GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

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  • #521
How does a child fall into a septic tank that has a bolted lid on it, that's submerged beneath sod?.....and if that isn't impossible enough, how does a child fall into a septic tank but the lid ends up put back on? The child obviously didn't put the lid back on.

Am I the only one who thinks this is exactly as reported? That the mom took Noah to drop off the dad, came back home, went to sleep for 2.5 hours, and woke up and didn't know where he was but sadly he accidentally fell into the septic tank and drowned.

The large numbers of people who have fallen into septic tanks and drowned makes this very very believable to me.
 
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  • #523
Well the lid on the septic tank in this case did not have a 'hinge.' It was secured with bolts.

Sadly, that's not true. Some lids fall back down in place, on a "hinge".
 
  • #524
Well, I am still at the most probable scenarios that I was in the beginning. Either a neighborhood child/ someone he trusted (like Jenise or Relisha) or inside the home. He also was allowed to play alone outside without parental supervision, just like the those sweet girlies. We have entirely too many factors pointing away from an accidental dropping into his septic tank. That would take a whole bunch of strange occurrences at one time, yet again, that would make it improbable. Here's what I mean- it was reported the septic tank was under sod from someone who actually lived on the property and a reporter. It was said by the police THEy took off the lid- meaning it was on. We read an article that said they need a shovel or are bolted down. So, here is what would have to happen- the lid was uncovered by the sod, he unbolted it, the bolts were around the lid on the ground and during a search no one saw them, he would fall in without disturbing ground, having a shoe left on the outside, slide marks on the grass- nothing, the lid would have had to return to a proper place that no one "searching" for him though it looked ajar. In my brain, that is way too many things that would have to occur simultaneously for it to be true. I know it is easier for the brain to think it was an accidental fall in all on his own, but I just dont think that is the case- at all!

I couldn't agree more with all you've posted. I am at a loss as to why, given the info that was reported above, that folks here are still talking septic tank lids with hinges, that maybe Noah was curious and removed the lid himself to look inside and fell in, that it was an accident. The same points and queries keep coming up but it's already been stated by both the tenant who lives on the property, and the reporter...........that the tank lid was buried under the sod. A child can't accidentally slip into a septic tank that's lid is buried beneath the sod, then magically the lid goes back into place as well as the sod.
 
  • #525
Whether it was bolted down or not, 2 reputable sources have confirmed that the lid to the tank was buried beneath the sod. Also, if the lid was so close to the surface of the sod that a 5 yr old could step on that spot and break through the sod, the lid and fall into the tank, one would think that LE would have noticed the obvious resultant disruption to the sod when they checked the tank the first time.

Should be bolted down. Designed to be bolted down. Normally bolted down.

We have nothing that tells us at this point if that particular lid was bolted down, if so was it done correctly, was the lid intact in such a condition that it could be secured (a plastic lid is easy to break).
 
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Well, one big reason I can think of is to give law enforcement a larger radius to have to search. A child you saw 10 minutes ago, you are seeeeriously searching everything within a few blocks. 3 hours for him to roam- that leaves miles of searching. It could be to deflect further from home. Just an idea!

Covering for dad from the night before? Thinking mom might get treated better than a dad if they say this was an accident and they panicked? Just a theory.
 
  • #528
I've been following this case, but haven't chimed in until now. I don't condone taking naps when kids are awake or anything like that. Sometimes at night I would turn the clocks ahead so it would appear later just so it could be bed time and the kids were put down. I get being EXHAUSTED as a parent. If the mom is completely innocent in any wrongdoing (except for sleeping), she will live with this the rest of her life.

With that said, Noah was almost 6 years old. Not a toddler. She could have easily expected that when she told him to stay put and watch cartoons that he would. A 2 or 3 year old? No way. But I might expect a 6 year old to sit tight watching cartoons. Something seems a little off to me.
 
  • #529
I don't know what to think now!

The sheriff has backed the parents every chance he got in the past. Told people to ignore internet rumours and spoke about how co operative the family has been. He didn't mention them at all this time. That speaks volumes to me.

Also, If this was an accident where's the warning to other residents to check their septic tank covers and make sure they are safe.
 
  • #530
Also, If this was an accident where's the warning to other residents to check their septic tank covers and make sure they are safe.

That's a great point.
 
  • #531
Also, If this was an accident where's the warning to other residents to check their septic tank covers and make sure they are safe.

That's a great point.
 
  • #532
repost error
 
  • #533
If the shovel was sharp it really wouldn't be a problem I don't think. I weigh 122 pounds and I do dig up sodded grass at times and move it to other areas without any problem. I just use my leg and foot as leverage on the shovel as I push it into the ground. And we have very thick St. Augustine grass.

If someone had recently done some digging with a shovel there would have been evidence on the shovel.It would appear abnormally clean, or have fresh dirt on it.I'm sure forensics can tell the difference between a shovel that hasn't been used in months to a shovel that's been used in a few days by the consistency of the dirt on it.
 
  • #534
I have just a few things that have been on my mind.
Does anyone know how far dads work is from the house? I am confused about where that fits into the timeline.
Also I had another theory I have been a jail nurse for many years and we don't always have to tell when we have an inmate in custody, we once had a young man that had committed murder on his family and we did not put him into the system we just held him for a week or so until another county could pick him up due to the high profile of the crime at the time. I am wondering if this could be at all possible with this case? ( I am not at all assuming the parents are to blame. ) but of course I have read the "rumors" and "speculations" like everyone else.) it just leads me to believe that if it was not in fact an accident (which has not been clarified) but the police say there is not a lingering danger -- I feel like someone is in custody or at least under much supervision. Yesterday Suri Crowe released a video of her walking the property and that also had me making the assumption that the house is no longer being occupied. I feel like since this was a rental property if steps were not properly taken to secure the septic tank lid that the landlord would be liable and from his very small and caring statements made he does not seem like someone that is worried (for the time being) about a lawsuit.
I think once the official report/statement comes out this is all going to fall in place!
-- I feel like with a mother that has an infant you always have to question post-partum in the back of your mind. And the comment made yesterday about the baby was that there would not be a comment -- that spoke volumes to me.
I don't think I am on board with the other child scenario. I think it might be unusual for children to be up that early on a Sunday morning unless of course they were in church or doing some kind of other scheduled activity.
The other thing that scares me is for some reason I don't believe that this is the "first" time that this mother laid down to take a nap. Of course this is only my opinion and not based on any facts. But the tone of her statements seems "chilled" to me in the manner that she admits to leaving him unattended watching cartoons for 3+ hours and made the statement he was a very "cautious" kid... Just seems a little "off" to me.
 
  • #535
I am confused in regard to that video clip by Orlando.. he states it at the end, but in the same breath as when speaking about the funeral service. I wondered.. surely LE wouldn't make a statement at the service!! So are people thinking they're waiting for the service to end before the findings are released? If so.. that doesn't make sense, does it? Normally, if a parent kills its own child, police don't care if that parent doesn't get to lay his child to rest.. and if a parent is not suspected in this case, then why wait until after the service, why not reassure the public that the parents have been cleared *before* they endure the service with suspicious eyes glaring them down?

I remember in the case of,Susan Smith that she was in custody and not permitted to attend her boys funeral.
 
  • #536
One thing that's been bothering me. Early on we heard that Noah was seen with another child. Does anyone remember where that story came from?
 
  • #537
One thing that's been bothering me. Early on we heard that Noah was seen with another child. Does anyone remember where that story came from?

I do not have the source but I did read somewhere that was a misprint originally a reporter typed "boys" instead of "boy's" and that got turned into "with another male on foot". I believe something like WUSA (?) was the source if the mistype.
 
  • #538
Well, one big reason I can think of is to give law enforcement a larger radius to have to search. A child you saw 10 minutes ago, you are seeeeriously searching everything within a few blocks. 3 hours for him to roam- that leaves miles of searching. It could be to deflect further from home. Just an idea!

Just what I think.
 
  • #539
I read an article yesterday that had boys insteaf of boy and it looked like an extra s, a typing error. I dont think Noah was seen with another child, I doubt he was seen that morning at all. Based on the tip and the tank being the exact location, and the lid being on, the fact there is no "lingering" danger I dont think he fell in. Lingering to me says there is no danger now but to Noah there was. That being said he did appear to be happy, normal, and cared for. I think that danger was close to home but I stop short of feeling that anyone intended to hurt him. I think some event took place that was the direct result of something in the home but there was not an intent to harm him. The result ended in his death and covering it up IMO. The parents anguish is probably genuine. Poor Noah :-(
 
  • #540
I've just remembered something re people (including myself) questioning the absolute silence of Noah's parents.

Noah's parents were scheduled to make a statement on Monday afternoon, but their statement was delayed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-mother-decided-hour-sleep.html#ixzz3Vxn9jbvQ
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They were scheduled to give an interview, then it was delayed ..... and never actually happened. I wonder if that is significant?
 
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