GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

[Starry Night]

This day belongs to Noah Terry Thomas-Innocent Pure Beautiful Child of God.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

I apologize if this has already been discussed, this thread seems to go faster than I have time to catch up. I was just wondering, if the septic tank was under sod, then was there something there that marked where it was? I mean how would a stranger know where to find the tank if it was covered? I have never lived in a home with a septic tank, so I am just not familiar with them. Even if I had, I doubt I would know where to find it or how to open it. Just wondered who would know something like that, if it was covered and unmarked.

I do know that whomever put that sweet boy in that tank, didn't do it by accident. And either the person who did it, or someone that was told, or saw it happen had to be the "hard lead" they received.

 

[Steleheart]

I apologize if this has already been discussed, this thread seems to go faster than I have time to catch up. I was just wondering, if the septic tank was under sod, then was there something there that marked where it was? I mean how would a stranger know where to find the tank if it was covered? I have never lived in a home with a septic tank, so I am just not familiar with them. Even if I had, I doubt I would know where to find it or how to open it. Just wondered who would know something like that, if it was covered and unmarked.

I do know that whomever put that sweet boy in that tank, didn't do it by accident. And either the person who did it, or someone that was told, or saw it happen had to be the "hard lead" they received.

BBM
~ Sheesh girl join the club, LOL. My wife thinks I am crazy and I keep telling her I need to catch up.
~ I think the septic companies have a map based on lot book number for the city
~ That's a mystery. I remember helping my Father in law fix a clog. We were out in the back yard and he had a shovel, saying "I think it's here, no. maybe here, wait. Ya, dig there. I think that was the last time I had a shovel in my hand.

:cow:

 

[AnnaGrace]

I'm thinking of Noah's family, friends and all who loved and knew him, as they lay their precious little one to rest today. I can't imagine the emptiness without that litlle beautiful boy. Fly high forever with the angels little darling!

 

[AnnaGrace]

A special thanks to the mods who take care of us when we get too opinionated! Websleuths is a great place to read and stay up to date. A very kind and caring group from mods to members! Thank you!

 

[deugirtni]

I have seen this reference to 'waiting on toxicology reports' before COD will be released but I haven't once seen where police or MSM have reported that toxicology texts are being awaited. I must have missed this, could you please provide a link? TY!

Probably not. The sheriff was pretty adamant on waiting for the toxicology reports for the final autopsy to make the determination of Cause Of Death and Manner Of Death. Those usually take 7-8 weeks.

 

[AnnaGrace]

A special thanks to the mods who take care of us when we get too opinionated! Websleuths is a great place to read and stay up to date. A very kind and caring group from mods to members! Thank you!

BBM

This is directed toward no one but myself. I made a post yesterday morning that I shouldn't have. Mods took care of it for me. I apologize if it was offensive to anyone at all. I would never intentionally do that.
Frustration sometimes causes me to think out loud when I shouldn't.

 

[matou]

I noticed Noah's bicycle up against a corner in the news vid I posted earlier. It's strange because his toys are shown on the grass. He liked to ride his bike from what I could tell from photos. I can't post the video from my phone. Would he have left his bike alone for 1-3 hours? Was it locked up with a padlock? I can't tell. Jmo

 

[winterrose]

Sad day, thinking of all the family, friends, and all who have come to love that beautiful little face of Noah today.

Fly with the angels Little Buddy

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM

This is directed toward no one but myself. I made a post yesterday morning that I shouldn't have. Mods took care of it for me. I apologize if it was offensive to anyone at all. I would never intentionally do that.
Frustration sometimes causes me to think out loud when I shouldn't.

Ha.. Welcome to the club. I completely lost it last year in a case where a woman had gone missing. When she was discovered dead of a suicide, It affected me deeply and I completely lost it. I had so much invested in that case and it just took me down when I learned of her death.
I have learned since then to follow and care but not invest too much. It just tears you apart too much.

We all make mistakes and all need a reminder now and again.

 

[vasportsmom]

I'm going to bow out and wait for official word on what happened to poor Noah. It's gotten a bit antagonistic at times here, I guess, understandably. I apologize if I angered anyone. It was certainly not my intent.


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There is no need for you to go. You certainly weren't the one in the wrong in that exchange!


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[JeannaT]

I'm a big buff of old historic cemeteries, and have become very aware of how many children die early. It used to be much more common than now. I know it's popular to say well back then, it was more expected so parents didn't grieve as much, but I don't agree. The other day I saw a tombstone of a 6 year old boy, the epitaph, "here lies his mother's heart" and "baby angel, born on earth to bloom in heaven". In our current culture, we are now unused to burying children, but I think it was no less painful 200 years ago than it is now. It's just rarer.

Some are taken much sooner than others.

 

[lillygator]

still no word? wow, I was expecting an arrest by now.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In the presser the Sheriff said at no time during the investigation did they suspect any lingering danger to the children in Pulaski. Since there's noone in custody, guess that means no stranger came and took him. They have the COD, but waiting for toxocology and tests to make the official announcement.

Maybe I have just been here too long and seen/read way too many cases over the years. None of what he said means anything to me. I have heard that all before.

I could list many cases just from memory where LE has told the community they weren't in danger and it turned out the murderer was indeed someone outside of the family. The list would take up too much space though and it has been done in child cases as well as adults who were found dead. Here are two short examples: Even when Jessica Lunsford went missing LE said the community wasn't in danger and behind the scenes Mark Lunsford said they were falsely accusing him and his family of being involved and we all know how that turned out. When the Hufsted (sp?) parents were murdered the same thing was said by LE making the community believe both were murdered by someone they knew but that was not the case either. The murderer/home invader was a total stranger to the family. And it has been repeated by many law enforcement agencies over the years but when the real suspect was finally caught it was shown there was no family link to the victim or the perp. So saying this doesn't mean much to me since I have seen it said by countless of LE across the country and it turned out to be wrong time and time again.

But I don't think the community is in danger of this being repeated even if it had been done by a complete stranger.

Why LE does this I truly cant say but often I think they do it in order to calm the hysteria and tragically at times they too can have tunnel vision and are looking more at family members rather than keeping all options open especially if the victim is a child. And they also know that whoever did this (IF it was a crime) isn't going to come back in that neighborhood and strike again with all the police presence there and everyone knowing about Noah's death and being on heightened alert. So knowing all of that they can say whatever they want to in the media to calm the situation. In fact I don't think I can remember any case where the perp struck twice in the very same neighborhood where a child was involved even when the perp was a stranger. The only ones who may strike in generally the same area are serial killers. Even Joe Duncan spread out going from state to state when he was kidnapping and murdering little children.

He simply could be saying this if the ME said that Noah's death seems to point to a drowning but they could be looking for a second causation to see if he fell in on his own or he was drugged and then put in the tank alive. They may see he has no defensive wounds on his body which may make them feel he was put in there while drugged. Now that is total speculation on my part though.

 

[ANonyMs]

I have seen this reference to 'waiting on toxicology reports' before COD will be released but I haven't once seen where police or MSM have reported that toxicology texts are being awaited. I must have missed this, could you please provide a link? TY!

Sherrif Davis did not specify toxicology but did say they are waiting on tests before the autopsy is complete.

http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/03/davis-autopsy-results-not-complete/

Actual Press Release
http://pcpatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Davis-statement.jpg

 

[Shelby1]

Cameron Austin @CameronOAustin · 21m21 minutes ago

In Dublin as the community remembers little #NoahThomas today. People already showing up for funeral at 11.

 

[lillybell]

I'm going to bow out and wait for official word on what happened to poor Noah. It's gotten a bit antagonistic at times here, I guess, understandably. I apologize if I angered anyone. It was certainly not my intent.


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Hey Courtney, hope you stick around. I have enjoyed your posts and am grateful for all you have contributed in this case.
Hope you continue through this with us x

 

[kaen]

I'm going to bow out and wait for official word on what happened to poor Noah. It's gotten a bit antagonistic at times here, I guess, understandably. I apologize if I angered anyone. It was certainly not my intent.


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I hope you continue to contribute. Each of us has a perspective and your is important to the discussion. Your intentions have seemed above board to me.

 

[ANonyMs]

Duplicate post! :gaah:

 

[ANonyMs]

I noticed Noah's bicycle up against a corner in the news vid I posted earlier. It's strange because his toys are shown on the grass. He liked to ride his bike from what I could tell from photos. I can't post the video from my phone. Would he have left his bike alone for 1-3 hours? Was it locked up with a padlock? I can't tell. Jmo

This reply is not aimed specifically at you, so please do not be offended. I am just using your post as an example of many others (hope that is ok!)

I think it may be difficult for people who have never lived in a small town, never lived in a rural area, or never lived near or among lower income families (or been lower income themselves) to understand some of the specific things seen and heard and read in this investigation.

Dublin is a town of (as of 2013) 2,493 people. There are a couple of hundred US high schools with more students than that. The housing development I live in that borders a rural area has more than 1400 homes in it alone. Dublin is a *small town*. Pulaski County crime statistics show their crime rates to be the low end of average.

The house Noah lived in was a mobile home. It sat behind another house, off the main road, down the hill. While that road is pretty well traveled according to news articles (it is a popular short cut for locals between two other major road ways), it is local traffic. People who live in that community mainly.

There are lots of people who let their kids play in the yard. They leave their toys laying out. They don't lock bikes up. Whether they can't be bothered, don't think it is necessary, or just never thought about it - for whatever reason, having stuff laying out in your yard is not uncommon in many rural/residential areas.

This is not meant to disparage anyone who lives near Noah's family (or any other rural community!) but look at the news footage. Cruise some of the video links and image galleries. There is a lot of "stuff" sitting out and around the home (and the neighbors). It is just how many people live.

The home he lived in had no carport or garage. It looks like there was at least one shed on the property but we don't know if it was theirs or belonged to the white house in front. But where else would he store his toys? Lock his bike up?

The home he lived in is an older model mobile home. I read a comment somewhere that said, "I wouldn't go for a nap upstairs while my kid played in the living room." There is no upstairs. There isn't much room to the home at all and probably very little soundproofing. Each person can form their own opinions from this, but when you live in a mobile home, you don't really have room to distance yourself from anyone else in the home. You can pretty much hear what is going on anywhere else in the home.

It was mentioned on Nancy Grace (please, seriously, forgive me referencing Nancy Grace!!!) that Noah's mother worked "late" or worked nights. That is why she was so tired during the day. They must have only one working vehicle, that's why they had to get up, go drop his father at work and come home. It appears that this family was working hard to make ends meet. It is really difficult to fathom when you have never been in that position. It easy to dismiss another adult's poor judgments when you have never been forced to make the same decision yourself. There are a lot of people in the U.S. who barely scrape by, paycheck to paycheck. They have kids, too.

Chronic sleep deprivation and daytime somolence is a significant factor in major industrial accidents & a common cause of vehicle accidents. It leads to anxiety, depression, brain fog, forgetfulness, and health problems. At some point, our bodies DO just shut down.

But when there is rent to pay and bills are due and the kids need to be fed, many parents do what they feel they have to do. Many parents work opposing shifts from each other to save on childcare costs. If you are working a low paying, hourly job, child care costs can easily eat up or even exceed your paycheck.

I am not necessarily defending Ashley White. But it seems to me, based on a number of questions and comments, that many people don't really understand the kind of stress factors that lower income families face. Nor do many people have a grasp on what the lifestyle is like in rural, small towns in America.

Take it as you will and draw your own opinions from it. This is just my contribution to helping people better understand potential circumstances in the case.