GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

[wendybtn]

Just a note on kids wandering off... I've been following this case since the get-go. I have a 5 year old girl with sensory processing disorder and oppositional defiant disorder. She's gotten quite a few serious talks in the last several days about leaving the house or even so much as opening the door for any reason.

A few minutes ago, my husband (off for the week) went into his office to lay down. I ran upstairs (baby sleeping) to go to the bathroom and grab some work to do while she and I watched a movie. Both of us told her to stay put, where in the house we'd be, etc. Within 5 minutes, I walk out of our room to look down the stairs to her quietly unlocking the front door.

She stumbled over her excuse, but said she "didn't know where dad was" and acted like that was reason enough to directly disobey us.

Two weeks ago, she wandered off from t-ball practice in the time it took me to step out of my car (parked in clear view of the field, with me watching) - maybe 30 seconds of me not looking, and by the time the coach chased her down, she was nearly half a football field away, wandering near a lake. Excuse? "I didn't see you." Despite being told clearly before practice, "I will be right here in the car because your brother is sleeping. Stay with your team when practice is over and I will get out and call you to the car."

And our repeated "if you get lost or can't find us, find a police officer or fireman or a lady with kids and ask for help" talks clearly didn't sink in.

Point is, kids are sneaky and fast. Things really CAN happen as soon as you turn your back. And given that my 5 year old rebel can pick locks, I also wouldn't put it past one to unscrew bolts that had loosened on a tank lid.

I'm still up in the air on this one, but just wanted to point out just how fast a kid that age can get into trouble.

God bless you. My oldest (male, freshman in college) has ADHD, Aspergers, mood disorder. It is tough - sometimes these things all run on a spectrum. I know he has some sensory problems, too. It will get better, but not for another 13 years! Sometimes it seems there are so many things to deal with, you can only concentrate on 1 or 2 @ a time.

 

[maureen718]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...a-Osceola-3-Hollywood-19-March-2015-*ARRESTS*

Here is the link to the Florida case. I know someone asked hours ago, but my son getting chemo had appts. with neurosurgery and endocrinologist. Sorry it took so long.

Praying healing and healthy energy toward you son!!!

 

[cluciano63]

As far as having theories...we have no evidence to work with, so everything is a theory.
Imo, it is only LE's behavior leading to suspicion close to home for some, rather than an accident.
Jmo

 

[wendybtn]

This case is so utterly heartbreaking to me. I have a little guy in my life, my nine year old son, and he's a real cutie pie like Noah seemed to be. I have the utmost sympathy for everyone who is dealing with Noah's passing, especially his family and all of his little friends.

We have churned certain topics over and over and over again: septic tanks, sod/no sod, timelines, sleeping when kids are awake, etc. without any additional information from LE to really give us anything to go on. :deadhorse:

If we take out the possibility of the parents being involved, take out the possibility of another child being involved and take out the possibility of Noah's curiosity getting the best of him...

Could another person, an adult, have been involved? Without being a too convoluted scenario, is there a circumstance that could have occurred that Sunday morning which would have resulted in Noah ending up in the septic tank? It seems like a far-fetched idea to me (and maybe most of you, too) but it's one we could explore.

If so...I don't see that person being a passer-by. They'd have to be close enough to see Noah in his yard that morning (maybe know his habits). I'd think it would have had to have been planned and the septic tank prepped to be opened quickly so that as little time as possible was taken hiding Noah's body. Could that be done in the daylight? How very risky, IMO. How could one be sure that the mom wouldn't pop her head out the door at any minute calling for Noah? Or how could the killer be sure someone else (another neighbor or a passer-by) wouldn't see them?

I'm just thinking out loud and wanted to see if anyone else has been thinking of how viable another possible scenario could be.

I have wondered about a stranger, too. But what a chance in the daytime, opening the septic tank, having the tools, but anything is possible.

 

[bessie]

Does rumours include news people answering questions on Twitter? Like their own understanding and thoughts? I have something interesting to share but it might be considered a rumour. It's something a newscaster said on their Twitter account.

If it's "unofficial" information, or sounds like a rumor, it's best to leave it alone.

Thanks for asking.

 

[Tillicum]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...a-Osceola-3-Hollywood-19-March-2015-*ARRESTS*

Here is the link to the Florida case. I know someone asked hours ago, but my son getting chemo had appts. with neurosurgery and endocrinologist. Sorry it took so long.

You're both in my prayers :heartbeat:

 

[winterrose]

In the presser the Sheriff said at no time during the investigation did they suspect any lingering danger to the children in Pulaski. Since there's noone in custody, guess that means no stranger came and took him. They have the COD, but waiting for toxocology and tests to make the official announcement.

 

[Starry Night]

Hasn't that been going on for the last few days?

Yes it has, and I was hoping it would stop. There are sentiments on the very edge of accusations. However, I do understand the hysteria and subsequent comments. A child is gone with no apparent cause/explanation. I hope open minds and caution as well as trust in LE will still emotional thought.

 

[Starry Night]

Emotions drive many an occasion of grief towards turning despair into faith. We must be mature here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVUPURixIsk

 

[Luvrosco]

Is tomorrow little Noah's funeral?

 

[Sweetgrits]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...a-Osceola-3-Hollywood-19-March-2015-*ARRESTS*

Here is the link to the Florida case. I know someone asked hours ago, but my son getting chemo had appts. with neurosurgery and endocrinologist. Sorry it took so long.

Praying for your son and your family. ((((hugs))))

 

[Meemaw12]

http://www.wset.com/story/28674748/...vestigation-of-a-noah-thomas-case?config=H264

Autopsy Results: The Science Behind the Investigation of a Noah Thomas Case


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[Starry Night]

http://www.bowerfuneralhome.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3018511&fh_id=10940

Funeral services will be held Wednesday 11:00 a.m., April 1, 2015 at the Dublin United Methodist Church., 424 East Main Street, Dublin.

 

[krig101]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...a-Osceola-3-Hollywood-19-March-2015-*ARRESTS*

Here is the link to the Florida case. I know someone asked hours ago, but my son getting chemo had appts. with neurosurgery and endocrinologist. Sorry it took so long.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your son!

 

[FindHG]

Regional newspaper
http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/03/davis-autopsy-results-not-complete/

Thanks for the link, ANonyMs. Am catching up with your wonderful media thread.
bbm

Davis: Autopsy results not complete
by Melinda Williams, Editor, The Southwest Times, Mar 31, '15.

[...]

“initial autopsy” was conducted by the Roanoke medical examiner’s office, it “will not be complete for several weeks. Unfortunately, certain tests take a long time to complete, and the final cause of death is dependent on those results.”

[...]

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Slideshow: Candle Light Vigil At Bland County Fair Grounds
Candle Light Vigil in memory of Noah Thomas of Dublin, Va at the Bland County Fair Ground THursday March 26, 2015.
Related article: 5-year-old found dead
Bluefield Daily Telegraph

 

[Starry Night]

Thank goodness et al for WS allowing us to edit our sometimes stupid posts. WS I love you.

And I apologize for insulting posters here -I think I am the leader of the Rude-Obnoxious-Narrow-Minded Fools.
I have to learn how to be here now.

Actually I have to be tolerant and open. I love our youngstars here on WS.

 

[Paintr]

http://www.wset.com/story/28674748/...vestigation-of-a-noah-thomas-case?config=H264

Autopsy Results: The Science Behind the Investigation of a Noah Thomas Case


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I am trying to gather the probable causes of death for poor Noah...

Disease/illness/medical condition (we have heard nothing of this in this case)

Accident...(still possible considering the lack of facts about this case)

Homicide ...(also possible considering the above and , if homicide, then who is responsible?)

Suicide...(not in this case)


Undetermined ...(possible, but I think this one will be an unlikely result)


Have I missed any? :thinking:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

First a smack to the head would not cause a skull fracture. Great force must be applied for that to happen. Any reasonable person would know striking the head with great force could cause great bodily injury or death.

But that still doesn't answer my original question of who has lost a child due to an accident and then discarded them like they were trash?

By accident I mean a true accident by legal definitions? Where LE/ME would rule the death of the child an accident?

Not really, His skull is still not fully hard, It is still pliable and could be easily fractured. I just saw a case where a mom killed her child by hitting him in the head with a plastic brush.

 

[mpnola]

Not really, His skull is still not fully hard, It is still pliable and could be easily fractured. I just saw a case where a mom killed her child by hitting him in the head with a plastic brush.

That is still abuse! Just because someone doesn't "mean" to kill someone means not much, to me, when abuse was involved. I would bet most of the time abuse was severe, but they didnt expect the child to die because they have done it many times before. I can say 100%, hitting a human on the head with a brush out of punishment/ anger/ frustration is abuse. I know so because I was the Associate Director for a home serving adults with developmental disabilities. My staff hit my client on the head with a brush (no harm/ fractures were caused). Another client told me. I filed an abuse complaint. He was found guilty of abuse to an infirmed. It is abuse. Not an accident. No one's hand "accidentally" slips with a brush hard enough to fracture a skull.

 

[tiredblondy]

I've been following this case, but haven't chimed in until now. I don't condone taking naps when kids are awake or anything like that. Sometimes at night I would turn the clocks ahead so it would appear later just so it could be bed time and the kids were put down. I get being EXHAUSTED as a parent. If the mom is completely innocent in any wrongdoing (except for sleeping), she will live with this the rest of her life.

With that said, Noah was almost 6 years old. Not a toddler. She could have easily expected that when she told him to stay put and watch cartoons that he would. A 2 or 3 year old? No way. But I might expect a 6 year old to sit tight watching cartoons. Something seems a little off to me.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who would turn the clocks ahead sometimes when I was exhausted and needed to go to bed early. It worked for a little while off and on...:thinking: