they started planning it on Jan 4 -- that's the first day back after winter break. My guess is DE was stressing out over the whole Nicole thing over break and was trying to figure out what to do to shut her up. I believe he tried to break it off with her and she was begging him to take her back, based on many things from her FB and Instagram. A few days prior to her death her tone turned from crying nonstop and threatening suicide to posting smiley faces with blinking hearts for eyes. I believe this is the day DE put his plan into action, the plan he concocted with NK on Jan 4. I believe DE contacted NL and asked her to meet him for a "date" ... "Maybe we can work it out, blah blah" something to that effect. Or "I've thought it over and I miss you and I don't care about our ages." Etc.. You get the picture. Just prior to the hearts she posted a pic of a skull. She was NOT happy. Maybe threatening to kill herself and leave a note. The thought of a suicide note potentially with his name in it would definitely freak DE out.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, I think DE was in a hurry to get this over with. NK says they started planning it on Jan 4 -- that's the first day back after winter break. My guess is DE was stressing out over the whole Nicole thing over break and was trying to figure out what to do to shut her up. I believe he tried to break it off with her and she was begging him to take her back, based on many things from her FB and Instagram. A few days prior to her death her tone turned from crying nonstop and threatening suicide to posting smiley faces with blinking hearts for eyes. I believe this is the day DE put his plan into action, the plan he concocted with NK on Jan 4. I believe DE contacted NL and asked her to meet him for a "date" ... "Maybe we can work it out, blah blah" something to that effect. Or "I've thought it over and I miss you and I don't care about our ages." Etc.. You get the picture. Just prior to the hearts she posted a pic of a skull. She was NOT happy. Maybe threatening to kill herself and leave a note. The thought of a suicide note potentially with his name in it would definitely freak DE out.

Sounds very plausible. Police did say DE killed Nicole because Nicole was planning to expose the relationship. I think that provides a very plausible motive for why DE did it. Once he made that plan to kill her, he had to tell her the relationship was back on so she would agree to get out of her home at night. As for him not covering up his tracks yet still planning a murder, that doesn't surprise me. People plan various crimes yet do stupid things day in and day out (that's how they get caught). Just watched forensic files-guy bought a burner phone (supposed to be untraceable) yet use credit card to buy the phone-so police was still able to track him.

 

[IDK]

Yes, I think DE was in a hurry to get this over with. NK says they started planning it on Jan 4 -- that's the first day back after winter break. My guess is DE was stressing out over the whole Nicole thing over break and was trying to figure out what to do to shut her up. I believe he tried to break it off with her and she was begging him to take her back, based on many things from her FB and Instagram. A few days prior to her death her tone turned from crying nonstop and threatening suicide to posting smiley faces with blinking hearts for eyes. I believe this is the day DE put his plan into action, the plan he concocted with NK on Jan 4. I believe DE contacted NL and asked her to meet him for a "date" ... "Maybe we can work it out, blah blah" something to that effect. Or "I've thought it over and I miss you and I don't care about our ages." Etc.. You get the picture. Just prior to the hearts she posted a pic of a skull. She was NOT happy. Maybe threatening to kill herself and leave a note. The thought of a suicide note potentially with his name in it would definitely freak DE out.

I really like this theory. Is it possible DE and NK had difference motives? Perhaps the motive was pure expediency on DE"s part, but a thrill kill on NK's part.

 

[jjenny]

I really like this theory. Is it possible DE and NK had difference motives? Perhaps the motive was pure expediency on DE"s part, but a thrill kill on NK's part.

I think its clear that DE and NK had to have different motives. Nicole wasn't going to expose anything about NK (as NK and Nicole have never even met prior to the night of the murder). NK did tell police she was excited to be part of this plan. I am guessing she was enamored with DE and wanted to help him. And it also excited her to be a part of this secret.

 

[Inthedetails]

I really like this theory. Is it possible DE and NK had difference motives? Perhaps the motive was pure expediency on DE"s part, but a thrill kill on NK's part.

I do think NK's involvement was because of a thrill kill. I don't know about DE. I know there is the claim he was silencing Nicole to keep her from exposing their relationship, but I'm not yet entirely convinced that was his motive. His motive could've been thrill kill as well, as well as the thrill of exploiting someone vulnerable over time. Time will tell.

At first I thought NK was the "darker" of the two perps, but I'm now considering DE dark as well (as opposed to just a sexual predator....which is bad enough, of course!) But beyond the "standard" sexual predator crap, I think there is a very creepy, dark, vibe with this crime.

JMOpinion at the moment.

 

[Fireweed]

I do think NK's involvement was because of a thrill kill. I don't know about DE. I know there is the claim he was silencing Nicole to keep her from exposing their relationship, but I'm not yet entirely convinced that was his motive. His motive could've been thrill kill as well, as well as the thrill of exploiting someone vulnerable over time. Time will tell.

At first I thought NK was the "darker" of the two perps, but I'm now considering DE dark as well (as opposed to just a sexual predator....which is bad enough, of course!) But beyond the "standard" sexual predator crap, I think there is a very creepy, dark, vibe with this crime.

JMOpinion at the moment.

I agree. I mean how many times has a grown man messed around with an underage girl? Countless. And how many times has he likely known he was going to be exposed? Also countless. But the number of times he decides to murder the girl is incredibly low. It takes a lot of darkness to take another human being's life.

 

[Cryptic]

At first I thought NK was the "darker" of the two perps, but I'm now considering DE dark as well (as opposed to just a sexual predator....which is bad enough, of course!) But beyond the "standard" sexual predator crap, I think there is a very creepy, dark, vibe with this crime.

I think that you could well be right. In some, or many ways, DE does not seem to be a standard sexual predator:

- He is almost a minor himself. In addition, he is also atheletic and from an affluent background. These factors would seem to enable him to meet his sexual "needs" with say young 17,18, and 19 year old females. As a result, there seems to be less of a "need" for him to trawl for young as in minor victims, and espescially for 13 year old victims purely as a sexual predator.

- The victim does not appear to be someone who DE would be interested in purely for sexual purposes given that he had options with other young females. She had a weight difficulty, looked and acted like 13, and had not started to physically mature. Though some predators are attracted to exactly those characteristics, I dont think DE is old enough to fully develop his deviant sexual tastes in that area.

In short, I think you are right in that there were other, even darker, motives for DE's contact besides the "hit and run" standard sexual predator type motives.

 

[Cryptic]

I agree. I mean how many times has a grown man messed around with an underage girl? Countless. And how many times has he likely known he was going to be exposed? Also countless. But the number of times he decides to murder the girl is incredibly low. It takes a lot of darkness to take another human being's life.

I think you are right in that as purely a sexual predator, his willingness to kill his victim puts DE's level of darkness beyond other predators who just hit, run and try to hide.

Inthedetails, however, believes that sexual motives were not DEs only motives. I think she / he is also right. Though countless men have had sexual relations with minor girls, DE is young (19), affluent and athletic. As such, he had somewhat ready access to young 17,18,19 year old girls via dating relationships with out needing to go fully predatory. Likewise, he has only had limited time to develop and pursue deviant sexual interests.

All of this could indicate that DE wanted to harm a vulnerable person from the beginning and then went looking to establish a relationship where he could do just that.

 

[Betty P]

I think you are right in that as purely a sexual predator, his willingness to kill his victim puts DE's level of darkness beyond other predators who just hit, run and try to hide.

Inthedetails, however, believes that sexual motives were not DEs only motives. I think she / he is also right. Though countless men have had sexual relations with minor girls, DE is young (19), affluent and athletic. As such, he had somewhat ready access to young 17,18,19 year old girls via dating relationships with out needing to go fully predatory. Likewise, he has only had limited time to develop and pursue deviant sexual interests.

All of this could indicate that DE wanted to harm a vulnerable person from the beginning and then went looking to establish a relationship where he could do just that.

Looking into his background a while back, I found the private Christian school he attended for many years is actually a small school with children from pre-school thru high school attending classes in the same building. Older students are encouraged to mentor younger students. During his years growing up in WA and attending this school, it's possible he developed an unhealthy attraction to young girls. In a somewhat cloistered environment, he didn't grow up socializing much with kids outside his private school environment. Moving to Maryland halfway through high school was likely a culture shock. IMO, DE was somewhat socially and sexually immature.

According to profiles of others who commit similar crimes, he likely had a very active fantasy life related to sexual conquest. His views regarding relationships with girls/women is abnormal. Agree, most guys who have relationships with underage girls don't kill them. It had to be something he fantasized about as a substitute for normal relationships with girls/women. It was all about power over those more vulnerable and weak, someone who he considered inferior to himself.

 

[Historydetective63]

I think you are right in that as purely a sexual predator, his willingness to kill his victim puts DE's level of darkness beyond other predators who just hit, run and try to hide.

Inthedetails, however, believes that sexual motives were not DEs only motives. I think she / he is also right. Though countless men have had sexual relations with minor girls, DE is young (19), affluent and athletic. As such, he had somewhat ready access to young 17,18,19 year old girls via dating relationships with out needing to go fully predatory. Likewise, he has only had limited time to develop and pursue deviant sexual interests.

All of this could indicate that DE wanted to harm a vulnerable person from the beginning and then went looking to establish a relationship where he could do just that.

I believe DE was a very socially awkward 18 yr old boy. I also think he may have a personality disorder. Some people on websleuths have mentioned how DE seems pompous, arrogant, wooden, awkward, etc. in the interview he did a year ago regarding his running. I know he also attended a very small Christian school for about 9 years (his formative years). I think DE had very little if any, experience with dating and sexual relationships with girls.

Perhaps he was looking online for young teenage girls he could meet up with to practice his dating skills, but the relationship with Nicole evolved into something else. This is where the more sinister, evil aspects come in. He liked controlling her and toying with her. Somewhere I read that he had asked her, "what are your favorite flowers?" and she responded, "Roses". He then told her he would bring her some. He knew exactly what he was doing, telling her what he thought she would like to hear even though he had no serious interest in her as a girlfriend. That was a form of humiliation and he was enjoying it. DE then gets NK involved and together they plan on how to murder this little girl who they both perceived as inferior, worthless, stupid, etc. I think it made DE, and possibly NK also, feel both powerful and intelligent.

Someone on here mentioned that DE was a video gamer and liked games that involved a lot of violence and sexual themes. These are probably things that turned him on, excited him, and made him feel powerful.

I think DE was the mastermind behind this entire crime, and that he saw NK as someone who was needy and insecure, and therefore he could also manipulate and use/abuse to forward his own agenda.

As far as the shovel, someone on here said they bought it the day/night of the murder, but I thought I had read that after their planning at the Cook-out restaurant they then went shopping at Walmart for the shovel. I believe that happened days before the murder.

 

[BUF]

I wonder if they found NKs DNA on Nicole...or vise versa. That would be a game changer for NK.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/b...134-76c2-5e48-8687-e9c4c8aaba14.html?mode=jqm

It was filed to acquire Keepers’ DNA.