GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

[Beesknees]

What about this scenario: mom sleeps and Noah leaves house. When she wakes and looks for him "she" sees the tank with the lid off she looks in and does not see Noah so she puts the top on because she is still looking for him and doesn't want him to fall in. Search goes on for days and because of all the stress she finally remembers that she put the lid on and "she" calls the police and tells them what she did. Police look and find Noah. LE now wait for tox report to see if her story matches or if he was drugged etc.

If the mom saw the tank opened she would look at the inside. But, as it was filled with waste she would want it emptied to be sure he wasn't there inside. This in case she found it opened.

 

[SStarr33]

What about this scenario: mom sleeps and Noah leaves house. When she wakes and looks for him "she" sees the tank with the lid off she looks in and does not see Noah so she puts the top on because she is still looking for him and doesn't want him to fall in. Search goes on for days and because of all the stress she finally remembers that she put the lid on and "she" calls the police and tells them what she did. Police look and find Noah. LE now wait for tox report to see if her story matches or if he was drugged etc.

Sounds reasonable although I wonder if they had some issues with their system working and that is how they figured it out?

 

[Luvrosco]

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What about this scenario: mom sleeps and Noah leaves house. When she wakes and looks for him "she" sees the tank with the lid off she looks in and does not see Noah so she puts the top on because she is still looking for him and doesn't want him to fall in. Search goes on for days and because of all the stress she finally remembers that she put the lid on and "she" calls the police and tells them what she did. Police look and find Noah. LE now wait for tox report to see if her story matches or if he was drugged etc.

You know I think it's possible.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't disagree with your line of thinking but I wonder if both parents were licensed drivers.


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We have no way to prove it either way, but I personally see no reason to suspect the dad did not have a valid DL. I do think having a single car (maybe one was not running at the time) was the cause of mom and kids taking him to work and is a logical conclusion. However, it is just my opinion n all.

 

[Tillicum]

What about this scenario: mom sleeps and Noah leaves house. When she wakes and looks for him "she" sees the tank with the lid off she looks in and does not see Noah so she puts the top on because she is still looking for him and doesn't want him to fall in. Search goes on for days and because of all the stress she finally remembers that she put the lid on and "she" calls the police and tells them what she did. Police look and find Noah. LE now wait for tox report to see if her story matches or if he was drugged etc.

Possible but IMO unless it was common to find the lid off, I definitely would've mentioned it immediately when LE got there. If it was common for the lid to be off, then I probably still would've told LE immediately. First responders ask questions that should've brought that out on day one. Anything look different? Anything unusual? Anything out of place?

 

[Paintr]

http://www.wjhl.com/story/28695078/community-pays-respect-at-5-year-old-noah-thomas-funeral

The community, as well as the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office, arrived at Dublin United Methodist Church Wednesday morning to mourn and pay respect for 5-year-old Noah Terry Thomas.Funeral services were scheduled at 11:00 a.m. Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at the Dublin United Methodist Church.

 

[cluciano63]

I think the question about the parents was asked to try to determine if either had been arrested.
I have not seen horrible things posted here...on FB it is a given.
Speculation about the parents is unavoidable in how this case has been handled by LE, Imo. Either the parents or a young child being to blame are the only conclusions I can draw at this point. I have never heard of LE refusing to say if a death was an accident, if they knew that it was.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My son and DIL arranged their schedules so one of the parents were with the kids while the other worked (until kids started school). He worked days, she worked evenings, nights. My DIL did nap during the day when kids were napping, one in crib, the other by her side on sectional and doors locked. But my DIL is overly cautious, they married after the kids were born and she wanted to take separate planes on the honeymoon because to her thinking, if the plane crashed the kids would still have one of their parents :facepalm:

I'm not going to make any judgement of Noah's parents until we have more information. I'm glad that they were at his service today, for Noah's sake.

OT/ Actually, your DIL isn't the only one who prefers to take separate flights when children are involved. I used to work for a high profile political campaign and was never allowed to schedule flights for the wife and the candidate together. It gave their children an extra level of security for a bit of inconvenience and cost. You have a thoughtful DIL who puts her children first. Lucky kids.

 

[winterrose]

TOS state the the parents are victims until LE says otherwise.

ETA: Someone is going to come along very quickly and point out the irony of me being the one to answer that, lol.

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LOL Even more so if I had posted what you just said. ;D

 

[busymomof4]

Not everyone is straying. Any scenario of something unfortunate happened should lead to the authorities being summoned. We all watch Law & Order, and like someone said earlier in the thread, if you hide a body, you've got something to hide. What we're all waiting for is the final announcement that tells us whether he fell in that tank or someone put him in that tank. THEN we can talk about who to blame, and for what. There's nothing "unfortunate' about hiding a body.

by "unfortunate" I meant his death. Not hiding his body. I used incorrect wording there, I guess. The whole situation is just so sad to me.

 

[winterrose]

I stopped following cases on FB a long time ago because it was filled with horrible nasty commenters about every case.

But who in the world would believe Noah's parents wouldn't attend his funeral? Where did that notion come from and based on what since you say you have read it, SStarr? TIA

That never crossed my mind ............not even once this entire time. I felt 100% sure they would both be there.

IMO

I wondered if they would go this morning being the nature of fb comments, even by some fb friends on their pages, and I thought this was why the funeral itself was private. I'm glad they were able to go this morning, if they hadn't, it would have looked worse on social media. I think now that the funeral will be over today the Sheriff might release more information. I've thought he was holding off information till after today. I could be wrong, I just hope we don't have to wait weeks to find out more.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Every LE department is different. I don't recall watching this Sheriff in action before, but he appears to be one of those "by the book" types. He isn't going to say anything to come back and make him look bad after his department missed finding Noah for 5 days just feet from his front door. He has that cross to bear already and he is going to make sure the rest of this investigation goes his way without any more mistakes. I can understand his reluctance to issue a COD and MOD without all the tests being performed to close out this case. How would it look if indeed the toxicology reported finding a drug in Noah's system after he said it was an accidental drowning? He is covering his backside ten ways from Sunday.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Agree OBE. I need to follow your lead and not look at FB--people are so cruel. And as far as what was said, use your imagination and then take it 10 times worse. Makes me lose my faith in humanity.

I guess I just don't understand why anyone wants to jump to conclusions immediately. There is plenty of time for ridicule once the evidence shows who is guilty or if this was just a freak accident.

Personally I would rather wait to come to any conclusion until guilt is affirmed by LE.

This only applies to my own thought process and everyone else is entitled to their own held opinions here as long as it doesn't violate TOS. I just don't want to be the one that has said mean spirited things about a parent or parents before the truth is known. If either one of them are guilty I will be madder than hell and believe me I will have a lot of negative things to say if they did this.

I have seen the hurt and pain it has caused other parents who weren't guilty of anything in the end.

I really don't know what happened to precious Noah. But I feel I should support them in case they turnout to be innocent. If they are or even one of them is innocent then I just feel it is better to be supportive to the parents that Noah loved. Everyone has said that he was a happy little boy and just by looking at the photos he seemed to have been taken care of well. I know you really cant judge by photos but many of them were cute snapshots of him.

I truly pray they had nothing to do with his death. Its hard enough to even think of it happening accidentally if it did.

As an aside:

The reporter said she saw a patch of sod where the tank is. I have been thinking even if the lid was buried underneath the earth....if the round plastic lid cover had cracked or become brittle he could still fall through it. There is only about a foot of dirt between the top of the ground and the tank and that wouldn't be enough to hold up his weight.

It will all depend on how LE found the plastic lid and the condition it was in at the time.

Even though drowning in a septic tank is a horrible way to die I would much rather it have been an accident rather than someone intentionally hurting such a sweet little boy. I guess that is why I grasp on to hope.

IMO

 

[SStarr33]

I don't disagree with your line of thinking but I wonder if both parents were licensed drivers.


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Why does that matter?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I wondered if they would go this morning being the nature of fb comments, even by some fb friends on their pages, and I thought this was why the funeral itself was private. I'm glad they were able to go this morning, if they hadn't, it would have looked worse on social media. I think now that the funeral will be over today the Sheriff might release more information. I've thought he was holding off information till after today. I could be wrong, I just hope we don't have to wait weeks to find out more.

I wouldn't hold my breath on info from the Sheriff anytime soon.

Only the interment (actual burial at the cemetery) is private for the family to say their last goodbyes to Noah. I don't blame them for wanting some peace away from prying eyes and cameras while they bury their beloved son.

:rose: Rest In Peace, Noah Terry Thomas :rose:

ETA: The original information online stated the interment was to be private, but recent mention did not indicate it. The official Obituary said nothing about the interment. My information could be incorrect because the public was misinformed. For the parents' sake, I hope they did get some privacy to say their goodbyes though.

 

[SStarr33]

I guess I just don't understand why anyone wants to jump to conclusions immediately. There is plenty of time for ridicule once the evidence shows who is guilty or if this was just a freak accident.

Personally I would rather wait to come to any conclusion until guilt is affirmed by LE.

This only applies to my own thought process and everyone else is entitled to their own held opinions here as long as it doesn't violate TOS. I just don't want to be the one that has said mean spirited things about a parent or parents before the truth is known. If either one of them are guilty I will be madder than hell and believe me I will have a lot of negative things to say if they did this.

I have seen the hurt and pain it has caused other parents who weren't guilty of anything in the end.

I really don't know what happened to precious Noah. But I feel I should support them in case they turnout to be innocent. If they are or even one of them is innocent then I just feel it is better to be supportive to the parents that Noah loved. Everyone has said that he was a happy little boy and just by looking at the photos he seemed to have been taken care of well. I know you really cant judge by photos but many of them were cute snapshots of him.

I truly pray they had nothing to do with his death. Its hard enough to even think of it happening accidentally if it did.

As an aside:

The reporter said she saw a patch of sod where the tank is. I have been thinking even if the lid was buried underneath the earth....if the round plastic lid cover had cracked or become brittle he could still fall through it. There is only about a foot of dirt between the top of the ground and the tank and that wouldn't be enough to hold up his weight.

It will all depend on how LE found the plastic lid and the condition it was in at the time.

Even though drowning in a septic tank is a horrible way to die I would much rather it have been an accident rather than someone intentionally hurting such a sweet little boy. I guess that is why I grasp on to hope.

IMO

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You are a jewel OBE :loveyou:

 

[DeeMarie]

I wouldn't hold my breath on info from the Sheriff anytime soon.

Only the interment (actual burial at the cemetery) is private for the family to say their last goodbyes to Noah. I don't blame them for wanting some peace away from prying eyes and cameras while they bury their beloved son.

:rose: Rest In Peace, Noah Terry Thomas :rose:

I don't see anything in the local papers saying the parents attended the funeral.

So the burial is closed to the public and only the immediate family/mom and dad will be there?

They announced the burial place/time in the paper..

"..Interment will follow at Highland Memory Gardens in Dublin..."

http://www.wjhl.com/story/28695078/community-pays-respect-at-5-year-old-noah-thomas-funeral

 

[cluciano63]

If this was an accident...LE waiting days, weeks or longer to say so (if they know) is not really okay, Imo, especially if they are waiting to make sure they don't embarrass themselves further. If it was an accident and they know it, they need to be showing the public how it happened, what type of lid this was, how it could happen again, numbers to call if you want yours checked...etc.

Anyway, I am pretty doubtful that it was accidental, but jmo. Though LE's seemingly odd behavior (to me) could be, I suppose, due to not having drained the tank sooner and feeling humiliated. Jmo

 

[courtneyb]

I understand that posts expressing people not understanding come from a compassionate and kind place. But, I don't like those assumptions. I am sure people who live around her certainly understand. I personally understand. Until this year, I have always worked 2 jobs. My husband has always worked long hours. We have always used free wifi on old, used devices, and never had a luxury. Ae have always worried about every single cent. I went years on only a few hours of sleep (if that) and snuck away 5 minutes of sleep in the car before clocking in. My husband and I were passing in the night for years. And I'm a mother. And I know the perils and dangers of extreme sleep deprivation. And I simply don't understand her choice. I am not saying that out of judgement. I am simply saying that I cannot fathom making that choice. So, please...let's not assume every poor, overworked, sleep deprived parent are making these choices. They aren't.

I agree... my husband is a musician and he plays 6 nights a week. I get home a little after 5 pm, after working all day, he practically throws the 6 month old at me, rattles off a list of things that need to be done and that he did and leaves. He usually does not get back from his gigs until between 2-4 am, depending on how far he had to travel. He then is up by 6:45 am to get the 3 older kids ready for school and bring them to school, then he has the baby all day. Add in picking up the kids from school, shuttling kids to gymnastics, ballet, tap, softball and football, cleaning house, laundry, cooking and making lunches for the next day. He just DEALS with it. He doesn't nap while the kids are there. If he is extraordinarily exhausted, too tired to care for the kids, he lets me know, and I will take off work early or see if I can get a sitter for a few hours so he can nap.. And, no, I'm not wealthy or privileged.. we chose to have these kids and we choose to do whatever we have to do to try to ensure their safety and well being.

I don't agree with her choice, simply because I am not comfortable with making that choice myself.

I hope Noah's parents were able to say goodbye today in peace. How heart wrenching it must be, and I feel for her, whether or not I agree with her choices.

 

[winterrose]

Every LE department is different. I don't recall watching this Sheriff in action before, but he appears to be one of those "by the book" types. He isn't going to say anything to come back and make him look bad after his department missed finding Noah for 5 days just feet from his front door. He has that cross to bear already and he is going to make sure the rest of this investigation goes his way without any more mistakes. I can understand his reluctance to issue a COD and MOD without all the tests being performed to close out this case. How would it look if indeed the toxicology reported finding a drug in Noah's system after he said it was an accidental drowning? He is covering his backside ten ways from Sunday.

I feel that's so true, he doesn't appear to like the media itself, and I wonder if there's been other circumstances that arose and why he feels that way. Actually one of the fb comments that I read many times were of people suggesting he look in the septic tank. So I'm sure he'll now go more by the book.